Come And Take Em

[deersniper]

worst anti-gun states in the country and have many law enforcement friends, acquaintances that support gun ownership and believe our laws are ridiculous.

Yeah I’m sure they don’t enforce CCW, NFA, AWB, etc etc

 

[DannC]

The ability to demonize (in a social sense) gun owners and the 2A is more powerful than the amendment itself.

And that is what you will see:

If you don't comply, you will lose your job (and many companies will be pressured to require whatever laws come to remain employed)
If you don't comply, you will instantly become a racist or a domestic terrorist or an evil militia member hellbent on taking down the government
If you don't comply, you will not be a "true American" (because a real American would care about others and do "whatever it takes")
If you don't comply, you will not believe in firearm safety (because you know they'll say that's where the money goes)
If you don't comply, you are "not normal" and "not sane"

The list goes on...

And the problem is, the NRA is a failure.
The problem is, no Republican politician can say "it's a right, and there's risk and personal responsibility with every right"
The problem is, no Democrat, even if they have a room full of ARs, can stand up in their party in support of a true 2A
The problem is, no regular person who doesn't want to be tared and feathered can stand up in support of a true 2A
The problem is, to become a politician that can make change requires millions of dollars and exposing your every dark secret

The problem is, the most visible people who do stand up for 2A are rednecks doing stupid shit with guns on YouTube or old and white...

The problem is... it's been systemically rigged against 2A ever since the generation that came back from WWII's spoiled kids started parenting.

I quoted this post to lead you to a thread I created back in April of this year. I am unable to link it but it is the only "Featured Content" post that I have made.
Please read some of the inane comments about a devoted husband and father who is greatly appalled by what our education system is doing to our youth.
Most of us will not have to worry about losing our guns or our ability to enjoy the free assembly to use them in shooting matches, our enjoyment with friends and family or self defense.
The left is content to bleed this issue as it will only take another 20 - 30 years at most that computer gaming will be more desirable than walking through the woods with gun in hand.
They will not even have to pass any laws. Guns will simply fade away.
I am 71 years old and pray that this country with or without guns wakes up before "1984".

 

[Fig]

LOL-sorry Fig I needed the laugh

Maybe I meant all my stockpiled ammo to loose On t

not that my response is soley directed towards you, but this is a popular sediment in the "2a community"

all I can say is good luck with that at 2am when they come in with a no knock. It's hard to sling lead when you're half asleep, half dressed and already eating the front porch steps in cuffs.
people have no clue about SHTF or gun confiscation, we all think we are going to be standing watch, waiting for them to enter.
fact is, they have 1000 times more resources than we do and if they want to single you out, they will.
your neighbors are of no help, either.

at some point we have to drop the rambo BS and think rationally, and intently.

Very true, but we outnumber them at least ten to one. Obviously you have fantasies about being Rambo. I do not. Not everyone gets to “win”.

 

[Moe Ron]

If they bust into my house it won’t be wimpy ass dobermans they’ll have to deal with. It’ll be THIS hell hound
.

 

[deersniper]

Kill the first few that refuse to turn them over.....and im not waiting for those fuckers to finish knocking before i start slinging lead through the door.

yall make the rules, im just playing the game....act accordingly.

That crap happens here people will go on the offensive. They won’t be shopping at gun stores for their gifts either. Will make Iraq and astan look like toddlers playing cowboys and Indians.

 

[deersniper]

If any security apparatus decides to kill a citizen because he or she refuses to surrender a weapon, it will be time to start hunting those who work for and more importantly, those who direct the security apparatus. Nobody is invincible. Everyone knows who and where the puppet masters are.

Yeah?

Red flag law's first year in Maryland sees fatal police shooting

Police records obtained by The Capital detail the fatal police shooting during the serving of one of Maryland’s red flag protective on Nov. 5, 2018, that left 61-year-old Gary Willis dead and describe the family turmoil that prompted Willis’ sister to seek court protection under the new law.

www.capitalgazette.com

Don’t se anyone going after Lon hourichi or any of the other state actor murderers

 

[deersniper]

Too many mall ninjas and shit talkers out there, especially amongst the younger generations that would make up the backbone of any resistance.

Yup. Like Kyle. And al the veterans of the Stan and Iraq

 

[TheGerman]

Buddy sent this to me last night.

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There's a slight problem with ol Chris' take on things.

How many enforcement agents will there be, and what happens when each day they have to wake up and wonder if the next door they go into will be the last thing they do?

