Hey what about us light weight gay tigers? I mean I have a gt in an ar15 for my yote gun that I run 58 vmax or 70 nosler in.
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Chasing Gear, the broken record of shooting lighter calibers
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This theory is what will hopefully wake up the 6 ARC in a bolt gun, running a 95 vld or a 95 TMK at 3000+. The higher bolt gun pressure guidelines for this cartridge have really peaked my curiosity, so much so I screwed a proof pre fit on my origin to test it. After I shoot all these factory 108s and reload em up we’ll see what she can do.
Shooting lighter non speed demon calibers is enjoyable and less taxing on the barrel bank account. Seems like shooting a 223 in PRS tac class is growing in popularity.
it'd be awesome to see hornady make a 95gr eld-m in 6mm
it'd be the goldilocks
a bit how the 75gr eld-m is for 22cal
it'd be the goldilocks
a bit how the 75gr eld-m is for 22cal
I would shoot
250s or solids around 275
300NM the 215s vs the 230
300PRC 225
6.5 PRC I would use ATIPs
250s or solids around 275
300NM the 215s vs the 230
300PRC 225
6.5 PRC I would use ATIPs
224 Valkyrie is an awesome little performer even within the constraints of the AR platform. The 75 gr stuff performs out to at least 900 yards straight out of the box, with a better bullet even further. No hassle with primers or powder in the current environment and allows for practice without breaking the bank.
I’ve got a couple hundred of the 135 gr ATips to try out in the old 6.5 CM, 130 RDFs for the 6.5x47.
@lowlight some of us have been listening all along…
I’ve got a couple hundred of the 135 gr ATips to try out in the old 6.5 CM, 130 RDFs for the 6.5x47.
@lowlight some of us have been listening all along…
Do you need a 10 round magazine on your rifle?
If not, get a Blaser R8.
A Blaser R8 in 308 is app 3" shorter than a 700sa (and almost 4" shorter than a 700la) when both rifles have the same barrel length.
The R8 with 24" barrels in 22lr, 223rem and 338 Lapua mag has the same total rifle length.
Choice of caliber, given same barrel length, do not affect rifle overall length.
Any barrelsmith can now make barrels for the R8.
Blaser barrel extention for custom barrels:
If not, get a Blaser R8.
A Blaser R8 in 308 is app 3" shorter than a 700sa (and almost 4" shorter than a 700la) when both rifles have the same barrel length.
The R8 with 24" barrels in 22lr, 223rem and 338 Lapua mag has the same total rifle length.
Choice of caliber, given same barrel length, do not affect rifle overall length.
Any barrelsmith can now make barrels for the R8.
Blaser barrel extention for custom barrels:
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Unfortunately,
Blaser is not very good for what we are doing, I am sure we can spin up quick with them, but nobody really uses them here so we don't have anyone I know of who works on them to fit out needs
With those extensions you might see someone try it, But the configuration of the rifle is not very US friendly at all, stock, mounts, etc, nothing works like we do here.
There is no R8 "action" to speak of ... so it would never get accepted as it currently stands, it's more lever gun style vs bolt action like we are used too
Blaser is not very good for what we are doing, I am sure we can spin up quick with them, but nobody really uses them here so we don't have anyone I know of who works on them to fit out needs
With those extensions you might see someone try it, But the configuration of the rifle is not very US friendly at all, stock, mounts, etc, nothing works like we do here.
There is no R8 "action" to speak of ... so it would never get accepted as it currently stands, it's more lever gun style vs bolt action like we are used too
an AI AX MC/SR does the same thing regarding rifle OAL with same barrel lengthsDo you need a 10 round magazine on your rifle?
If not, get a Blaser R8.
A Blaser R8 in 308 is app 3" shorter than a 700sa when both rifles have the same barrel length.
The R8 with 24" barrels in 22lr, 223rem and 338 Lapua mag has the same total rifle length.
Choice of caliber, given same barrel length, do not affect rifle overall length.
Any barrelsmith can now make barrels for the R8.
Blaser barrel extention for custom barrels:
and is way more available and usable than an R8
We were not used to the Blaser either 20 years ago.
