Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

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Does anyone know where I can get a good copy of the XTR III SCR2 MIL reticle? I need to enlarge and print to add some comments. The ones I've managed to grab (Burris site, etc) get blurry the bigger you make them. Also, they don't need to be huge, big enough for my data book.

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Has anyone here have an issue with scope going out of focus after firing the rifle? I have one on a 300 win mag that needs parallax reset after every firing. It gets all blurry. This is the second to do this at my local range. I shipped it back to burris yesterday. I hope this is resolved and doesn't happen again. I love everything about the scope. Everything but the out of focus issue.
 
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@S3th I can understand that but I wouldn’t let that push you away. I have the XTR3 3-18x50 and it’s very impressive for the price point. I am sure Burris gets bombarded with the same question often and just can’t respond to everyone. I bet some of the “In the know Burris guys” on this forum, will provide updates when they get closer to pushing them into the wild. I have had good experiences with Burris in respect to their scope’s quality, ruggedness and servicing.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
No one really has an answer to this. The illumination, along with a thicker SCR2 reticle is under construction. It's being worked on by engineers in Greeley, and it goes without saying, they really want to get it right.

The driving factor behind a redesigned system is that they want to use something bulletproof.

Customer service personal aren't really in the engineering loop as far as product updates are concerned. That's a management/development team conversation. So at this point, no one outside of upper management knows where this is at.

@khuber84 kick me a PM with your address. I'll get you a properly anodized turret.
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All I am asking for is a response - it doesn't have to be a yes or no. Being ignored isn't great when you are considering a product.
 
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Ericsl2 said:
Its a shame they didn't release these with illumination. The lack of illumination has killed the resale of these. I've got a 3.3-18 brand new in the box i can't even get rid of. The other 3.3-18 i shoot with is very impressive, such an awesome scope for 1500 bucks. Knowing how many people want illumination ( and usually still won't ever use it) it blows my mind Burris wouldn't have released this with illumination instead of making it an after thought
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I’ve thought about saving for an XTRIII, but they cost as much as a Gen2 Razor, which is a proven platform with all the bells and whistles. I’ve kept my eyes on this since it was announced by D_Tros back in November of 2018. The fact that we’re a year and a half on from the announcement and Burris still doesn’t have an illuminated model is ridiculous. I realize they want to “get it right,” but come on! Are they inventing a new illumination method or something? And like you said, the lack of illumination is not only killing resale right now, but the non-illuminated models are likely gonna TANK on the used market once the illuminated version comes out...

I’d still like to try one, and really like the reticle, but I’m not buying until illumination comes out, and I may have already made my purchase in 9 months to a year when that finally happens, haha. And even then, the super low resale of non-illuminated models may have me getting a sweet deal on one of those instead! But I’ll keep my eyes peeled and see if I’m pleasantly surprised, I’ve enjoyed Burris products in the past but this one’s release has definitely been... interesting.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
The intent of the first release XTR3 has always been as a target/competition optic. Thus the lack of illumination and the thinner reticle.

From a first-hand perspective in the PRS , I love the thin reticle of the SCR2. It's perfectly suited for 10x to 30x magnification on targets in daylight. It is ideal for their intended usage.

The illuminated version was always intended as a follow up release once the competition version got off the ground. It's coming, it just wasnt the focus. The also wanted to get the RT6 Long Range scopes with the SCR2 out into the market place. So both of these products are out now.

I think the illumination and thicker reticle will be extremely well-received when it comes to market. It's going to be a great crossover optic.

I continually see on this forum and others that people like the XTR3 better than the G2 Razor, MK5HD, and NX8. Once illumination hits the market, this is going to be a pretty tough to beat option in the sub $2k price point.
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Do you know where they're made? Is this Japanese glass or the Philippines glass of the XTR II?
 
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lennyo3034 said:
I don’t actually need illumination but if the illuminated version comes with a thicker reticle, then that corrects my biggest issue with the scope. I hate how reticles have been getting thinner and thinner. .05 mil line thickness needs to come back.
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I agree, maybe on the higher magnification version the thin reticle will be ok, but the 3-18 will benefit from a thicker reticle IMO.

I have a PST 3-15 with the EBR-7c and feel that the reticle is to fine throughout the entire mag range.
If I'm proven wrong at least the used market will be flooded with dirt cheap non-illuminated versions, apparently...
 
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Has anyone had any problems with reticle jump on these scopes? Took it to the range today and had a wandering zero problem. After messing with it for a while I noticed the reticle jumps .3 to .5 mil (not precise, to the best I can tell) when raising or lowering the magnification. I sent Burris a email when I got home (aware they are closed on the weekend) but was wondering if this was a known issue that I may have missed while researching. Just a little disappointed after spending this amount of money and having problems out of the gate. Oh well we'll see how it pans out I guess.
 
