I was mainly between 15-18x. I have shot in a lot of different conditions before, so I was really surprised that I couldn't really get a "clear" picture through the scope. I am going to take it out tomorrow and also bring my other gun with my Leupold on it and see if it is doing the same thing. If it is, I suppose I will send it back. Same boat as you.. I want to like the scope, it has good features, but if it doesn't work it is useless to me.
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Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
- Thread starter D_TROS
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I was comparing the XTR III to another scope, side by side, same conditions and all that, the sight picture through my other scope was clearly clearer above 12x than the XTR III. If you experience the same when comparing side by side with your Leupold, I would be inclined to say yours and mine are experiencing similar optical characteristics. I would also suggest you test your XTR III at 10x and see if the image is clearer as was the case with my scope, it may be that the magnification at that level was not enough to exacerbate the problem but it is what I witnessed during my testing. I was extremely impressed with the FOV and the edge sharpness/detail was very impressive up to 12x, if Burris can resolve the IQ issues above 12x they will have a serious contender for sure.
Very well put! Yeah one of the smallest things that I was excited about was the marked Allen bolts for the knob adjustment as well. The XTR2 had three of them and they weren't marked so hunting for them in non direct light was a pita.
A good test would be to look at something 100-200 yards away at high mag. If it still looks unfocused then you know you have a problem, if not it's the conditions.
Interesting. I thought those were in production.
I'm going to try one on my CZ457 for NRL22. It should be a good place to try it out.
I'm tempted as I keep following this thread, but I like my XTR II so much I keep going back to why search for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I guess I got one of the good 5-25's it's been fantastic, but I could see myself in a 4-20 smaller setup in the future. Glad to see more and more people chiming in their experiences.
I intend to write a more lengthy review, but wanted to give a quick update. I noticed that my XTR III 3.3-18x50 was losing resolution and contrast above 12x so decided to contact Burris just to see if it was out of spec. It took a few days for them to get back to me but when they did they sent me a label and my scope was off to them the next day, they looked at it the day they received it and determined it was not to quality standards and they shipped me a brand new replacement that they physically inspected to ensure it was gtg. I had the new scope the next day, granted I live in the same state as Burris so it may take a couple days longer depending on your location but highly impressed with their swiftness to resolve the issue.
Some of you may say the scope never should have shipped and I concur (so would Burris) but to be honest this is something that happens at times with early adaptation of new products. Yes, these things should be caught in QA but sometimes they don’t know what to look for. A few years ago I was an early adopter with the XTR II 4-20x50 that had frustrating optical aberrations which caused eye fatigue pretty quickly. I suffered through a year of using that scope before I sold it and wish I would have used the warranty service. Again, these issues should not occur long term and I suspect Burris may add additional quality checks to address this, but the good news is how quick Burris was to rectify the situation; there is peace of mind knowing if anything does go wrong you will be taken care of swiftly.
By the way, the new scope does appear to be much better in the 12-18x range but was dealing with severe mirage today so difficult to ascertain how much better, that will come as I spend more time behind the scope.
Some of you may say the scope never should have shipped and I concur (so would Burris) but to be honest this is something that happens at times with early adaptation of new products. Yes, these things should be caught in QA but sometimes they don’t know what to look for. A few years ago I was an early adopter with the XTR II 4-20x50 that had frustrating optical aberrations which caused eye fatigue pretty quickly. I suffered through a year of using that scope before I sold it and wish I would have used the warranty service. Again, these issues should not occur long term and I suspect Burris may add additional quality checks to address this, but the good news is how quick Burris was to rectify the situation; there is peace of mind knowing if anything does go wrong you will be taken care of swiftly.
By the way, the new scope does appear to be much better in the 12-18x range but was dealing with severe mirage today so difficult to ascertain how much better, that will come as I spend more time behind the scope.
If you will shoot me a PM with your name Khuber, I'll see what I can find out for you..
Maybe yours is just busted all to hell and they dont have the heart to tell you.
October and November are definitely a nuthouse. Hunting season for millions of hunters nationwide.
I noticed my elevation had slightly different annodization but most of the time it looks like a match, only in certain lighting did it seem "off" from the main tube, but not far enough off to bother me.
Hmmmmm. How’s that make it out the door? I have this vision in my mind that someone (or something) visually inspects the scope before it goes in the package, gets put on some type of device to check the tracking, and undergoes kind of a final “check”. Maybe the power was out that day?
It's Colorado, didn't they legalize marijuana?
QA guy probably forgot he wasn't working on the Razor assembly line.
