California effectively bans all minors from shooting ranges/sports

[TexPatriot]

"...avoid any postings that involve under-18 marksmanship training, shooting clinics, hunting and firearms use. Don't talk about taking kids to the range. Don't post about rifles built or acquired for youngsters to shoot. Don't post about taking your kids or grandkids shooting."


Oh, ok. At least you can still post about taking your 45 yr. old developmentally delayed, shut-in friend or relative shooting and hunting for the first time.

Fuck Calif. and Californians. Don't come here with your grey pony-tails, worn out Mercedes and faggot lisps. Nobody wants to hear how you did things back in Calif.

 

[Longshot231]

They will try to raise the age for owning a gun to 21 but lower the age to vote to 16. Then they will let a preschooler determine their sex and 12-year-old boy have his testicles removed (against the parents wishes).

 

[GreenGO Juan]

California. The place your kids can get a sex change operation with out notifying their parents but cant go to a shooting range.

What a place..

 

[Baron23]

Not from CA.

But just in case someone wasn't paying attention.

Governor effectively has banned any minor (<18 yo) from going to shooting ranges or participating in any shooting sports. This is effective July 1, 2022 due to an EMERGENCY clause. lol

Organizations are already cancelling events (Boy Scouts, etc.) that involve any minors.

Will PRS, USPSA, UML, etc. follow?

Bill Text - AB-2571 Firearms: advertising to minors.

And who is suing Gov Hair Gel and his band of morons for far exceeding their statutory authority?

 

[Jgault]

My son from 4 years ago 100 yards with a red dot he was 12, can’t trust him to take out the damn garage but have no issues with a rifle in his hands. This law is about Turning future generations socialist nothing else, and if your worried about your kids and guns do something to fix your screwed up kid.

 

[The D]

All the uproar and potential lawsuits are fine and all but it would be nice if ranges, competitions, and any “adults” associated with this stuff would just fucking stop listening to the politician whores. Fuck them all. Stop letting them tell you how to live your life

At least as much civil disobedience as you’re willing to put up with. I’m not saying protest with pitch forks and torches. Just go about your day; indoor range trip, competition, or long range trip like you normally would.

 

[Nik H]

Fake news
I’m on there almost as much as I’m on here and I’ve seen nothing about this

Really

Here you go

Read

 

[TurboTrout]

"...avoid any postings that involve under-18 marksmanship training, shooting clinics, hunting and firearms use. Don't talk about taking kids to the range. Don't post about rifles built or acquired for youngsters to shoot. Don't post about taking your kids or grandkids shooting."


Oh, ok. At least you can still post about taking your 45 yr. old developmentally delayed, shut-in friend or relative shooting and hunting for the first time.

Fuck Calif. and Californians. Don't come here with your grey pony-tails, worn out Mercedes and faggot lisps. Nobody wants to hear how you did things back in Calif.

What is this off of?

“Avoid” normally translates to “ignore” for me


Ah, from the [should be ignored] law.

“A firearm industry member shall not advertise, market, or arrange for placement of an advertising or marketing communication concerning any firearm-related product in a manner that… reasonably appears to be attractive to minors.”



So as most at the range are not “industry members” I’d say, yeah, ignore and carry on.


OPs title is misleading

 

[wade2big]

All the uproar and potential lawsuits are fine and all but it would be nice if ranges, competitions, and any “adults” associated with this stuff would just fucking stop listening to the politician whores. Fuck them all. Stop letting them tell you how to live your life

At least as much civil disobedience as you’re willing to put up with. I’m not saying protest with pitch forks and torches. Just go about your day; indoor range trip, competition, or long range trip like you normally would.

That would have stopped the covid tyranny in its tracks that allowed the government to murder a million and more to come through the financing of a virus, legislation, executive order, poverty, and the vaxx. If it didn’t happen under those circumstances, i doubt it ever will.

 

[NiteQwill]

What is this off of?

“Avoid” normally translates to “ignore” for me


Ah, from the [should be ignored] law.

“A firearm industry member shall not advertise, market, or arrange for placement of an advertising or marketing communication concerning any firearm-related product in a manner that… reasonably appears to be attractive to minors.”



So as most at the range are not “industry members” I’d say, yeah, ignore and carry on.


OPs title is misleading

Read what the bill defines as an industry member, very general. This is intentional. The thread title is not misleading:

(4) “Firearm industry member” means any of the following:
(A) A person, firm, corporation, company, partnership, society, joint stock company, or any other entity or association engaged in the manufacture, distribution, importation, marketing, wholesale, or retail sale of firearm-related products.

