Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Those are white steel targets. The color surrounding them is not from an angel.
Those are white steel targets. The color surrounding them is not from an angel.
Rifle Scopes Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
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Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those are white steel targets. The color surrounding them is not from an angel. </div></div>
Wow, you have great eyes. From Arizona you can see that the OP in NC was using only white steel targets. And a square totally solid orange brown halo no less.......
Square angel halo's who knew..... Looks more like a orange square, with a white square center spray painted on. In case your wondering the orange white target, halo and all measures about 32"......
BTW Sport look at the grey trees in the background to the right side of the target. Look ma no halo's.........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those are white steel targets. The color surrounding them is not from an angel. </div></div>
Wow, you have great eyes. From Arizona you can see that the OP in NC was using only white steel targets. And a square totally solid orange brown halo no less.......
Square angel halo's who knew..... Looks more like a orange square, with a white square center spray painted on. In case your wondering the orange white target, halo and all measures about 32"......
BTW Sport look at the grey trees in the background to the right side of the target. Look ma no halo's.........
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Those pics are steel painted orange with a white 100yrd sight in target. I wanted to see if I could distinguish the 1" lines, but I couldn't. The white just whited out @ 24X. It's pretty good glass for the money, easy to use,and so far right on the money, but next to dad's Swaroski and Zeiss it's not as bright or crisp.
Those pics are steel painted orange with a white 100yrd sight in target. I wanted to see if I could distinguish the 1" lines, but I couldn't. The white just whited out @ 24X. It's pretty good glass for the money, easy to use,and so far right on the money, but next to dad's Swaroski and Zeiss it's not as bright or crisp.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Ok, my mistake. The white target you have closer in the first picture isn't painted orange. I assumed both your targets were the same.
Ok, my mistake. The white target you have closer in the first picture isn't painted orange. I assumed both your targets were the same.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tag </div></div>
TAG what?????
"Those are white steel targets. The color surrounding them is not from an angel." quote TwoGun
No, not from an angel, but rather from Tunanut, but he may be angelic......
Thanks,
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tag </div></div>
TAG what?????
"Those are white steel targets. The color surrounding them is not from an angel." quote TwoGun
No, not from an angel, but rather from Tunanut, but he may be angelic......
Thanks,
Bob
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
I'm glad that was all sorted out because I had looked at the pictures about 5 times earlier and couldn't find the halo around the orange and white target he was talking about. Guess I don't have TwoGun's amazing eyes.
I'm glad that was all sorted out because I had looked at the pictures about 5 times earlier and couldn't find the halo around the orange and white target he was talking about. Guess I don't have TwoGun's amazing eyes.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, my mistake. The white target you have closer in the first picture isn't painted orange. I assumed both your targets were the same. </div></div>
negative.
White target stand @ 100. Rusty steel painted with orange rustolium w/white paper hanging @ 500.
This is my 400yrd target. The paper target in the bottom of the frame is like the one taped on the steel. I did it mostl for testing the clarity of the glass. You may notice a yellow halo around my 400 yarder. Krylon not bushnell.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, my mistake. The white target you have closer in the first picture isn't painted orange. I assumed both your targets were the same. </div></div>
negative.
White target stand @ 100. Rusty steel painted with orange rustolium w/white paper hanging @ 500.
This is my 400yrd target. The paper target in the bottom of the frame is like the one taped on the steel. I did it mostl for testing the clarity of the glass. You may notice a yellow halo around my 400 yarder. Krylon not bushnell.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Picking a scope or any equipment is not rocket science.
If you must have the best, or you are pushing the equipment to its limit, then buy the best. Save yourself the trouble.
For most applications, or if someone is on a budget, they may be willing to make small compromises. Maybe a $500 - 700 scope will work fine. Just don't expect it to work like a $3,000 S&B.
Window screen? Personally if I made a poor choice of matching my quality expectations to the cost of a scope and was disappointed, I would not post my experience on the internet. It's not the scopes fault it did not meet someones out of touch expectations. It's a matter of highlighting the buyers bad judgment.
I came on this forum to learn a few things and pick up info. Not to hear about someone getting their panties in a bunch. I think there is too much bitching and bashing going on in general. Are you guys snipers? Or is this a tupperware party?
Picking a scope or any equipment is not rocket science.
If you must have the best, or you are pushing the equipment to its limit, then buy the best. Save yourself the trouble.
