Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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Right, but specs don't always represent the whole picture. I use specs as the starting point, but field use trumps everything else
Ok, so I just compared the two again 25X, 19X, 10X, and low power. 25X was easy because the magnification ring on both scopes is engraved with a "25" but after that it gets a little iffier because they are engraved the same. The NF is engraved with "19" but I had to go just past the "20" on the XTR III, same for "10", the NF isn't labeled so I lined it up between "9" and "11".
Now all that being said, the object that I was viewing was about 1,200 yards away with an adjacent field on the left side and trees the other side. Due to my positioning I also had a power pole about 75 yards away that will come into play later.
25X: It was really too close to call between the two, what I could see in the FOV was pretty much the same.
19X: Still pretty close to call definitively.
10X: The edge goes to the XTR III as the wider FOV is becoming more noticeable, I can see a little more into the adjacent field and a good bit of the power pole in the right side of my field of view. With the NF the FOV is more narrow and I'm not seeing as much of the power pole.
Low power (5X for the NF, 5.5X for the XTRIII): Yeah the difference in FOV here is pretty stunning, the Burris is much wider compared to the NF, I'm seeing way back to the corner of the adjacent field and the whole width of the power pole and then some. In the NF, I have about half the pile of lumber that's in the back corner of the field in the left side of my FOV and can't quite see the entire width of the power pole in the right side.
In terms of edge to edge clarity both scopes are good, I didn't notice any major edge distortion or anything in either scope. Again, the eye box is a lot better on the Burris at just about every magnification compared to my ATACR but the ATACR had better IQ in my opinion, that being said the difference really wouldn't hold you back.
So there you have it. In my opinion, both have great fit and finish, perfectly functional, tracking is spot on. An edge goes to the NF for overall image quality but concedes some ground to the Burris in terms of eye box and FOV at lower magnification.
Now all that being said, the object that I was viewing was about 1,200 yards away with an adjacent field on the left side and trees the other side. Due to my positioning I also had a power pole about 75 yards away that will come into play later.
25X: It was really too close to call between the two, what I could see in the FOV was pretty much the same.
19X: Still pretty close to call definitively.
10X: The edge goes to the XTR III as the wider FOV is becoming more noticeable, I can see a little more into the adjacent field and a good bit of the power pole in the right side of my field of view. With the NF the FOV is more narrow and I'm not seeing as much of the power pole.
Low power (5X for the NF, 5.5X for the XTRIII): Yeah the difference in FOV here is pretty stunning, the Burris is much wider compared to the NF, I'm seeing way back to the corner of the adjacent field and the whole width of the power pole and then some. In the NF, I have about half the pile of lumber that's in the back corner of the field in the left side of my FOV and can't quite see the entire width of the power pole in the right side.
In terms of edge to edge clarity both scopes are good, I didn't notice any major edge distortion or anything in either scope. Again, the eye box is a lot better on the Burris at just about every magnification compared to my ATACR but the ATACR had better IQ in my opinion, that being said the difference really wouldn't hold you back.
So there you have it. In my opinion, both have great fit and finish, perfectly functional, tracking is spot on. An edge goes to the NF for overall image quality but concedes some ground to the Burris in terms of eye box and FOV at lower magnification.
Magnification rings are usually engraved wrong in the center of the adjustment range, so you have to be careful there.
The most direct way to measure FOV on tactical scopes is to use the reticle. On 25x, you can easily calculate how many mrad (or MOA if you are one of those weirdos) the FOV is. As you go down in magnification, some reticle do not extend all the way out, but at higher mags you should be able to measure quite easily.
ILya
The most direct way to measure FOV on tactical scopes is to use the reticle. On 25x, you can easily calculate how many mrad (or MOA if you are one of those weirdos) the FOV is. As you go down in magnification, some reticle do not extend all the way out, but at higher mags you should be able to measure quite easily.
ILya
Thank you for that TM, I have known that while the NF has narrow FOV at the low end it quickly picks it up throughout the mag range due to the optical design. Good to know about the edge clarity/sharpness between both and I'm actually surprised the XTR III had the better eyebox throughout. Appreciate you taking the time to do this.
I'm not a scope snob, but I have to agree, I put an XTR III on my wife's rifle and I really like it. Other than the reticle being a little thin for my eye's it's solid. I'd can't say I like it better than my ATACR but damn, it was over a thousand dollars cheaper and my wife likes it.
Carl
I put my XTRIII through the ringer at 2 matches so far this year (my first year competing!) and it's awesome. Having used it practically and under stress I have zero complaints.
