I think you quoted the wrong person. I never said I was worried about anything or that I agreed with any of the posts about not resisting.
In fact I agreed with you except for the statement about the language of a confiscation directive.
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I think you quoted the wrong person. I never said I was worried about anything or that I agreed with any of the posts about not resisting.
In fact I agreed with you except for the statement about the language of a confiscation directive.
This is all doomsday talk, and hopefully none of it ever transpires. However, if it ever comes to it, I believe that expending your efforts to defend your freedom at your own front door is poor planning and poor execution for most of us for several reasons. That is completely what the left thinks is going to happen and is counting on. The alternatives are known. No need to talk about them. The first thing is to Vote in November and try to avoid it!
I think most thought like you did - When I saw the news clips of east coast Caucasian males/females lying flat on their bellies asking forgiveness from blm and many others - including a squad of Pennsylvania National Guard members taking a knee - I, for the 1st time in my life, realized we truly have a 5th column in the USA and it's something that has to be reckoned with - now.
When a National Guardsmen will take a knee to the blm when given the command to do so by the State's Governor - never thought I'd ever see such a thing. Every one of those Guardsmen taking a knee should now be out of uniform and be a social outcast, as they dishonored everything sacred in life, such as honor, character, duty and the list goes on.
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When the British tried to restrict the guns in the USA they incited the birth of our Nation. I suspect that the vast majority of people in the USA will either comply with a ban, turn in guns, hide them away, or just ignore any new restrictive laws. Most folks don't want to risk both their lives and the lives of their family members through open conflict.
The unknown "X" factor is what Antifa/BLM/communists/socialists/ and the far left does during this time. This past summer, the rioting done by BLM and Antifa brought open civil war very close to many people. I think that Antifa/BLM got told to "BACK OFF" by their leaders because they could tell that continuing the rioting was going to really help Trump get re-elected. If Biden gets elected and enacts draconian gun laws, AND there is a resurgence of Antifa/BLM violence, there is no telling how things will shake out.
I just hope we never get into an open conflict in the streets, shooting type civil war. We just couldn't predict if the police who want to seize guns would side with, or against Antifa/BLM..or if Antifa/BLM will continue being the useful idiots for those who actually want to seize power from Biden/Harris/congress. We could very well see a many sided civil war involving the following groups
:
1. Biden/Harris/congress
2. Antifa/BLM/communists/socialists/anarchists
3. The police/military
4. Right wing citizens
5. Various alliances of the four groups above.
I sure hope that never happens.
The unknown "X" factor is what Antifa/BLM/communists/socialists/ and the far left does during this time. This past summer, the rioting done by BLM and Antifa brought open civil war very close to many people. I think that Antifa/BLM got told to "BACK OFF" by their leaders because they could tell that continuing the rioting was going to really help Trump get re-elected. If Biden gets elected and enacts draconian gun laws, AND there is a resurgence of Antifa/BLM violence, there is no telling how things will shake out.
I just hope we never get into an open conflict in the streets, shooting type civil war. We just couldn't predict if the police who want to seize guns would side with, or against Antifa/BLM..or if Antifa/BLM will continue being the useful idiots for those who actually want to seize power from Biden/Harris/congress. We could very well see a many sided civil war involving the following groups
:
1. Biden/Harris/congress
2. Antifa/BLM/communists/socialists/anarchists
3. The police/military
4. Right wing citizens
5. Various alliances of the four groups above.
I sure hope that never happens.
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Confirms my initial suspicions of what a pussy ass coward this motherfucker is. From his posts on other boards, he seems to be someone who will cower in his fucking closet, whimpering, when he hears noises that sound like somebody breaking into his place at night. And this BITCH wants to send other (armed) men to their deaths in the act of forcibly taking the legal property of other Americans... Typical mindset of all of the pansy leftist CUCKS in the media who had never worked one day of hard physical labor in their fucking lives...
A forum dedicated to the sufferers of psoriasis??? LOL. If people with fucking eczema needs an emotional support board, then all of America's farmers, ranchers, and other infrastructure workers who toil in blazing heat and nut-freezing cold every day will need 24/7 emotional support nurses to pamper and soothe them all the time...
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Here is my 2 cents on this debate. There is a breaking point in any person, no one knows where it is exactly or how they will handle it when it confronts them. In the face of a real gun confiscation I think it will be a breaking point for tens of millions of Americans. Some will fold as the Tories in this post opine but there will be those who when surrounded by superior numbers will just say "Nuts" and throw down. That will start a fire, that once started, will not stop or abate. And while I donot know how I will choose to go when this calamity reveals itself, all I can say is ,"Live Free or Die!"