A private retail store/range would qualify under this definition, unfortunately.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Agreed… At some point we need to wake up and remember this is a Republic, hopefully before it isn’t…

"A republic, if you can keep it"
Ben Franklin

 

[TurboTrout]

Read what the bill defines as an industry member, very general. This is intentional. The thread title is not misleading:

(4) “Firearm industry member” means any of the following:
(A) A person, firm, corporation, company, partnership, society, joint stock company, or any other entity or association engaged in the manufacture, distribution, importation, marketing, wholesale, or retail sale of firearm-related products.

A private retail store/range would qualify under this definition, unfortunately.

So how does this ban me from taking my kid shooting?

Advertise your range as a range, video it’s features, frankly that’s all you need, seeing kids shooting, adults shooting, midgets shooting, it really doesn’t sell the range as much as just a video and pics of the facilities

Again, it’s a BS “law” that should be ignored, but I don’t see how this keeps some person from taking their kid shooting.

A title of
“CA commie gov attacks small businesses in his fit of rage against free-speech”
would be better and more accurate.

 

[NiteQwill]

So how does this ban me from taking my kid shooting?

Advertise your range as a range, video it’s features, frankly that’s all you need, seeing kids shooting, adults shooting, midgets shooting, it really doesn’t sell the range as much as just a video and pics of the facilities

Again, it’s a BS “law” that should be ignored, but I don’t see how this keeps some person from taking their kid shooting.

I agree with you. But see this from an owner standpoint, this would effectively prevent you from accepting minors on your property. Not even necessarily from a legal standpoint, but from a liability insurance standpoint.

 

[Franko]

So how does this ban me from taking my kid shooting?

Advertise your range as a range, video it’s features, frankly that’s all you need, seeing kids shooting, adults shooting, midgets shooting, it really doesn’t sell the range as much as just a video and pics of the facilities

Again, it’s a BS “law” that should be ignored, but I don’t see how this keeps some person from taking their kid shooting.

The law doesn't apply to you. It is there to put the range owners, trainers. etc. out of business with the threat of high dollar lawsuits/fines. It also will work it's way into the insurance side of things and soon enough insurance policies won't allow kids to be on site.

It's intended to kill shooting sports and the culture by choking off the supply of new shooters. It's pretty diabolical.

 

[NiteQwill]

The law doesn't apply to you. It is there to put the range owners, trainers. etc. out of business with the threat of high dollar lawsuits/fines. It also will work it's way into the insurance side of things and soon enough insurance policies won't allow kids to be on site.

It's intended to kill shooting sports and the culture by choking off the supply of new shooters. It's pretty diabolical.

This is what everyone may be missing in this thread when they're saying "resist." Can't resist when a range owner tells you to leave.

 

[TurboTrout]

The law doesn't apply to you. It is there to put the range owners, trainers. etc. out of business with the threat of high dollar lawsuits/fines. It also will work it's way into the insurance side of things and soon enough insurance policies won't allow kids to be on site.

It's intended to kill shooting sports and the culture by choking off the supply of new shooters. It's pretty diabolical.

How does it do that?

Just mention the facilities or products and they can’t say you’re advertising to the “the children”.

 

[acudaowner]

and all I want is all the gold in the the New York Fed's gold vault neither one of them are enforceable or ever going to happen , but it does not stop me or them from dreaming

 

[NiteQwill]

How does it do that?

Just mention the facilities or products and they can’t say you’re advertising the “the children”.

(B) A person, firm, corporation, company, partnership, society, joint stock company, or any other entity or association formed for the express purpose of promoting, encouraging, or advocating for the purchase, use, or ownership of firearm-related products that does one of the following:
(i) Advertises firearm-related products.
(ii) Advertises events where firearm-related products are sold or used.
(iii) Endorses specific firearm-related products.
(iv) Sponsors or otherwise promotes events at which firearm-related products are sold or used.

 

[308pirate]

All the uproar and potential lawsuits are fine and all but it would be nice if ranges, competitions, and any “adults” associated with this stuff would just fucking stop listening to the politician whores. Fuck them all. Stop letting them tell you how to live your life

At least as much civil disobedience as you’re willing to put up with. I’m not saying protest with pitch forks and torches. Just go about your day; indoor range trip, competition, or long range trip like you normally would.

And post it online

 

[Franko]

How does it do that?

Just mention the facilities or products and they can’t say you’re advertising the “the children”.

State AG, local prosecutor, and any interested Karen will be able to hang the range owner up for anything that "promotes" guns to kids. So things like family discounts, kids safety training, fun targets (think the zombie targets and shit like that), etc.. The law is intentionally vague to strike the fear of lawsuits into the hearts of folks.