For most applications, or if someone is on a budget, they may be willing to make small compromises. Maybe a $500 - 700 scope will work fine. Just don't expect it to work like a $3,000 S&B.
Window screen? Personally if I made a poor choice of matching my quality expectations to the cost of a scope and was disappointed, I would not post my experience on the internet. It's not the scopes fault it did not meet someones out of touch expectations. It's a matter of highlighting the buyers bad judgment.
I came on this forum to learn a few things and pick up info. Not to hear about someone getting their panties in a bunch. I think there is too much bitching and bashing going on in general. Are you guys snipers? Or is this a tupperware party?
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
I have the 6500 TE in 2.5x16 sitting on a Savage BAT. I think the glass complements the rifle perfectly. If I was still climbing up and down the hills of columbia and my weapons systems could mean the diference of success or failure I may chose a better scope and rifle, but my budget says a sub $1000 scope and I think the Bushnell is good bang for the buck.
I have the 6500 TE in 2.5x16 sitting on a Savage BAT. I think the glass complements the rifle perfectly. If I was still climbing up and down the hills of columbia and my weapons systems could mean the diference of success or failure I may chose a better scope and rifle, but my budget says a sub $1000 scope and I think the Bushnell is good bang for the buck.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
The question is Is Tupperware filled with goodies or not...
But yeah i agree with said. I've yet to see a scope which doesn't enable its user to see the target at any given usable shooting range (now lets leave out the true tracking, mils/moas and repeatability). I really see no point in discussing optics pro/cons and what is worth it as every price segment is covered with good and fully functional scopes with so little difference (within class) that much comes down to personal preference (hence most of the foaming klikklaks on the keyboards...).
You really need to reread your posts and rethink your attitude as you've made quite a fool of yourself, coming in hot with guns blazing only to find out you've been shooting blanks all along...
The question is Is Tupperware filled with goodies or not...
But yeah i agree with said. I've yet to see a scope which doesn't enable its user to see the target at any given usable shooting range (now lets leave out the true tracking, mils/moas and repeatability). I really see no point in discussing optics pro/cons and what is worth it as every price segment is covered with good and fully functional scopes with so little difference (within class) that much comes down to personal preference (hence most of the foaming klikklaks on the keyboards...).
You really need to reread your posts and rethink your attitude as you've made quite a fool of yourself, coming in hot with guns blazing only to find out you've been shooting blanks all along...
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
At the risk of sounding like an optics snob, I understand there are differences in visual acuity. A chick from Texas I once knew hated Kodak paper because it tended to be too "yellah". Looked close, finally noticed a difference from Fuji, and later learned from another source that one of the usual (not EVERY person) differences 'tween menfolk and womenfolk is more acute perception of...the color yellow.
Me, my left eye is to my brain noticeably more sharp than my right/dominant. Drove my optometrist almost nuts a few years ago. Every variation of diopter and cylinder and still "passed" the usual acuity tests by I still saw some edge fuzz compared to the left eye, directional "smearing" when the cylinder was off. Last trip, I was wishing for 1/8-diopter adjustments.
What drives me nuts is there are so few objective measurements of scope resolution, contrast, and low-light performance, even using the subjective human observer. The great Dallas Scope Comparison or Shootout or whatever a while back was one notable almost-exception. It would help greatly to isolate the human factor if three users would look at the same resolution target and report the line size where it changes from stripes to gray. At bright, sunset, and dim conditions. Maybe with a photographic EV pegged for the non-noon observations. Then we who aren't looking through the optic can weigh how significant the differences are...one "interval" difference on the line sizes, or three?
Contrast is more tricky but can be done.
Pay me $250 and I'll devote the time to generate a nice little JPEG "Official Sniper's Hide Optics Resolution Target" so we can become standardized like some of the Consumer's Union or NRA tests for other things.
Just not this week. I gotta get back to work...
Later, eh?
At the risk of sounding like an optics snob, I understand there are differences in visual acuity. A chick from Texas I once knew hated Kodak paper because it tended to be too "yellah". Looked close, finally noticed a difference from Fuji, and later learned from another source that one of the usual (not EVERY person) differences 'tween menfolk and womenfolk is more acute perception of...the color yellow.