The vast, vast majority (90%+) of LE support gun ownership. I was born and raised in, and was a cop in Southern California for 10 years and thats the sentiment. Period.
The "progressive" neo-liberal-totalitarian-leftist-socialist-pinko-commie movement and their supporting politicians are the issue.
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And I will add, the big metro areas that this movement thrives in has infected the younger generation of recruits and new officers. They are quickly molding them into their agenda for the totalitarian rule of the future.
The "vast majority" of cops might support gun ownership...until their pension in threatened...then they do what theyre told.
the "oath" they took to uphold the constitution is nothing more than ceremonial salad dressing to many cops.
hell, look at how many are willing to enforce draconian mask and assembly laws.....look at how many are more than happy to serve "red flag" confiscations.
look at how police treat "right wing" protestors compared to how they treat radical communist terrorists.
if the constitution doesnt apply to a few.....it doesnt apply to any.
Big assumptions. Only time will tell if you're correct.
Two things:
1. I hope you're not proven right
2. If proven right, we all better switch from talking (i.e. standard stuff like assembly, elections, etc.) to action.
Again, we can speculate all we want on how we will react and the same can be said for law enforcement, national guard, military or whoever else they anoint to do their dirty work.
I've seen more officers quit the job in the last 6 months over the bullshit they have been exposed to and their pensions were not worth the injustice they dealing with every day.
If you've ever worn a mask to enter a grocery store you will 100% comply with any confiscation orders.
No it's called picking your battles
Gun confiscations probably wouldn't happen until 20 or 30 years from now. No, the plan would be to get all semi autos under the NFA to collect taxes on them. Also, to make it so these weapons are non transferable. In other words you wouldn't be able to hand them down to your kids. So, you're not going to register your weapons, big deal when you pass these weapons will be confiscated then. You won't be around to do shit about it. In 20 or 30 years from now they will have made even more people hate these weapons, maybe even your kids. Heck 20 or 30 years down the road your kids will have kids of their own and may have to way the decision to fight and there will be less people on the right side at that point. They are call Progressives for a reason.
I have a TON to loose, and you're right, most people won't fight for their liberty. History hath shewn that only 3% will fight.
Trying to disarm us has a 100% chance of widespread defiance, and a massive chance of violence, period.
Arms confiscation lit off the revolution, and it most certainly will again even though 97% of people will stay out of it. https://www.reference.com/history/did-battles-lexington-concord-happen-6a6a114c7d12256a
One half of one percent of Americans signed the paper to give up their own liberty to defend your liberty without you asking and with no thanks required. If 3% turn out for our Constitution it will be a largest army in the world dwarfing our entire military. Include all federal and state police, and every police officer in every municipality (that assumes every one of those is a robot who will go full totalitarian if ordered to murder civilians exercising their rights), and it will still be less than half the size of the patriot army.
You haven't thought this through. Taking on all the American people is suicide, and that is exactly how our founders intended it.
Trying to disarm us has a 100% chance of widespread defiance, and a massive chance of violence, period.
Arms confiscation lit off the revolution, and it most certainly will again even though 97% of people will stay out of it. https://www.reference.com/history/did-battles-lexington-concord-happen-6a6a114c7d12256a
One half of one percent of Americans signed the paper to give up their own liberty to defend your liberty without you asking and with no thanks required. If 3% turn out for our Constitution it will be a largest army in the world dwarfing our entire military. Include all federal and state police, and every police officer in every municipality (that assumes every one of those is a robot who will go full totalitarian if ordered to murder civilians exercising their rights), and it will still be less than half the size of the patriot army.
You haven't thought this through. Taking on all the American people is suicide, and that is exactly how our founders intended it.
loose - not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached.
lose - be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something).
lose - be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something).
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No response from 81,000 gun owners
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No response from 81,000 gun owners
In New York, Gun Owners Balk At New Handgun Database
A plan to have gun owners in New York register their handguns has sparked anger. State officials say a database will help keep guns out of the hands of people who legally shouldn't have them.
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Your logic and premise are flawed. Here is why.
If the Commies get power YOU will be one of the downtrodden poors.
So remember that.
I will be in a firefight and I will take a Commie down.
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My guns (not that I ever had any other than BB and airsoft) were all given away. But I do still have about a dozen murderous fishing poles/reels if I could ever figure out how to fish /bait the right shit in Lake Belton. Are they coming for those too?
