The Race Dial would be absolutely money at NRL 22 matches.
You could mark your dial at all the yardages you need.
You could mark your dial at all the yardages you need.
Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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There's something strangely appealing about that mat plum-ish camo color on that chassis!
Sure would like that 5.5-30 XTR3 on one of my rifles!
Sure would like that 5.5-30 XTR3 on one of my rifles!
I'm not Dorgan, but he's traveling right now and probably hasnt seen your question.
The eyebox is as good or better than any scope I have compared it to. And that's a fairly long list of high quality scopes.
To compare to the XTRII, which is the scope they took all their feedback from to build this one, the XTR3 on 30x has a bigger eyebox than the XTR2 on 20x. And it looks good with the glass going edge to edge with a very thin black scope tube ring.
Any updates on when more SCR2 5.5-30's will hit dealers shelves? What about the 3.3-18's in SCR2, are they close? Where is Geoff when you need him, I'm bummed he's no longer a hide resource. I put in my order with Tyler Kemp of MKM (@Tyler Kemp) for a 3.3-18 with SCR2, but am worried it will be a while and my new ZP5 will show up before the XTR III.
That almost seems like cheating
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'
I had a chat with Burris management early this week. My understanding is that CS Tactical and Sport Optics are your best bet to run down a 30x in the near future.
Production is full steam on all models and they expect to be caught up on all preorders and have all inventory at projected levels by the end of October.
That bodes well for them moving to illuminated models.
Ireland has been amazing. Dont have alot of time but some quick points.
-Shooting a 223 in rainy conditions up to 1200 yds was brutal for any scope. and seeing impacts was tough. I am happy how this bad boy performed and found myself at 30 power multiple times...
-I was 6 pts from a top 10 and took top tac home. was an awesome match. if anyone hasnt shot a Guardian match i highly recommend it.
-I honestly have no bad things to say. I was unable to get any CA and FOV was phenominal. One stage had 3 targets to be shot from 3 sep positions. my holdovers were 0.0 (dialed 1.4 mils), +0.8, +3.6 and it was the only stage i cleaned. this new retc is very fast, clean and effective.
-Ireland is wet. who knew. lol
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-Tree is a number not an obstacle. lolol
Guardian puts on a great match format. Esp if ur a one day match type.
Regards
DT
-Shooting a 223 in rainy conditions up to 1200 yds was brutal for any scope. and seeing impacts was tough. I am happy how this bad boy performed and found myself at 30 power multiple times...
-I was 6 pts from a top 10 and took top tac home. was an awesome match. if anyone hasnt shot a Guardian match i highly recommend it.
-I honestly have no bad things to say. I was unable to get any CA and FOV was phenominal. One stage had 3 targets to be shot from 3 sep positions. my holdovers were 0.0 (dialed 1.4 mils), +0.8, +3.6 and it was the only stage i cleaned. this new retc is very fast, clean and effective.
-Ireland is wet. who knew. lol
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-Tree is a number not an obstacle. lolol
Guardian puts on a great match format. Esp if ur a one day match type.
Regards
DT
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We have our T&E 5.5-30 SCR2, we'll start testing it next week
Test and evaluation? I thought these scopes were already in the wild?We have our T&E 5.5-30 SCR2, we'll start testing it next week
Yeah, but we're not that special apparently... This for us to personally gather information on how it performs against similar scopes we've been using.
I got a PM earlier today from a Hider looking for the 18x (the above poster as it turns out). So I contacted a high mucky muck at Burris who told me a bunch of them shipped with the SCR2.
I have a strong suspicion that Steiner will do quite well with that 2.9-20x50 scope. I really hope they will offer some non-Horus tree retickle in it, but I'll take MSR2 if not.
Most of my complaints with the 4-28x56 M7Xi center around its CA above 20x and I suspect the smaller 50mm scope will have CA under control.
Ilya
Most of my complaints with the 4-28x56 M7Xi center around its CA above 20x and I suspect the smaller 50mm scope will have CA under control.