Clarity is awesome, adjustments are crisp, and it tracks dead on. You can't ask for much more.
Just thought I'd chime in with an update on mine since I've had it for about 6mo now.
Clarity is awesome, adjustments are crisp, and it tracks dead on. You can't ask for much more.
Just thought I'd chime in with an update on mine since I've had it for about 6mo now.
I can get these at a Hide price option if anybody interested. It just might take a while for shipping. If this is allowed.
If you have an XTRII or used one, How does the III compare?
If you have an XTRII or used one, How does the III compare?
The XTR III is pretty much better in every way save for being non-illuminated. The XTR III has better image quality, turret feel, a better reticle option (SCR2), locking diopter adjustment, better parallax adjustment range, covered windage knob with optional replacement, Race Dial option, I could probably go on.
Thank you, Sir. I have 3 XTR II scopes. 5-25X50, 1.5-8X28, and 1-8X24. That 1-8 is LOW Jap made. I have looked and looked and tried to find a difference in glass between the two LPVOs. I can't tell a difference. I do notice a difference in graphics and turret feel. The LOW 1-8 has slightly more positive clicks and the logos are brighter/cleaner. Both of these scope are top notch though. The 1.5-8 helped my dump some TX hogs without mercy! Lol
My 5-25X50 XTR II was compared to my new Bushnell Elite Tactical HDMR II. I couldn't tell a difference in glass quality. The DMR eye box is a bit more forgiving. The biggest difference was the parallax adjuster dial. On the Bushnell, the dial is engaged at all times and smooth like a stereo dial. The XTR II is loose, picks up the adjuster, then gets loose again when dialing. You just don't recognize these little differences until you do direct comparisons.
SO, I told you all this to say I have a hard-on for this XTR III I'm seeiing so much about. I am a bit up-in-the-air about getting an XTR III or get another Bushnell HDMR II.
I used to own a XTR II and a Bushnell ERS and I would say that the two were on equal footing for the most part, just like you noted. That being said, in this day and age I'd take the XTR III over a Bushnell any day.
I think I’ll be making a purchase once the illuminated models come out. Probably don’t need it but I’d rather have it and never use it than have the opposite situation occur
Yes I had an XTRII for about a year before I upgraded to the III. As anyone with the II knows, it's a great scope all around, but the optical quality is lacking. The XTRIII sustains the robustness, tracking, and quality of the II and adds great glass, an impressive spec sheet, and even better turrets. I've compared the glass to two NF ATACR's and they were very close to the XTRIII.
It's a solid upgrade and the best scope in the price point for most needs.
The only place I can find them is shooting sports, but for $80 that seems extremely steep. Is that really what they are going for?
I bought @wjm308’s XTR3 and it’s been great. I am very impressed with it and glad I went with it over a Vortex G2 Razor 3-18. I sold a S&B US 3-20 and went to this and don’t really feel like I lost a lot besides illumination. Scopes have come a long way recently and Burris really did a good job with this one in my opinion.
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Aside from weight savings, any particular reason you prefer the XTRIII to the Razor? Just curious what your thoughts are. Thanks!
That is a sweet rig Chasing, I just bought an AI AT and it should ship tomorrow hopefully. I'm glad you're enjoying the XTR III, it is a sweet scope and looks really nice on your AI.
Lots of great scope talk here, but man, that is one sweet bandana!
A "good news and bad news" situation
The bad news being that illumination is going to be delayed some, the good news is they want to rework the design and make it even better. Any chance they might consider making the SCR2 a bit thicker in the illuminated version, I like the design of the reticle but wish it were a bit thicker.
Fantastic news on the SCR2 being thicker for the illuminated and I’m not too surprised as it’s harder to illuminate thinner reticles in these scope designs.@wjm308
As soon as I posted above, I immediately kicked off a text to a Burris sales manager that I speak to periodically.
The official feedback is that the non-illuminated SCR2 was intentionally designed as a very thin, unobtrusive reticle for competition purposes. The illuminated models will have a thicker version of the SCR2 to aid in the quality of the illumination and better serve as a hunting crossover optic.
Ask and you shall receive
The trick being at this point, to patiently/impatiently await the arrival of the illuminated models.
@wjm308
As soon as I posted above, I immediately kicked off a text to a Burris sales manager that I speak to periodically.