I'm talking to you Bobby Francis O'Pork. Molon Labe. It is Texas mofo.
I'm talking to you Bobby Francis O'Pork. Molon Labe. It is Texas mofo.
Meh, think whatever you want. If you were actually one of us you would not already be defeated. Sounds to me like you've already chosen.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - SA
As for us...
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - SA
As for us...
The refusal to fight for ones liberty causes said liberty to become LOOSE, and as a result they will surely LOSE it.
not that my response is soley directed towards you, but this is a popular sediment in the "2a community"
all I can say is good luck with that at 2am when they come in with a no knock. It's hard to sling lead when you're half asleep, half dressed and already eating the front porch steps in cuffs.
people have no clue about SHTF or gun confiscation, we all think we are going to be standing watch, waiting for them to enter.
fact is, they have 1000 times more resources than we do and if they want to single you out, they will.
your neighbors are of no help, either.
at some point we have to drop the rambo BS and think rationally, and intently.
I think you missed my point. Timing is everything. I'm not arguing that we're going to hell in a handbasket under socialism and/or communism. I agree with you. I'm arguing that if disarmament happens now, while the overwhelming majority of the population is prosperous and enjoying an unprecedented standard of living, few people will take any meaningful action to directly rebel against confiscation. If disarmament came after a sharp downturn in the economy, the "come and take it" thing would have a lot more merit. The left knows this. I think they see the storm on the horizon and they're looking to take action now while they can do so without major issues.
I stand with everyone here that confiscation is an enormous issue that should not be taken likely. I just don't have faith that the many of us will follow through with the hardline responses that are getting tossed around. When the time comes, most will fold and those left standing will get steamrolled. I never said what I'd do if and when the time came either, I just don't see aggression being an effective solution.
I tend to agree with the poster above that it'll be a lot like prohibition. A lot of firearms would go underground and if and when public support swung in favor of resistors, they'd come out then... when there was at least a snowballs chance in hell of their effective use.
If all this went down tomorrow, or in the near future, firing shots at those charged with carrying out confiscation would be retarded. It's not going to do anything for the "cause" other than getting yourself killed so that you could feel like a hero for the second or two before your brain is turned to jelly by incoming fire.
The poster above said it best. The Rambo shit needs to go. There's a time and a place for it, but it's not now. Winning over the sentiment of the general public, pursuing (and funding) legal challenges to impending legislation and supporting your local representatives that value the second amendment is what we should be focusing on. If you skip all that and go right to "shooting through doors" you're the ones giving up. Shelve the badassery until it's absolutely necessary.
Did you bother to think that anyone that refuses to give them up would most likely be prepared for this to begin with and the ones that do hand them in would have been bagged and tagged without a fight anyway.
I pretty much sleep with one eye open so if it comes to breaking down doors at 2am to confiscate firearms it's going to be a bad night for everyone.
That isn't the way this is going to begin anyway as another poster above alluded to.
if you are awake, if you aren't completely startled, if you don't freeze in panic for even a milli second, if you can quickly put hands on your weapon, if you can get clear of your own bedroom door, if you can see sights clearly in a half sleep daze, if you can squeeze one round off before 20 come back at you. either way your dead, for what? Politics? for a one day headline in your local paper?
You're just another wacko to the vast majority of on lookers at that point , and when you're dead, you can't effect change, because you're dead.
yeah, good luck John Rambo.
the VAST majority of people who comment on these threads haven't thought through what it really takes to make the type of stands they talk about making. nor are they anywhere near as prepared as they think they are.
The TRUELY prepared and the ones who actually could survive and probably never get their guns taken are so far under the radar it's unreal, they for sure aren't on internet message boards dreaming rambo fantasies.
we have to think a little deeper than "Imma kill redcoats"
take it for whatever you think its worth.
This thread has crushed the likelihood of keeping arms far more than the left ever could.
Arguing on here is depressing, to say the least.
Don't take this the wrong way but the SAFE ACT in NY is approaching its 8th year of being law and none of what you've described above has done us any favors.
So remembering things like Waco and Branch Davidians, when you are overmatched you lose. Not news.
Now remember The OK City attack by McVeigh.
Even if Trump wins, there won’t be an end to the Leftist push to completely overthrow the US.
If the Left manages to install their Commie puppet we have big problems for sure.
In reading Mao, it only takes 10% of a population to effect a revolution.