Ilya
Can you provide much more in the way of details or are we going to have to wait until Shot 2020 for more?
I do not know if the erector design between XTR3 and M7Xi is the same, but I would not be surprised if they are related.
Based on what I have seen so far, scopes based on this erector and eye-piece do not suffer from the distortion and finicky eye relief issues NX8 seems to have.
ILya
I don't have any photos. But I can offer some feedback.
Its turning out to be one of the better low light scopes I have looked through. Another poster said that in a side by side on 20x, the XTR3 had better low light resolution than his ATACR.
I've seen some glass that has better color than the XTR3, but the brightness of this scope is very good.
Its turning out to be one of the better low light scopes I have looked through. Another poster said that in a side by side on 20x, the XTR3 had better low light resolution than his ATACR.
I've seen some glass that has better color than the XTR3, but the brightness of this scope is very good.
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Well that Steiner 2.9-20x50 shakes things up a bit. Oddly enough the SCR reticle was released first with the Steiner T5Xi then was migrated into the Burris XTR II line, I would not be surprised if the SCR2 which was released with the XTR III migrates to the Steiner M7Xi line at some point. I would be very curious to see how the 2.9-20x50 M7Xi compares to the S&B US 3-20, assuming that price will be under $3k street. Hopefully they will control CA better with the 50mm model than they do with the 56mm.
This is only an assumption as I have seen neither scope, but I would venture to say the Burris XTR III has better FOV for it's given magnification along with better eyebox, depth and parallax forgiveness, but similar to the NX8 the 7x magnification will draw a lot of buyers in hoping Steiner somehow cracked the code for a high magnification/short scope design.
Looks like I really need to try to make it to SHOT this year, hopefully it will work out with my schedule.
This is only an assumption as I have seen neither scope, but I would venture to say the Burris XTR III has better FOV for it's given magnification along with better eyebox, depth and parallax forgiveness, but similar to the NX8 the 7x magnification will draw a lot of buyers in hoping Steiner somehow cracked the code for a high magnification/short scope design.
Looks like I really need to try to make it to SHOT this year, hopefully it will work out with my schedule.
I think there is a really high likelihood that the illuminated XTR3 will be at SHOT. I know now that the 30x and 18x production is in full swing and they plan on being caught up on all pre orders and back orders within the next month, that the illuminated models are next on the agenda.
I cant really speak to price, I havent heard a number in any conversation. But I know when they offered the non-illuminated XTR2s, they shaved $150 off the price. That's probably something in the ballpark. Putting these scopes in the $1800 to $1900 price range for the 18x and 30x respectively.
I cant really speak to price, I havent heard a number in any conversation. But I know when they offered the non-illuminated XTR2s, they shaved $150 off the price. That's probably something in the ballpark. Putting these scopes in the $1800 to $1900 price range for the 18x and 30x respectively.
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I was just at Liberty Firearms Institute in Greeley,CO yesterday and was able to finally lay hands on one of these. I gotta tell ya, I think I'll be buying the 3-18x before too long.
The other thing that was kind of shocking to me is how big and heavy scopes in general have gotten. The big Razors are heavy as bricks...literally. Even the big Nightforces are real pigs.
The XTR3 3-18x is about as big a scope I would ever want on a rifle. JMHO
The other thing that was kind of shocking to me is how big and heavy scopes in general have gotten. The big Razors are heavy as bricks...literally. Even the big Nightforces are real pigs.
The XTR3 3-18x is about as big a scope I would ever want on a rifle. JMHO
The xtr3 in the 5-30 is only 32oz.. that's actually pretty light considering the vortex b razor gen2 is 48.5 oz. And the razor amg is 28.8oz.
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I looked at the bigger XTR3 as well. I wouldn't want it, but I realize I am not the market they are playing to. Scopes have just gotten fat.
I am wondering how far this current trend will go before things start to reverse. My first "big" scope was a Leupy Mark 4 LR/T 6.5-20x50. It seems downright svelt compared to current scopes. It has also held up without issue as I burned out 3 barrels on a 13 pound 300 winmag.