The official feedback is that the non-illuminated SCR2 was intentionally designed as a very thin, unobtrusive reticle for competition purposes. The illuminated models will have a thicker version of the SCR2 to aid in the quality of the illumination and better serve as a hunting crossover optic.
Ask and you shall receive
The trick being at this point, to patiently/impatiently await the arrival of the illuminated models.
This is great news.
Just need Burris to make the scope.
The world to come out of lock down.
My local exchange rate to improve against the USD.
Maybe 2022 will be the year I buy a XTR3......
I see a few have mentioned the XTRIII having a brighter image and better FoV than the gen 2 Razor. I have one of the Razors but have never used a Burris.
For those that have used both extensively, how does the new XTR compare to the Razor in terms of resolution and handling chromatic aberration?
For those that have used both extensively, how does the new XTR compare to the Razor in terms of resolution and handling chromatic aberration?
Awesome thread guys. I have XTR 2 and didn’t realize how sub-par the glass was until I looked through newer Rzr. Glad to hear XTR 3 is on par as I have really like all me Burris optics and plan to get a 3 as soon as this do do is finished.
Right there with you. Im still holding out hope for a RZR Gen 3 this year and an illuminated XTRIII. XTRIII will still win out if you have hunting in mind since im sure it will still be a pound lighter than a new RZR but who knows.
I was holding out for the NRA show that was suppose to be April 17th. So One more chance, maybe.
Vortex did a product announcement in July last year.
This July they will announce the new PST G2 4-20x50, 5-25x56 and a 2-10x32 with the EBR-9 reticle, and Gen 3 Razor line.
Dreams are free...........
You might want to lock tight the top part on the new race dial mine kept coming in done. The old one didnt
T
The knuled part above the white. It unscrews off the white turret when you dial. I'd take a photo but I put lock tight on it to stop it happening.
At the price that some of these “used” XTR3’s are selling for in the PX section, I think it is worth jumping on for the quality of scope you are getting at a discounted price. Don’t get me wrong, illumination is nice but I never really found myself needing it in most environments.
So I guess the illuminated version undergoing re-engineering, won't be released until 2021 in addition due to current pandemic crisis causing further production delays. Was also considering newer LR Razor HD Gen III version (except 1-10x24) that also won't be released any sooner either. The wait is killing me since last year with a scope less rifle.
My boy mounting my 3-18 on my JP 223. I had a 4-20 on it i really like. excited for the upgrade. i had loaned this to a couple friends. bad arse scope on a bad mambo rifle
So the one piece mount is a 6 screw rings leaving not enough room to mount a level and a red dot on the front of turret. i dont like anything behind turret as i really try to not lift my head when i dial to not only maintain cheek weld but also to save time.
This forced me to get creative. i tried mounting the level upside down on left side but still hit mount so had to put on right side which i can barely still see maintaining cheek weld.
in that spot there isna perfect window to see red dot.
now i have nvr ran a red dot on a rifle before and laughed at those that have. that being said the last several years there have been stages in the Competition Dynamics matches assault courses with either cardboard human shape targets at point blank (1-100 yds) and also a stage once where you had 15 sec to engage a ispc at 60 yds or so with as many hits as you can. both instances would been easier with a red dot.
so shall see!! if we get to shoot this yr
???
regards
DT
So the one piece mount is a 6 screw rings leaving not enough room to mount a level and a red dot on the front of turret. i dont like anything behind turret as i really try to not lift my head when i dial to not only maintain cheek weld but also to save time.
This forced me to get creative. i tried mounting the level upside down on left side but still hit mount so had to put on right side which i can barely still see maintaining cheek weld.
in that spot there isna perfect window to see red dot.
now i have nvr ran a red dot on a rifle before and laughed at those that have. that being said the last several years there have been stages in the Competition Dynamics matches assault courses with either cardboard human shape targets at point blank (1-100 yds) and also a stage once where you had 15 sec to engage a ispc at 60 yds or so with as many hits as you can. both instances would been easier with a red dot.
so shall see!! if we get to shoot this yr
???
regards
DT
When’s the reticle usable in the 5-30?
How much more forgiving is the 5-30 to the 3-18 eye box?
Would you take two 3-18 or have one of both?
this one will be going on a bolt 223. No hunting will he used with it.
The answer is yes. LOL
The xtr3 has many features the RZR dont but the RZR is no slouch. Pick the one you like the retc better honestly...
As mentioned its the Burris fastfire mount. Very easy to install and does what its supposed to. I have some friends who use it on their centerfire rig to find targets with it then look through scope.
GL
DT
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