Now the R8 is sweeping the floor with all other hi end rifles in Europe.
Here's GRS riflestock's 338LM. If the barrel was 223 it would have looked identical.
(The AI AX MC/SR is 4" longer given same barrel length and has double weight)
Now the R8 is sweeping the floor with all other hi end rifles in Europe.
Here's GRS riflestock's 338LM. If the barrel was 223 it would have looked identical.
(The AI AX MC/SR is 4" longer given same barrel length and has double weight)
Why are you focused on length ?
Many will run suppressors, and other things, plus you can really make a Rifle 22" and get pretty much 100% performance, stick a can on it
But nobody will go that way here, we have too many custom options
Many will run suppressors, and other things, plus you can really make a Rifle 22" and get pretty much 100% performance, stick a can on it
But nobody will go that way here, we have too many custom options
and nobody is running Long Action stuff really, medium in the 6.5PRC is pretty much max,
In the ELR Courses you'll see LA stuff, the MCs, the SRs, but not in normal competition so the rifles are actually smaller when comparing the AI stuff, it's not the MCs / SRs being used, but the SA models like the ATX
In the ELR Courses you'll see LA stuff, the MCs, the SRs, but not in normal competition so the rifles are actually smaller when comparing the AI stuff, it's not the MCs / SRs being used, but the SA models like the ATX
MDT
.224 Valkyrie MDT Polymer AICS Magazine
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EDIT: The all important make it hold ten or more rounds. I have not tested this but it should work.
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I'm guessing the big draw is that you can use a small frame AR platform or a bolt action platform that was only designed to be big enough for the .223 rifles.
Only holds 10 223 size. 8 if you load 224V.
Barrel life...
factory ammo, the 22 is pretty fringe right now, I have seen maybe 4 people play with them and each one has spent time in the grass hunting for brass
There is a lot of wisdom in this thread... for those taking the time to absorb it.
Great stuff! Not just applying to Valkyrie!
Sirhr
Great stuff! Not just applying to Valkyrie!
Sirhr
they have Valk Megs and a Normal 308 will hold 14
The old Alpha Mags hold the rounds tight
The old Alpha Mags hold the rounds tight
Then buy the MDT metal 12 rd. 6 BR mag that people say works with the Valkyrie. Guys with AICS will be SOL when a COF requires a reload?
No need to get snippy. Guy asked what mag holds 10 SPC-sized cases, the linked MDT mag doesn’t do so, and now everybody who wants 10 rounds in their mag is a moron?
Sounds like there’s some mags that’ll do the requested job, good to know.
Everybody wants to be spoon fed and whine when I don't give them a link to the ball colored pink. My bad. Maybe do a little research. You're welcome for my time you paid nothing.
True, true…
Let’s just say that when I’ve taken women and youngsters out for their first rifle session, I bring a .223 bolt that’s sweet, my .260 in comp format, an AR in .223 and an AR I put together for mid-long range fun. Every time, they smile from ear to ear shooting the .224v after shooting all the others.
It’s just a pleasure to shoot. Very light recoil and great results down range. Yes, the .223 is also a light shooter, but neither platform gets the nod over .224v. Just my small sample experience.
Who only ever buys only 1 mag? Serious question.
I guess that hunters might be the answer. But I make sure I have two mags for even hunting only calibers. Habit I guess. More for competition calibers.
No where. But the topic was an R8 being shorter than a similar AI with same barrel length. So if thats the comparison then throw a DT in there and you get a really short platform for equal barrel length
The one other thing nice about the R8 is that you pretty much never have to worry about the rounds being too long, no matter how long they are.
30-06 round and there is almost an inch of clearance left in the magazine for longer rounds.
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I don’t know man I took this rifle and went 2nd round at 1 mile. I understand the benefits of added BC. But I tend to run light for cartridge Projo’s and it never seems to hold me back.
These may not have been light for cartridge, but it’s pretty damn light for 1k plus.
I've been using 140's in my 6.5 CM, and have been wondering about going down to around 130s.....if any show up. What rate of twist is your gun?
I tried those Rem accelerators in 30-30 and they shot pretty well.....