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Yes, Burris has a comprehensive “No Questions Asked” warranty.

....and by that, they mean that you send the scope back to them, they sit on it for 3-6 weeks, don’t contact you, and then return the scope back to you saying they didn’t find anything wrong with it...without asking you any questions.

Hence, “No Questions Asked” warranty.
 
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DRichardson said:
Has anyone had any problems with reticle jump on these scopes? Took it to the range today and had a wandering zero problem. After messing with it for a while I noticed the reticle jumps .3 to .5 mil (not precise, to the best I can tell) when raising or lowering the magnification. I sent Burris a email when I got home (aware they are closed on the weekend) but was wondering if this was a known issue that I may have missed while researching. Just a little disappointed after spending this amount of money and having problems out of the gate. Oh well we'll see how it pans out I guess.
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Your not alone. Not me but found someone with the same problem on a different forum. Last post.
"Just an update.......I REALLY liked everything about this scope, unfortunately already had to return it to Burris. Reticle was moving when indexing the power ring between +-. Scope was on a 7.8# braked 300 norma improved. I suspect the high recoil pulse and brake affect jarred something loose internally.
Bummer.......I'll probably be selling after it's repaired, maybe I'll try it on a lighter recoil setup."

Burris XTR III

Seeing if anybody's laid hands on one of these yet? Impressions? It's supposed to be a marked improvement over the XTR II and is getting some good feedback on other forums. Made in the U.S. too.
www.longrangehunting.com
 
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I'm working with sport optics to fix the issue, which they don't have to do, they could push me off on Burris. I'm not sure yet if I'm going to just get a replacement from them or a credit and get something else. It would be different if it broke after I've had it for a while but I'm not sure I would ever completely trust another one with this in the back of my head.

Sportoptics has been great through all this, I can't recommend them enough so far.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
Khuber's optic is the only one I'm aware of having this issue.

I'm aware of two other scopes being returned. All were handled in a timely manner and the return issue was resolved. I cant say Burris scopes are perfect. No one can say that about any manufacturer. Give them an opportunity to make it right and go from there. It's still a great scope. The good news on these optics far outweigh the bad.
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Honest Question: you do a better job of repping Burris, supporting their product and communicating with customers than their actual service department; why haven’t they hired you to unfuck their situation?
 
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khuber84 said:
What type of rifle did you have it on? My 338 rum killed an ares etr in short order as well. It now wears a leupold mk5hd. I purchased another xtr3 3.3-18x50 here a lil while back, no issues with that one, nor the replacement Burris sent me.
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It was on my match rifle and the funny thing is it has my 223 barrel on it now, it weighs 16lbs. I'm waiting on 2 new 6mm Creed barrels to be delivered. So definitely not some hard recoiling rifle. Pretty sure this scope was like this out of the box, and I missed the issue when mounting it.
 
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Like I've said before I can't recommend sportoptics enough and Jayce there has been great to deal with. Since the scope is so new they are taking care of it. I decided to get another one. I really like the scope overall, the glass, FOV, and reticle are great. Seems like overall the scope gets great reviews. Im optimistic it will be ok.
 
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Question. The PRS Production class rule states ' The optic shall not exceed $2,000 USD as listed on the company’s website.'

If I go to Burris' website right now, it lists the SCR2 MIL for $1,941. Obviously you can get it cheaper. But it also lists the MSRP for the same at $2,219.

Does this scope qualify for PRS Production Class? If not... huge mistake in the MSRP pricing.

I'd have one of these on order - since I like my Burris Fulfield II scopes on the hunting rifles - but this is a tactical scope with less features than scopes half the price. I realize the glass and FOV and all of that are probably wonderful, but we have to be realistic here. You can get these for $1,600 and that's up to $200 too much for a non-illuminated scope in this class. I'm not sure it's price competitive... but it is viable enough if it is allowed in PRS production class (and similar).
 
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sirboom said:
Question. The PRS Production class rule states ' The optic shall not exceed $2,000 USD as listed on the company’s website.'

If I go to Burris' website right now, it lists the SCR2 MIL for $1,941. Obviously you can get it cheaper. But it also lists the MSRP for the same at $2,219.

Does this scope qualify for PRS Production Class? If not... huge mistake in the MSRP pricing.