Within a short time, any amount of money wouldn't be worth it. Depending on their AO, they'd be unpopular people to everyone around them, at best.

In a battle of attrition, who wins there?

 

[Amanda4461]

Yeah?

Red flag law's first year in Maryland sees fatal police shooting

Police records obtained by The Capital detail the fatal police shooting during the serving of one of Maryland’s red flag protective on Nov. 5, 2018, that left 61-year-old Gary Willis dead and describe the family turmoil that prompted Willis’ sister to seek court protection under the new law.

www.capitalgazette.com

Don’t se anyone going after Lon hourichi or any of the other state actor murderers

Outside of the guy that brained his kid’s pedo in the airport, years ago, I haven’t seen very many retribution actions. Guess they don’t feel the need, or aren’t prepared. Depends upon your personal beliefs, I guess. Eye for an Eye works just fine for me, although if everyone agreed, the whole country would be blind
As for the Red Flag idiots, that has nothing to do with the government attempting to violently take your firearm just because they don’t want you to have them, to use against said tyrannical government. Looks like your family gets involved with the judge, and you lose. Maybe your life. He maybe should have called out to an attorney, not Jim Beam.

 

[deersniper]

In 20 or 30 years from now they will have made even more people hate these weapons, maybe even your kids.

do you realize how many more people own semi autos now than 20-30-40 years ago?

Video games, assault weapon bans and Antifa / other violence have swelled the ranks of owners. The 30-30 fudd hunters of yesteryear have ar15s and 10s now.

If the 86 ban weren’t passed there would be piles of mg owners too. Military style
Stuff is 100x more popular now

 

[deersniper]

not that my response is soley directed towards you, but this is a popular sediment in the "2a community"

all I can say is good luck with that at 2am when they come in with a no knock. It's hard to sling lead when you're half asleep, half dressed and already eating the front porch steps in cuffs.
people have no clue about SHTF or gun confiscation, we all think we are going to be standing watch, waiting for them to enter.
fact is, they have 1000 times more resources than we do and if they want to single you out, they will.
your neighbors are of no help, either.

at some point we have to drop the rambo BS and think rationally, and intently.

Lmfao

They live here. This isn’t a war in a far away land where only one sides family is present. A guerrilla chooses the place of battle.

Like I said. Would be ugly beyond belief.

 

[JbBooks]

People talk a big game until shit hits the fan. I catch myself doing it too. We all get to go home to a hot meal and a dry bed. We're not starving, or being systematically killed off. We have it better than any country in the world, both present and throughout history. We have too much to lose to defy the government through armed conflict. Chris1966 is right... after a few are killed the overwhelming majority of resistors will fall in line. I don't like it, but it's the truth.

Strong, well fed men don't win revolutions. Hell, they don't even start revolutions. It's the poor, starving and downtrodden that bring about change and none of us fit that description. Look throughout history and you'll see what I mean. Most (pretty much all) of the western world is disarmed. If you're going to argue that the US is different for whatever reason, I assure you that human nature trumps culture and ideology every time and twice on Sundays. We're too comfortable right now to put up a real fight, even if we know deep down inside that a storm is brewing on the horizon. Only at the brink of destruction do we possess the resolve needed to bring about change. The whole "come and take them" thing is kind of retarded.

Hopefully the men and women tasked with enforcing any new laws will refuse to do so. Doubt it though.

Apparently you ain’t ever cornered a coyote in a barn..... Let that sink in for a minute. Then you can turn in your guns. I think we’ll keep ours, and side up with the yote!

 

[Bender]

Easy buddy...

I don't speak for anyone but myself, and it's just my opinion. All I'm saying is that Europe and the rest of the western world has been effectively disarmed. There's also an undeniable trend towards public support for trading freedom in for perceived security. I'm not saying everyone's going to tuck their tail between their legs and bow to the man if and when forced confiscation comes into play, but most will initially, at least to the point where threat of immediate force is going to be futile if orders are followed through down the chain of command. I'm arriving at that conclusion based on our western counterparts that have gone through this already, and the general trend here stateside. Hope for the best and plan for the worst, right?

Second, popping off shots at law enforcement if and when confiscation is carried out is a surefire way to get yourself killed and painted as one of the deranged, gun toting lunatics the left likes to stereotype. Live to fight another day and think objectively. Emotional, knee-jerk reactions like that aren't helping anyone and will rarely serve you well regardless of context.