Not championing Leupold, I know they have problems. I got a couple of good ones though (early 2000's vintage), that track and have held up and I'll probably never trade or sell them.
I have 3 XTR2 3-15x50's that I really like. They track better than 99% and the supposed inferior glass hasn't hindered me yet. I'll probably keep them as well.
I will eventually get one of those pigs to replace one of those XTR2's on my ELR rig, but it only gets carried from the tailgate to the firing point.
Thinking of ordering a 5-30 with the SCR2 reticle. Silly question -- will XTR2 accessories work on this scope? I am guessing no for a front cap since the objective seems to be larger. But what about a throw lever for the magnification ring?
Speaking of cat tails / throw levers, which have you found to be the best?
Thanks
Speaking of cat tails / throw levers, which have you found to be the best?
Thanks
I really like MGM throw levers. They come in all sizes and have a folding handle option i really like. That being said the xtr2 throw lever JUST barely fits on the xtr3. not much thread and there is a gap but it didnt strip out over the weekend of shooting.
other than that the tube is 34mm so any levels or other attachments will swap over.
Regards
DT
I do not believe the turrets and mag ring are the same or even close to the same between XTR II and XTR III. I like MK Machining and Aadmount gear
This is a good question! I just ordered that exact model and have a throw lever laying around from my XTR 2. I'll let you know if it fits when my new scope comes in this week!
I think the front cap will work on the 18x XTR3. But as you pointed out, not the 30x.
The magnification ring is the same diameter. 1.75" if I recall. If it fits the XTR2 it will fit the XTR3. I've mixed and matched a couple of them. But as Dorgan pointed out, there is a slight difference. I believe its caused by the more aggressive knurling done on the mag ring of the XTR3. But it works fine.
I use the MGM Switchviews personally. It's a great cattail. And with MGM being local, I grab them off prize tables all the time.
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I've heard read that people compare the turrets to s&b's, and some people say they don't feel great.
My 5.5-30 shows up today, and my friend just picked up a atacr. I'll update yall on how it compares to my old xtr 2 and the atacr!
Turrets are just like reticles.... subjective..
Some will love and some will hate the exact same turret. But one thing's for sure, they are very tactile with great feedback. I'm to the point that if I am just making small corrections I dont even look at the turret. I keep my cheek weld looking through the scope. It's easy to feel and hear the clicks on the XTR3.
Post #798 on page 16 has a good video I made on the XTR3 turrets.
I have found this to be the case as well - turret feel is very much personal preference. It's like trying to argue which is the best flavor of ice cream, I might say chocolate and you might say vanilla, does that make one of us right or wrong, no, just means we like different flavors. The same goes for turrets and reticles. I consider myself a reticle snob, what I mean by that is I am very particular about reticles, there are ones I like and there are many I don't like. But just because I prefer a particular reticle doesn't mean it won't work for someone else. I do not consider myself a turret snob; however, I do like a turret that has distinct clicks with little play and lands on the appropriate tick mark. My favorite turrets to date (and I've played with a bunch) are the Leupold Mark 5HD turrets; however, I cannot stand Leupold's reticles so I sold my Mark 5 for reticle and some optical issues that bugged me. I've had the Burris XTR II and actually thought they had pretty good turrets, so if the XTR III are an improvement I think I will be pleasantly surprised.
I just placed my order for the 3.3-18x50 with the SCR2. Pretty excited to see the production run version of this scope. If it's anything like the 30x, I'm going to like it.
This scope will make it's way onto my CZ457 NRL22 rifle pretty soon. I'm thinking that adding the Race Dial and marking all my yardages for the day will be the cat's meow on this scope.
Finger's crossed that I dont have to wait too long for it.
This scope will make it's way onto my CZ457 NRL22 rifle pretty soon. I'm thinking that adding the Race Dial and marking all my yardages for the day will be the cat's meow on this scope.
Finger's crossed that I dont have to wait too long for it.
I’ve had my eye on one of Area 419’s custom CZ457’s, they look super nice but not sure if it’s worth it to pay a bit more for a Vudoo rig instead. My thoughts with the XTR III 3.3-18 are for my 10/22 eventually.