Me, my left eye is to my brain noticeably more sharp than my right/dominant. Drove my optometrist almost nuts a few years ago. Every variation of diopter and cylinder and still "passed" the usual acuity tests by I still saw some edge fuzz compared to the left eye, directional "smearing" when the cylinder was off. Last trip, I was wishing for 1/8-diopter adjustments.
What drives me nuts is there are so few objective measurements of scope resolution, contrast, and low-light performance, even using the subjective human observer. The great Dallas Scope Comparison or Shootout or whatever a while back was one notable almost-exception. It would help greatly to isolate the human factor if three users would look at the same resolution target and report the line size where it changes from stripes to gray. At bright, sunset, and dim conditions. Maybe with a photographic EV pegged for the non-noon observations. Then we who aren't looking through the optic can weigh how significant the differences are...one "interval" difference on the line sizes, or three?
Contrast is more tricky but can be done.
Pay me $250 and I'll devote the time to generate a nice little JPEG "Official Sniper's Hide Optics Resolution Target" so we can become standardized like some of the Consumer's Union or NRA tests for other things.
Just not this week. I gotta get back to work...
Later, eh?
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Oh yeah, binoculars ALL give me headaches after 10 minutes because my eyes are about 5 degrees "tilted" inward from the bottom of my field of view to the top. Magnification does something funny.
Discovered it about 20 years ago when I was trying to re-align the prisms on a [really cheap] set of binoculars I had dropped. Was using my left eye to "level" the garage door image across the street through both barrels, then was sorely disappointed when I looked with both eyes and alternated closing each eye.
Then I had a funny idea and repeated it without the binoculars. SAME "tilt" for each eye! Yup, the optometrist knew about that variation among us humans too. It's just that almost nobody ever mentions it.
Oh yeah, binoculars ALL give me headaches after 10 minutes because my eyes are about 5 degrees "tilted" inward from the bottom of my field of view to the top. Magnification does something funny.
Discovered it about 20 years ago when I was trying to re-align the prisms on a [really cheap] set of binoculars I had dropped. Was using my left eye to "level" the garage door image across the street through both barrels, then was sorely disappointed when I looked with both eyes and alternated closing each eye.
Then I had a funny idea and repeated it without the binoculars. SAME "tilt" for each eye! Yup, the optometrist knew about that variation among us humans too. It's just that almost nobody ever mentions it.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
I think the USAF 1951 resolution chart would work if there was a vendor that could produce it at a reasonable cost. I think the chart would have to be sourced from the same printer for it to be objective.
How would your chart differ and would you include specs on what printers would be acceptable to reproduce it?
I think the USAF 1951 resolution chart would work if there was a vendor that could produce it at a reasonable cost. I think the chart would have to be sourced from the same printer for it to be objective.
How would your chart differ and would you include specs on what printers would be acceptable to reproduce it?
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
How will you objectively measure a purely subjective matter.
Human population 7 bil. you go objectively measuring scopes you'll get 7 bil. objective measurings how does that help you?
For optics you get raw data but HOW YOU see through that optic is something ONLY YOU know (unless you have a CCD and USB port somewhere in the head to snap a quick one...). You could compare scopes with photographing them with the same camera and compare pictures but still wtf does that tell you. You americans (well some of you) tend to over analyze stuff and always try to find an angle in a circle (which can be a good treat in some areas). Just read the reviews, try the few interesting ones with your eyes and pick the one that feels the best to you and which you can afford without selling your wife (no matter how tempting idea that might be
).
How will you objectively measure a purely subjective matter.
Human population 7 bil. you go objectively measuring scopes you'll get 7 bil. objective measurings how does that help you?
For optics you get raw data but HOW YOU see through that optic is something ONLY YOU know (unless you have a CCD and USB port somewhere in the head to snap a quick one...). You could compare scopes with photographing them with the same camera and compare pictures but still wtf does that tell you. You americans (well some of you) tend to over analyze stuff and always try to find an angle in a circle (which can be a good treat in some areas). Just read the reviews, try the few interesting ones with your eyes and pick the one that feels the best to you and which you can afford without selling your wife (no matter how tempting idea that might be
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Did this scope ever get returned to Bushnell for service? I'd like to hear what they have to say about it.
Did this scope ever get returned to Bushnell for service? I'd like to hear what they have to say about it.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
After reading the OP's one star review for this scope on MidwayUSA, I too would like to know from him or Jeff Redding what the story ended up being with this scope.