It also doesn't matter if the AG or local prosecutor is full of shit when they sue the range owner under the statute. They are using taxpayer money and the range has to defend using their own pocket money. That's a losing proposition.

 

[SharpsNitro]

Saw this post yesterday on accurateshooter.com, they are banning any content related to minors due to CA.

You are being redirected...

 

[308pirate]

This is what everyone may be missing in this thread when they're saying "resist." Can't resist when a range owner tells you to leave.

Have you ever heard of private clubs?

have you ever heard of ignoring the courts?

have you ever heard about feeding the woodchipper with agents of the state?

have you ever heard of revolt? Insurrection? Executions?

 

[308pirate]

State AG, local prosecutor, and any interested Karen will be able to hang the range owner up for anything that "promotes" guns to kids. So things like family discounts, kids safety training, fun targets (think the zombie targets and shit like that), etc.. The law is intentionally vague to strike the fear of lawsuits into the hearts of folks.

It also doesn't matter if the AG or local prosecutor is full of shit when they sue the range owner under the statute. They are using taxpayer money and the range has to defend using their own pocket money. That's a losing proposition.

Have you ever heard of private clubs?
have you ever heard of ignoring the courts?
have you ever heard about feeding the woodchipper with agents of the state?
have you ever heard of revolt? Insurrection? Executions?

The fucking leftits are openly threatening our judges. How about some retaliation?

Oh that's right........obey the law

 

[TurboTrout]

State AG, local prosecutor, and any interested Karen will be able to hang the range owner up for anything that "promotes" guns to kids. So things like family discounts, kids safety training, fun targets (think the zombie targets and shit like that), etc.. The law is intentionally vague to strike the fear of lawsuits into the hearts of folks.

It also doesn't matter if the AG or local prosecutor is full of shit when they sue the range owner under the statute. They are using taxpayer money and the range has to defend using their own pocket money. That's a losing proposition.

So don’t advertise a kid discount, I mean I don’t think that’s really bringing in that much business anyways.

Per the targets, man that would be a stretch, I’m a grown man and I have shot some of those with my grown friends, especially with the popularity of the walking dead, that’s a stretch even by CA commie standards.

Or maybe GOA could weigh in, get a local big range to just throw the finger to that unconstitutional BS. and release the lawyers if CA is dumb enough to take the bait.

Again, I don’t see how this would stop most anyone from taking their crotch fruit out shooting.


Title still sucks.

 

[NiteQwill]

Have you ever heard of private clubs?

have you ever heard of ignoring the courts?

have you ever heard about feeding the woodchipper with agents of the state?

have you ever heard of revolt? Insurrection? Executions?

What private club doesn't have liability insurance? Name one.

I'm not engaging with you. And while I agree with you, you can't change reality of someone whose livelihood depends on following the law.

 

[Franko]

Have you ever heard of private clubs?
have you ever heard of ignoring the courts?
have you ever heard about feeding the woodchipper with agents of the state?
have you ever heard of revolt? Insurrection? Executions?

The fucking leftits are openly threatening our judges. How about some retaliation?

Oh that's right........obey the law

We obey laws because we have things to protect. Ignoring them means you risk losing all; and if your really unlucky somebody here who posts on the LE/Mil form might just kick in your door shoot your dog and then fill you full of holes.

 

[Franko]

So don’t advertise a kid discount, I mean I don’t think that’s really bringing in that much business anyways.

Per the targets, man that would be a stretch, I’m a grown man and I have shot some of those with my grown friends, especially with the popularity of the walking dead, that’s a stretch even by CA commie standards.

Or maybe GOA could weigh in, get a local big range to just throw the finger to that unconstitutional BS. and release the lawyers if CA is dumb enough to take the bait.

Again, I don’t see how this would stop most anyone from taking their crotch fruit out shooting.


Title still sucks.

My hope is that CRPA or another major will take this up. That's why we donate money.

 

[NiteQwill]

Here you go guys, the CRPA specifically addresses what everyone is talking about in here:

GUN OWNERS’ RIGHTS GROUPS JOIN TOGETHER IN COURT TO STOP GOVERNOR NEWSOM’S ATTEMPT TO END YOUTH SHOOTING IN CALIFORNIA - CRPA

July 7, 2022- Last Friday Governor Newsom signed AB 2571 into law under an emergency...

crpa.org

Newsom Attacks Youth Shooting Program and Next Generation - CRPA

LEGAL ALERT $25,000 Fines Possible ASSEMBLY BILL 2571 SIGNED INTO LAW TOOK EFFECT IMMEDIATELY- July...

crpa.org

 

[TurboTrout]

We obey laws because we have things to protect. Ignoring them means you risk losing all; and if your really unlucky somebody here who posts on the LE/Mil form might just kick in your door shoot your dog and then fill you full of holes.