I'd have one of these on order - since I like my Burris Fulfield II scopes on the hunting rifles - but this is a tactical scope with less features than scopes half the price. I realize the glass and FOV and all of that are probably wonderful, but we have to be realistic here. You can get these for $1,600 and that's up to $200 too much for a non-illuminated scope in this class. I'm not sure it's price competitive... but it is viable enough if it is allowed in PRS production class (and similar).
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Yeah. Huge mistake. They'll miss out on the chance to sell to all 3 guys who are going to shoot production. Haha
 
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Being in sales/marketing myself, perception of "being able to" holds extraordinary value with a product. The XTR III's price is "so close" to the cut off that it doesn't make sense why Burris wouldn't cap the MSRP and even taut that this scope is a "new option for any class of competitive precision shooting".

I go out, I get a RPR in 6.5 or 6, grab me a Burris XTR III, practice a little. Then nut up and show up to a PRS match and do well enough to want to do it again... then spread the word about Burris and probably remain loyal to them with a incredible scope for a very long time. Or, I get an RPR and grab me an Vortex PST Gen II and never think about Burris again because by the time I realize I could do better, I totally skip over the Burris XTR III and it's pseudo price point.

Regardless, I'm sorry, but a $2,200 MSRP scope should have some form of illumination. 99% of people won't use it, but the competition has it.

A $1999.99 scope with uniquely excellent glass (i.e., large FOV) without illumination can do well if it's allowed to generate a following.

Especially since the XTR II is so much cheaper, to many people are going to assume a generational iteration, not a totally different class of scope.

XTR III Pro is what this should be called. And we need to stop charging more for tree reticles, especially if there's only one. Common now.

Rant over.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
The intent of the first release XTR3 has always been as a target/competition optic. Thus the lack of illumination and the thinner reticle.

From a first-hand perspective in the PRS , I love the thin reticle of the SCR2. It's perfectly suited for 10x to 30x magnification on targets in daylight. It is ideal for their intended usage.

The illuminated version was always intended as a follow up release once the competition version got off the ground. It's coming, it just wasnt the focus. The also wanted to get the RT6 Long Range scopes with the SCR2 out into the market place. So both of these products are out now.

I think the illumination and thicker reticle will be extremely well-received when it comes to market. It's going to be a great crossover optic.

I continually see on this forum and others that people like the XTR3 better than the G2 Razor, MK5HD, and NX8. Once illumination hits the market, this is going to be a pretty tough to beat option in the sub $2k price point.
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I’m holding out for the thicker reticle and/or illuminated reticle for a hunting rifle I’m currently having built. Any idea when these might be available?
 
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matchbook454 said:
I’m holding out for the thicker reticle and/or illuminated reticle for a hunting rifle I’m currently having built. Any idea when these might be available?
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I just emailed Burris 2 days ago hoping to find out this exact info and then I just said Fuggit and bought the non illuminated SCR2 from Liberty Optics!
 
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Thought I would give a review of of a 3.3x18 XTR3/SCR2 I just bought out of the PX. Went with a shooting buddy to Coleman's Creek where we went out to 1240yds, didn't try the mile due to wind. On 18x, while more is better, it was still enough to see plates that far.

Overall, impressed by what they have done with the 3 vs the 2. My other high end scopes were NF NXS's and while old, still a good scope. The 3's glass is much better though but haven't had it long enough to see if it is as tough.

The turrets feel good, nice clicks and played with the elevation a lot. The zero stop worked fine, loved this feature on my NXS.

I agree with the others on the SCR2, not usable in the low power ranges but once you are up to max, easy to use.
Edit: been using this some deer hunting and must say at low power the reticle is good enough to take one at 200-ish yards.

Compared to his Razor Gen2, I thought the 3 gave a more defined image, he didn't agree and it could have been each other's focus as we didn't adjust that while swapping. I like the razor but could not see paying $1600 for one, would not pay that for the Burris either but I'm always looking for deals.

If you have a chance to look through a 3, try it. I have Gen 1, 2 and 3 of the XTR and they have made a really nice scope this time.
 
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I feel like the manufacturers are working to competing objectives by increasing the zoom range to almost 6x the low power and that reeks havoc with the reticle size on an FFP scope. For 2FP its fine but just unusable at low power with FFP.

I would rather have the old 3 X range on an FFP scope and forget about anything over about 24 power. That way the reticle thickness could be more idealized to be reasonable throughout the zoom range.

I feel like instead they try and give the sales department a feature they can exploit as a benefit but it isn't really a benefit in practical terms on an FFP scope.

As long as they do this, we will never be happy with the line thickness, and its especially true if its not ideal at the zoom setting we are most likely to use.
 
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I’ll be curious to see the illuminated version/thicker reticle and see if it helps the usability in the lower magnification on the 3-18x50 model. Either way though the XTR3 is a nice scope.
 