@Birddog6424 Any idea when these might start heading north into Canada? Would be interested in seeing one. If they're as nice as people say on here, could be interesting to see where it fits in "value" wise if the CAD price falls in between the Razor gen II and Athlon Ares ETRs.
I'm afraid I really dont know the answer to that. I can kick off a text to the guy who handles international sales and try to get a response. I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
I think some speed bumps are inevitable. Brand new scope line from a new facility (Greeley instead of the Phillipines).
I dont think the management team will be very happy to see a purple colored turret left the facility. Not really something that should get overlooked. But as we saw with Bill's 18x not quite performing optically in the higher magnification ranges, there needs to be some more training with QC staff about levels of acceptability.
I'm sure the glass would have been just fine for the XTR2, but Burris is raising their game in the XTR3, and the level of quality control needs to reflect that.
Bill's one scope prompted them to tear open every XTR3 in Greeley to double check to make sure that error didnt occur again. So the commitment is there for this to be a fantastic scope line. They just need to get customer service and quality control firing on all cylinders.
And my issue I posted earlier with the scope with the wrong reticle in the box.
Definitely a lot of qc issues...
I'm not too happy about the prices dropped this fast either.
Prices have stayed steady, the poster might be referring to a DVOR special, but I have not been able to verify the price.
Just because the scope is made in the USA doesn't mean there isn't minimum waged mexicans doing the QC.
Too bad Burris is turning out products were 1 in 5,000 has a defect that gets out the shop.
Well, now they know that Freddy in QC is color blind so that hurdle has been cleared.
There hasnt been a lot of QC issues.
Rate of return has been very low, although it may not look like it from the few issues we've seen here..
Just an FYI, over 400 XTR3's produced, only one known issue with glass. A few issues with mechanical, none of them turret or tracking related. Hopefully they'll catch the cosmetic stuff going forward.
It's still on track and meeting expectations for being a pretty decent rollout.
I am no fan of Burris- actually quite the opposite. But the other day I got to use a buddies XTR3 and was surprisingly impressed. It was a nice optic and the glass was great. It did what my xtr2 could never do- and that was perform in tough conditions. I wont be buying one- but that's just because of how bad of an experience I had with customer service on my xtr2. If I hadn't dealt with them before I would be after the 3.
There is nothing worse than a bad experience with a company no matter how good their product may be. Customer Service can sometimes make it or break it for us. I have had mixed luck with Burris/Steiner products and it seems sometimes like QA/CS issues can arise. That being said, I agree with you, the XTR III is the real deal, I am finalizing my review but so far the "new" scope I've received is quite impressive for the price, dare I say the best < $2k scope I've seen to date.
Well that's not very fair when it's only 10 minutes from your house
It's about 3 hours from my house, but UPS picked up and delivered in one day in state which was unexpected!
I'm really happy with my warranty claim as far as how fast and easily it was handled.
BUT my only complaint was that it was a $1700 mix up and I never heard from a single Person, even after calling twice and putting my number in the call back queue both times.
I even emailed them after the fact as well as filled out a survey (5 stars) , saying how much I appreciated the quick remedy but would have liked to have some person to person communication, and still got nothing back.
They started at 1800 I believe, a couple places are already selling at 1400-1500.
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Do you have a link to anyone selling them for that price? I tried to find it but only found the xtr2 for that price.
Mk machining had them below 1500 with a code, i forgot who else
Are you sure about that? I bought mind from MK and Tyler did not offer me a code??? @Tyler Kemp was there a code you offered on the XTR III?
I have seen no place that is selling the XTR III under $1700, if you have links please share.
They have a 10% off code. That's still not below $1600. While i was searching the xtr2 kept popping up around the $1400 range. I don't think the prices are dropping. I believe they are close to MAP agreements at the current price.
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sooo...no actual links??
Please, post deals if you find them but near the $1500 is going to be hard to find for the first year IMO.
Regards
DT
Please, post deals if you find them but near the $1500 is going to be hard to find for the first year IMO.
Regards
DT
Post #901 was a claim for Dvor that was never verified so it would be difficult to just say "XTR III's are selling for $1399" based on an unverified price. Post #903 was for MK Machining 10% off Code (SCOPEVEMBER) which is the lowest I've seen the XTR III (that I could validate) but nowhere near the $1399 price point. The reason this is important is because we do not want to falsely deflate the value of the scopes based on hearsay. Like DT mentions above, if there is a deal that truly benefits Hide members then please post it here, but please don't post unverifiable pricing that nobody can actually get.
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