I have a 4200 8-32x40, and it looks substantially clearer to my eye than my Monarch 5-20x44 without any chromatic aberration...but maybe my critical eye from my videography background is starting to go, and my 20-15 vision measured at USAF Medical Flight Screening is starting to slip too...
After reading the OP's one star review for this scope on MidwayUSA, I too would like to know from him or Jeff Redding what the story ended up being with this scope.
I have a 4200 8-32x40, and it looks substantially clearer to my eye than my Monarch 5-20x44 without any chromatic aberration...but maybe my critical eye from my videography background is starting to go, and my 20-15 vision measured at USAF Medical Flight Screening is starting to slip too...
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sorry for those who got their feelings hurt. If I had your addresses, I could send you a box of tissue.
I have very good eyesight 20/15 and above average color acuity. The trade off for that is poor night vision. I am used to looking at things in a perfect way. I'm also extremely sensitive to collimation. For those that look at the world in a blur, this does not pertain to you. Because I don't look at the world in a blur, it's quite distressing when I look through a scope and cannot get it focused to my 20/15. My brain therefore ties to compensate and puts strain on my eyes in an attempt to focus because I know what that looks like. I just can't look at blurred stuff for very long just as I can't look through poor collimated binoculars for very long.
It's interesting because I suppose most have no clue. It's the same with color blindness. Not everyone can experience what Swarovski is capable of doing when it comes to contrast.
Here's what chromatic aberration does. It's very difficult to get correct apparently because I've never looked through anything high power Bushnell that has ever been "not window screen".
I wasn't expecting Nightforce; I was expecting Bushnell and that's what I got. For anyone to put this scope at that level by comparison, cannot tell the difference. That's not meant to be disrespectful, it's just a fact.
It's sort of the same thing with intelligent people. Only intelligent people can recognize intelligence. Everyone else is just guessing. That's not meant as an insult because I firmly believe that ignorance is bliss.
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You are going to be real unhappy when you loose accommodation and need bifocals.
Feel sorry for your Optometrist.
Yes, I have a degree in Optometry degree, and an Engineering degree.
Have fun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sorry for those who got their feelings hurt. If I had your addresses, I could send you a box of tissue.
I have very good eyesight 20/15 and above average color acuity. The trade off for that is poor night vision. I am used to looking at things in a perfect way. I'm also extremely sensitive to collimation. For those that look at the world in a blur, this does not pertain to you. Because I don't look at the world in a blur, it's quite distressing when I look through a scope and cannot get it focused to my 20/15. My brain therefore ties to compensate and puts strain on my eyes in an attempt to focus because I know what that looks like. I just can't look at blurred stuff for very long just as I can't look through poor collimated binoculars for very long.
It's interesting because I suppose most have no clue. It's the same with color blindness. Not everyone can experience what Swarovski is capable of doing when it comes to contrast.
Here's what chromatic aberration does. It's very difficult to get correct apparently because I've never looked through anything high power Bushnell that has ever been "not window screen".
I wasn't expecting Nightforce; I was expecting Bushnell and that's what I got. For anyone to put this scope at that level by comparison, cannot tell the difference. That's not meant to be disrespectful, it's just a fact.
It's sort of the same thing with intelligent people. Only intelligent people can recognize intelligence. Everyone else is just guessing. That's not meant as an insult because I firmly believe that ignorance is bliss.
</div></div>
You are going to be real unhappy when you loose accommodation and need bifocals.
Feel sorry for your Optometrist.
Yes, I have a degree in Optometry degree, and an Engineering degree.
Have fun
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Guys,
I don't have a lot to report. Two Gun told me on 3/1 that he received the UPS shipping label. I followed up with another message on 3/15 checking on it because the scope hadn't came across my desk yet.
Two things could've happened:
1. The scope went straight to repairs without coming to my desk(that has happened on packages addressed to me...one time a full set of Sitka Gear clothing that was addressed to me at the office was returned to Sitka by our repair department with a note that said "not our products...Nice).
2. The scope hasn't been sent in yet.
...or I guess UPS could have lost it is another option. But I'm betting on 1 or 2.
I'll follow up with our Repair Dept and see if anything came through with Two Guns name on it.
Guys,
I don't have a lot to report. Two Gun told me on 3/1 that he received the UPS shipping label. I followed up with another message on 3/15 checking on it because the scope hadn't came across my desk yet.