It's a tough call Bill. I think if a guy has the disposable cash and wants the very best, that's the Voodoo.
If you are content with a really good 22RF, either because you aren't terribly serious about it (that's me) or you dont want to shell out the cash, the CZ is a fantastic choice.
I ran about 6 different ammo choices through my CZ 457 Pro Varmint. All the usual suspects. And with SK Long Range Match, right out of the box with the wooden Boyd's stock, I averaged .647 moa at 100 yards on a 5x5 group test.
I've since dropped it in an XLR Industries chassis, but I'm still less than $1000 invested into the rifle (minus optic) And that level of performance is plenty good for my needs.
If you are content with a really good 22RF, either because you aren't terribly serious about it (that's me) or you dont want to shell out the cash, the CZ is a fantastic choice.
I ran about 6 different ammo choices through my CZ 457 Pro Varmint. All the usual suspects. And with SK Long Range Match, right out of the box with the wooden Boyd's stock, I averaged .647 moa at 100 yards on a 5x5 group test.
I've since dropped it in an XLR Industries chassis, but I'm still less than $1000 invested into the rifle (minus optic) And that level of performance is plenty good for my needs.
You may have saved me a boatload of money
That performance would be plenty good for my needs as well, this is the one I was looking at - https://www.area419.com/product/cz-457-manners-elite-package/, but you're right, if I'm not going to compete with it then is it really necessary, but then I just saw CZ offers a 457 with a Manners stock from factory in the CZ 457 Varmint Precision Trainer Camo - https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-457-varmint-precision-trainer-camo/Well you may have saved me money in the long run but now I'm really liking the precision trainer... I have a Savage 93R 17HMR for "training" now, but have been wanting a nice 22LR bolt action for a while.
Either way, the XTR III would be a nice scope for them I would think.
You may have saved me a boatload of money
Well you may have saved me money in the long run but now I'm really liking the precision trainer... I have a Savage 93R 17HMR for "training" now, but have been wanting a nice 22LR bolt action for a while.
Either way, the XTR III would be a nice scope for them I would think.
I think the Precision trainer in the Manners is a fantastic rifle. And I have to admit, I leaned really hard that direction for a bit.
The only thing that talked me out of going with that rifle is my affiliation with the fellas at XLR Industries. I run a lot of their stuff and they treat me great on pricing. And they make a fantastic chassis for the 457, so it's a win all the way around. But in different circumstances. The trainer is absolutely the route I would go. The stock adjustability and ability to tinker with the torque settings on the action screws really helps dial these rifles in..
With the right ammo, the CZ is an awfully accurate little 22. And I agree, the 18x XTR3 should top it off very nicely.
That makes perfect sense since you are already familiar with XLR, most of my LR rifles have Manners which is why I'm leaning in that direction. Sorry to be off topic somewhat with the CZ conversation, now back to the XTR III...
Tyler from MK Machining said my XTR III is shipping today! Also, for those who may not know, the Hide's own @Tyler Kemp with MK Machining is now an Optics dealer as well. Tyler has a throw lever designed specifically for XTR III that he's shipping with my scope so I'll be sure to include that in my review. Also, Tyler has what's becoming one of my favorite scope bubble levels with the small footprint low-profile billet level so check out his 3D printer gear and also his billet accessories.
Okay, I know, shameless plug, but I do like to support Hide dealers. By the way, Tyler has one more XTR III 3.3-18x50 with SCR2 reticle in stock, give him a call for a great deal...
Okay, I know, shameless plug, but I do like to support Hide dealers. By the way, Tyler has one more XTR III 3.3-18x50 with SCR2 reticle in stock, give him a call for a great deal...
I have not, I do like it is Rem 700 compatible, but CZ has had years to refine their .22 and the 457 has some nice features, I'll have to look into it, thanks
Looks like you will get yours before me. Greeley is emptied out of them, they are all out in the retailers hands. So I'll have to wait on the next production run.
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