They are coming for it all anyways.

 

[Franko]

They are coming for it all anyways.

I hope you are wrong but fear that you are right.

 

[candyx]

Thats fine gives the youth more time to attend Drag Queen Story Hour ......

 

[TurboTrout]

I hope you are wrong but fear that you are right.

When has giving, I mean “finding common ground” with the left ever made things better?

 

[Franko]

When has giving, I mean “finding common ground” with the left ever made things better?

It doesn't anymore, and that's a problem we all are going to suffer though.

 

[TurboTrout]

It doesn't anymore, and that's a problem we all are going to suffer though.

It never has.

 

[Jsp556]

Hopefully this can be applied to the movie industry. Where else other than FPS games are guns more romanticized? Hope it’s applied to armed services and police recruitment as well.

 

[308pirate]

We obey laws because we have things to protect. Ignoring them means you risk losing all; and if your really unlucky somebody here who posts on the LE/Mil form might just kick in your door shoot your dog and then fill you full of holes.

Ya I'm so fucking scared

Bend over franko, and say thank you.

 

[308pirate]

Here you go guys, the CRPA specifically addresses what everyone is talking about in here:

GUN OWNERS’ RIGHTS GROUPS JOIN TOGETHER IN COURT TO STOP GOVERNOR NEWSOM’S ATTEMPT TO END YOUTH SHOOTING IN CALIFORNIA - CRPA

July 7, 2022- Last Friday Governor Newsom signed AB 2571 into law under an emergency...

crpa.org

Newsom Attacks Youth Shooting Program and Next Generation - CRPA

LEGAL ALERT $25,000 Fines Possible ASSEMBLY BILL 2571 SIGNED INTO LAW TOOK EFFECT IMMEDIATELY- July...

crpa.org

Just keep being good boys and obey the law

 

[TurboTrout]

Hopefully this can be applied to the movie industry. Where else other than FPS games are guns more romanticized? Hope it’s applied to armed services and police recruitment as well.

 

[308pirate]

What private club doesn't have liability insurance?

Enjoy your chains

 

[tomcatmv]

My buddies and I were hunting and camping with our guns, without some adult slowing us down, since we were 12.

I earned my Marksmanship merit badge in Scouts when I was 11.

Me too.

 

[NiteQwill]

Enjoy your chains

Um, I don't live in CA

Edit: to add... I've never shot a match or at a range where they didn't require you to sign a waiver for insurance purposes. Don't sign the waiver, don't shoot...

 

[TurboTrout]

Um, I don't live in CA

Edit: to add... I've never shot a match or at a range where they didn't require you to sign a waiver for insurance purposes. Don't sign the waiver, don't shoot...

Wonder how many ranges just don’t insure.

Frankly to be a responsible person these days, the TV sayz I should insure everything from my phone to car to my dog, shit….

 

[NiteQwill]

Wonder how many ranges just don’t insure.

Those that have customers, probably close to zero. Most municipalities require insurance for a business license.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

What’s the military have to say about this?

State of CA has no jurisdiction on military bases

 

[Steve_In_29]

State of CA has no jurisdiction on military bases

Yes they do. DoD gave it to them.

 

[NiteQwill]

State of CA has no jurisdiction on military bases

Yes and no. Bases on CA certainly follow state laws in regards to use of their ranges. Try shooting a personally owned suppressor or unregistered "CA AW" on Camp Pendleton, Point Magu, Miramar, etc you're gonna meet a nice military police officer followed by a federal magistrate.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

You are being redirected...

Is that a CA based website ? I agree with @308pirate …what an embarrassment

 

[NiteQwill]

Is that a CA based website ? I agree with @308pirate …what an embarrassment

No. But the extension of certain AGs goes over borders. Dumb, yes. But this is why AGs in some states can successfully sue and prosecute 80% manufacturers in some states.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Yes and no. Bases on CA certainly follow state laws in regards to use of their ranges. Try shooting a personally owned suppressor or unregistered "CA AW" on Camp Pendleton, Point Magu, Miramar, etc you're gonna meet a nice military police officer followed by a federal magistrate.

That’s terrible….I remember a thread on here talking about how out of state residents can get a waiver to shoot competitions on military bases with suppressors a few years ago

 

[NiteQwill]

That’s terrible….I remember a thread on here talking about how out of state residents can get a waiver to shoot competitions on military bases with suppressors a few years ago

CA Penal Code does have a strange exception to their assault weapon law. I know cuz I've traveled and shot matches at Camp SLO and Pendleton with my own non-CA friendly rifle.