Two things could've happened:
1. The scope went straight to repairs without coming to my desk(that has happened on packages addressed to me...one time a full set of Sitka Gear clothing that was addressed to me at the office was returned to Sitka by our repair department with a note that said "not our products...Nice).
2. The scope hasn't been sent in yet.
...or I guess UPS could have lost it is another option. But I'm betting on 1 or 2.
I'll follow up with our Repair Dept and see if anything came through with Two Guns name on it.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Anxious to see what you find out! I was just over at the Lenexa outlet center looking through the 6-24 and thought it looked great! I would have bought it there but Midway has a pretty good sale going on right now! Just ordered one today, then saw this thread. I was a little worried until I got through the whole thread!!
Sounds like I won't be disappointed and a great price as well!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grendel 6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys,
I don't have a lot to report. Two Gun told me on 3/1 that he received the UPS shipping label. I followed up with another message on 3/15 checking on it because the scope hadn't came across my desk yet.
Two things could've happened:
1. The scope went straight to repairs without coming to my desk(that has happened on packages addressed to me...one time a full set of Sitka Gear clothing that was addressed to me at the office was returned to Sitka by our repair department with a note that said "not our products...Nice).
2. The scope hasn't been sent in yet.
...or I guess UPS could have lost it is another option. But I'm betting on 1 or 2.
I'll follow up with our Repair Dept and see if anything came through with Two Guns name on it.
</div></div>
Anxious to see what you find out! I was just over at the Lenexa outlet center looking through the 6-24 and thought it looked great! I would have bought it there but Midway has a pretty good sale going on right now! Just ordered one today, then saw this thread. I was a little worried until I got through the whole thread!!
Sounds like I won't be disappointed and a great price as well!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grendel 6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys,
I don't have a lot to report. Two Gun told me on 3/1 that he received the UPS shipping label. I followed up with another message on 3/15 checking on it because the scope hadn't came across my desk yet.
Two things could've happened:
1. The scope went straight to repairs without coming to my desk(that has happened on packages addressed to me...one time a full set of Sitka Gear clothing that was addressed to me at the office was returned to Sitka by our repair department with a note that said "not our products...Nice).
2. The scope hasn't been sent in yet.
...or I guess UPS could have lost it is another option. But I'm betting on 1 or 2.
I'll follow up with our Repair Dept and see if anything came through with Two Guns name on it.
</div></div>
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Hey guys I bought a rifle a week of so ago and it came with a Bushnell 4200 6-24 on top of it.
I was anxious to see how it looked because of all the good things I was hearing about the value and clarity of these scopes.
The first time I looked threw mine I was very disapointed, it seemed quite unclear and dark to me.
I thought it might be me because I got used to my newly aquired USO but I let a friend of mine shoot it who uses bushnells on several of his scopes.
He said he couldn't even use it for load development and asked if he could put one of his bushnells on their instead, I said sure.
Their is quite a difference in picture sharpness and brightness between mine and his, I got to look at them both side by side.
I wounder if I just got a bad one or what, my friend says he thinks his nikon buckmaster is much clearer than my 4200 which tells me somethings wrong.
Can I still send it in even though I'm not the origional owner?
I think the guy I bought it from is going to send me the box it came in and maybe the paper work aswell.
Hey guys I bought a rifle a week of so ago and it came with a Bushnell 4200 6-24 on top of it.
I was anxious to see how it looked because of all the good things I was hearing about the value and clarity of these scopes.
The first time I looked threw mine I was very disapointed, it seemed quite unclear and dark to me.
I thought it might be me because I got used to my newly aquired USO but I let a friend of mine shoot it who uses bushnells on several of his scopes.
He said he couldn't even use it for load development and asked if he could put one of his bushnells on their instead, I said sure.
Their is quite a difference in picture sharpness and brightness between mine and his, I got to look at them both side by side.
I wounder if I just got a bad one or what, my friend says he thinks his nikon buckmaster is much clearer than my 4200 which tells me somethings wrong.
Can I still send it in even though I'm not the origional owner?
I think the guy I bought it from is going to send me the box it came in and maybe the paper work aswell.
Re: Bushnell Tactical 6-24x50 FFP First Impression
Ok cool I'll get it sent out on monday.
Thanks
Ok cool I'll get it sent out on monday.
Thanks