I wish I had had this one out there with me. I was waiting to toss it into a chassis. This shoots waaaay better than that old thing I had with me. Hell I’m not even sure the one I had with me was zeroed. Shssssh, don’t tell anyone.
That being said, the thing I think the Valk gives over the 223 is room to grow without over pressure. And the thing it gives over the 223AI is factory ammo
How much wind are you sacrificing? The difference between a 130 and 140 is what? A 1/10th?Lighter projectiles are great, as long as they don't sacrifice more BC than the corresponding gain in velocity, when each is expressed as a wind hold. Unfortunately, the only "light" projectiles that win that battle are solids
Yeah that's a very good point. It does very much have room to grow. I started to build one a few years back, but a conversation with a barrel manufacturer rep turned me off of it completely. That was in relation to a gas gun though, and I much prefer the bolt accept in obvious gas gun situations. This really has me thinking about getting a bolt and barrel for a .224V
Of course, I am still waiting on my terminus bolt that I ordered last August, so that's probably not going to happen anytime soon, even if I wanted it to....
Yeah I get it. I had Red beard hook me up with their version of an Impact and they turned it around in less than 3 months.
I would definitely go another way now but I'm too invested on ghe Zeus set up. He sent me ghe action, and I have another Zeus that I bought used that does have a bolt. I am just missing the bolt for the new Zeus action. I am swaping the bolt between the two right now, but I'd sure like to have bolt I am supposed to have. I'm literally "chasing gear".....
Awesome action just doesn't work without the bolt....
Old news of course but it seems to me the 70gr RDF is a good example of what Lowlight is getting at in the OP. (At least in concept.) Get the velocity and recoil of a 69gr SMK, but keep the b.c. of a 75-80+gr OTM. Win win, if it’ll shoot.
For me it mostly didn’t shoot until I found a particular barrel that likes it. Now I’m pushing it to 3,100 in a 20” AR, standard 223/5.56 not the 224V, loaded long with cut mags and loaded hot with Lever. I like it better than the 75/77 stuff and it’s easy to shoot and hit with.
I agree with Lowlight about going lighter with gear and bullets where it’s appropriate. Not everything needs to be a heavy rifle, but then I think that heavy rifle trend is mostly specific to the PRS crowd.
First time I ever shot the 6.5 Creed at 1,000 was with a 123 A-Max, and it was loaded mild. Still easy hits; it didn’t need heavy bullets or hot loads to get there. And that was in an 8 lb hunting rifle.
For me it mostly didn’t shoot until I found a particular barrel that likes it. Now I’m pushing it to 3,100 in a 20” AR, standard 223/5.56 not the 224V, loaded long with cut mags and loaded hot with Lever. I like it better than the 75/77 stuff and it’s easy to shoot and hit with.
I agree with Lowlight about going lighter with gear and bullets where it’s appropriate. Not everything needs to be a heavy rifle, but then I think that heavy rifle trend is mostly specific to the PRS crowd.
First time I ever shot the 6.5 Creed at 1,000 was with a 123 A-Max, and it was loaded mild. Still easy hits; it didn’t need heavy bullets or hot loads to get there. And that was in an 8 lb hunting rifle.
I’ve been shooting the 123gr Scenars out of my 6.5 Creedmoor match gun lately. Previously was shooting 140gr Hornady BTHPs at about 2700. Why 2700? Because that’s where the accuracy was with that bullet. Im pushing the 123gr Scenars at about 2940 because that’s where I found best accuracy with that bullet. What I’ve found is the 123gr gives up no wind to the 140 until past 1000 yards and it uses 1.5 mils less elevation with noticeably less recoil. What’s not to like?
Well, there is one thing…. The 123gr at 2940 won’t make the minimum power factor for NRL Hunter. That is quite irritating as I have killed a bunch of stuff with my Creedmoors and bullets less than 140gr and it works great.
John
If talking about 6.5, I shoot the Berger 153.5 @ 3260 and Badlands 135 @ 3410 out of a Sherman Max. But if I were shooting a Creed case, it would be a quarter bore with a 131 Blackjack or 133 or 135 Berger.