Do you think they have 10%?
I do.
Now remember The OK City attack by McVeigh.
Even if Trump wins, there won’t be an end to the Leftist push to completely overthrow the US.
If the Left manages to install their Commie puppet we have big problems for sure.
In reading Mao, it only takes 10% of a population to effect a revolution.
Do you think they have 10%?
I do.
You're missing the point. I'm not saying we all need to turn into Rambos but wouldn't the situation already be beyond a peaceful solution if the Government was sending heavily armed thugs to break your door down in the middle of the night?
At that point we either have a very rogue Government or I haven't complied with a mandatory buy back, registration or relinquishment of firearms and I'm expecting the worst.
I don't know about that. I left NY just a few years ago and firearms are pretty easy to come by. They go for about twice what they go for down here, but they're sure as hell easy enough to get. NFA stuff is harder to find, but if you do, it's usually cheaper than legit stuff. Often a lot cheaper. HiPoints and those little Saturday night specials in .25ACP are all over the place. Kind of like prohibition.
Fair enough with that backstory.
I suppose I must apologize. I dont want to sound as harsh as I may. This is a topic where much thought and thinking through several avenues is worth it.
How far into to it before it gets unmanageable is the question?
My guess is 90 days.
Meaning if gun confiscation started today, it would be 90 days before anyone truly took notice AND started a counter campaign on any meaningful level.
Let's say there are 100 mill gun owners, which is a fair assessment probably.
Half of those (maybe more) are done at the first sign of a police car.
So we have 50 million left. A third of those will be rounded up let's say. Leaving us with roughly 30 million folks..... taking the often quoted 3% number we have about 300,000 willing to take any action.
Out of that number more than half are probably headed to the hills to a bug out location to never been seen from again.
And that remaining 150,000, odds are live in rural very low population areas and are easily picked off one by one and are very hard to mobilize, communicate with, plan and strategize/stabilize.
That's 150,000 strangers spread across the entire country (probably a much lower number in reality) going against a pure machine.
The revolutionary war was a cake walk and easy in comparison to what we face in modern times if it ever come down to it.
Not to mention the fact 6 months in our country would be a 3rd world country less than the likes of 1980s Beirut.
All foreign enemies will come for there pound of flesh at that point.
Some on our side, some not.
America as we ever knew it or dream it ceases to exist, never to recover.
The bad assumptions are on your part, because I said nothing of the sort.
I strictly dealt with gun owners.
However, you could probably use the same math for leo/military, as when that day comes human nature is human nature.
You are correct sir.
My mistake, and I stand corrected.
However 300,000 seems far more realistic than 900,000.
Let's face it, .000001%of that amount ain't in the street now, it won't be much different when there is a chance of death.
I could be 1000% wrong, but looking outside the window at society today, I don't think I'm far off on the math.
I have a loaded grenade launcher and a SBR next to my bed...and a light sleeping dog.
Anyone coming through my doors without my permission is not making it back out alive.
Yeah I'm probably also going to die.....but if they are at the point where they are killing people over their legally owned property....I'm gonna get shot anyways..today or tomorrow.
You might be the last jew in the rail car...but at the end of the day you're still going in that rail car
I have a question? Would not 150,000 Rambo's be more proficient in their trade than 1 million regular infantry? You have to remember some times it is not how many times you shoot someone, but where you shoot them once.
"Only" 25k showed up to Virginia with
what a months notice? And I venture to say most of the crowd were not from Virginia.
So it is the logistics of forming such a group, and the mobilization, resupply, coordination of said group.
Are folks going to leave their family unprotected to go to the next state over to fight/protect strangers?
Probably not when they have their own family/provisions to protect.
I'm not saying I'm right or have a perfect pulse on it, but these are things to consider and lines of thinking to really work out in our minds.
And unless I'm really lucky, (maybe lucky, or not) I'll be dead by then..........
I enjoy reading the various scenarios and thoughts regarding this subject. I have a difficult time believing that the Supreme Court would be unable to control anything having to do with the 2A, until such time as the commies install enough fellow commies in the Court to finish us off. If that time comes, it will be time to take forceful proactive measures. Waiting for what would be a surprise entry will only endanger my Dobermans. I would prefer being a guerrilla to being a statistic without ever having counted coup. Of course, if Trump gets the win, I may find it possible to engage commies at will. Only problem is, my area of North Carolina doesn’t have many commies. I do see a bunch of recent NJ and NY plates, though, so that may be changing