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Rebels010 said:
Sleep easier at night.
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Did the joke go over my head? Seriously tho o the small cross is so so much better. It's small enough for shooting groups on paper in the .0s and you can still see 8t on low zoom. When you get down to low power it then looks like a dot unlike most dots that basicly dissapears on low zoom
 
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I have come to prefer a dot, therefore I would sleep easier at night knowing the reticle is of my preference.

That’s good feedback, I need to get behind one and to try it out and see what I think.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
Haha, I do wish I had a little more pull with them to make things happen for you guys. I contact them every now and then and pull strings for the guys here on the Hide, but I wish I could do more.

I'm just a shooter though. I feel pretty privileged to have been on the Burris shooting team for the last five years. They treat me fantastic, they are great people trying their best to continue to bring a good product to everyone.

A few glitches on a new scope release doesnt really worry me, though I feel bad for the guys who are the recipient of a scope that needs to be returned. I remember when the XTRII came to market. It was plagued with issues, and it ended up being a very successful, extremely durable optic.

I have faith that Burris will unfuck themselves ;)




As mentioned above, Khuber went through this issue. I contacted the people I know on his behalf and they told me what the problem was. It was complicated, and I quite honestly dont understand scope engineering well enough to understand what they were telling me. That's why Khuber mentioned he thought it was a BS answer. I dont believe they were BSing us personally. If the reticle was broken or jumping, they simply could have said so. No big deal. The guy I spoke to about it wouldnt have any reason to make anything up. But long story short, you got a malfunctioning scope right out of the box, which sucks, and I feel badly for you.

Best option is just reach out to them and give them the opportunity to take care of it. It's still an excellent optic at a great price. Once they get you taken care of you'll be happy you picked it.

And dont worry about putting it on a heavy recoiling rifle. I've run two different XTR3s on a 300 Norma Mag and a 338 Lapua Mag.

As soon as I can get out of work today I'm headed out with a buddy and slapping one on a 50BMG. We have several rifles today that we are going to start at 1200 yards, and work our way out to 2200 yards.

If you run into any issues with Burris, shoot me a PM. I'll make a call for you.
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Man, that’s really nice of you.

But people shouldn’t have to come to an Internet forum and find some guy to call the manufacturer of their scope to get problems resolved for them.

They better hurry up and “unfuck” themselves or they might be the next Quigley Ford.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
I'm not sure its a manufacturer thing. If consumers didn't want it, it would get squashed pretty quick. But the demand from scope buyers is there.

I think as the high zoom ratio optics are becoming more prevalent we are beginning to see the weaknesses associated with them. Reticles in FFP simply can't be optimized throughout the magnification ratio. They are either too thick or too thin at the top or bottom. Also we see finicky parallax, shallow depth of field, and flaws in the glass. The NX8 is a perfect example of a symptomatic high zoom ratio.

The XTR3 is actually designed as a 7x ratio. They could take that scope to 35x. But they saw things they didn't like and decided to limit it to 30x. I do believe the thicker SCR2 that they are going to use for the illuminated version will be much more useable at the lower magnifications. Making it a very good choice as a crossover hunting/competition optic. But it will definitely be thicker at max zoom.
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There are even some 10x out there and that just makes the problem even worse.

I get it though, manufacturers are responding to what the consumers "think" they want, but consumers are real slow on the up take as to the down side of the request.

Manufacturers must be conflicted on this where it approaches malicious obedience.

I looked all over the SWFA web site and couldn't find anything with the old 3x ratio. Everything seems to be 4x and up.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
I was offering to help,, that was all.. No one needed me to make a call for them. For the handful of issues that presented themselves out of the first batch of 200 to 400 XTR3s that left Colorado, Burris resolved them all with the customers without any help from me.

And for any one paying attention, those posts were 6 months ago, there hasn't been a single issue with the XTR3 since. I've seen nothing but positive feedback for months now. It's a hell of a nice scope, the people that are buying them like it.
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How about some of them sweet sweet employee discount prices for hide members already running Burris 😆
 
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sorry for caps lol. last weekend at Cameo range in Grand Junction. Took 2nd place shooting a 223 and factory ammo. Good times!! scope is a beast.

have to add. I seriously crack up when people say, the retc isnt usable at 3 power....really??? its not meant to be! its the FOV you use at low power to find your target/animal that makes this scope amazing.

...did I mention MADE IN AMERICA?!?!? yeeeeeeeeeeeyaw after rock solid tacking nothing else really needs said.

rant over. lol.
 

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Who’s used the scr 3-18 as a crossover hunting scope?
what power was the reticle usable on? Looked at my buddies scr2 and it was too small for me for hunting use.
 
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