In my OPINION, the Molon Labe thing is kind of juvenile, and it's doing nothing whatsoever to improve the situation. If anything, it's making it worse. I just wish more people put as much time and money into meaningful, rational action as they collecting badass t-shirts and stickers and stenciling this shit onto their firearms. Molon Labe has become the Tapout of the firearms community to the point where it makes me cringe. I know it's not a popular opinion around here, but fuck it. I'll go against the grain in the name of spirited debate.

Go fuk


Pussy

 

[needham]

Lmfao

Like I said. Would be ugly beyond belief.

Yeah it will be ugly beyond belief.
Problem is you think our side will win in a cake walk. You haven't even begin to think about 2nd, 3rd, or 4th order of affects or what really happens.

You seem to be under this illusion that millions of gun owners will take to the streets or woods and beat back the evils of whatever......that simply isnt the case.

Anyone who knows anything, no matter the side knows as soon as that first round is squeezed off both sides will instantly regret it.

 

[deersniper]

As for the Red Flag idiots, that has nothing to do with the government attempting to violently take your firearm just because they don’t want you to have them, to use against said tyrannical government. Looks like your family gets involved with the judge, and you lose. Maybe your life. He maybe should have called out to an attorney, not Jim Beam.

Today your family member can file. Tomorrow your co worker. The next day a cop. The next day some bureaucrat.

And that guy had a family member do that so she would get more inheritance.


Felons. Then domestic violence. Then alcoholics. Then red flags. Pretty soon it’s people who don’t believe in gay marriage or giving kids hormones to change their outward gender.

People like you are worse than leftist gun banners. At least they aren’t back stabbers and we know where they stand.

The second amendment doesn’t have an asterisk after t that says *except for these people . . .

 

[Bolo]

New York State

No response from 81,000 gun owners

In New York, Gun Owners Balk At New Handgun Database

A plan to have gun owners in New York register their handguns has sparked anger. State officials say a database will help keep guns out of the hands of people who legally shouldn't have them.

www.npr.org

Move along, nothing to see here...

I seriously have no idea wtf NPR was going on about, and nothing's changed in the intervening two years. NY has had a 'handgun database' since 1999. There are no more to register, everyone in NY does everything perfectly legally all the time.
(I got prime building lots to sell near the everglades, too.)

Anyone with a CCW has to be a good little boy or girl and update the serial numbers with the state every time they buy or sell a pistol, so a new physical CCW permit can be issued with the updated serials- and the database gets fed.
Since it takes so long, we have to carry around a self-signed supplemental pen-and-paper version until the CCW is reissued, just in case there's shenanigans and we have to prove to LE that particular weapon is nice and compliant.
Sucks, huh?

Coincidentally, my physical CCW only has a busted-ass Ram-Line .22 target pistol on it and I lost the evil 15-round mag years ago... 2013 or so, IIRC. You'd be surprised how many other CCW holders only have a Hi-Point, saturday night special, or derringer as their only EDC piece.

No need for ten thousand Rambos. A thousand Ethan Allens, Francis Marions and Nathan Hales will do much more.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Wow. All this Rambo talk again? Nobody is going to be going all Rambo and accomplishing shit. You have to have numbers and all kinds of other crap Ive mentioned a billion times before if you are going to do it on the doorstep. Anyways y’all have hashed this out. But there are two things at play that nobody has mentioned, well three really but I won’t mention the 3rd. First thing is, one has to decide when and where to enter the battle AKA guerilla warfare is unexpected. You have to think smart and being small gives you some advantage. Many might give up arms but that doesn’t mean that they are out. Most people didnt just up and join the revolution, many didn’t enter until it was at their doorstep. The majority of Americans just want to be left alone but when the switch is thrown there ain’t no reeling it back in. Two, need I remind everyone here that you don’t need guns to make a resistance. If it ever got as bad as some of you are talking then there are those with knowledge to be able to make it hurt with common items found pretty much anywhere in everyday life. Not to mention, even if they take them, there are literally thousands upon thousands of places across the US with tooling to make more, even if they are crude. Hell you ever seen an AK hammered out in the street before? If the people have the will, they can always make more which is why it’s a fools errand to go after them to begin with.

PS Never underestimate the people’s resolve!

 

[The King]

Anyone else think it’s interesting that a series of brand new posters here are trying to talk us into doing the only thing that guarantees we lose our gun rights?

I think you missed my point. Timing is everything. I'm not arguing that we're going to hell in a handbasket under socialism and/or communism. I agree with you. I'm arguing that if disarmament happens now, while the overwhelming majority of the population is prosperous and enjoying an unprecedented standard of living, few people will take any meaningful action to directly rebel against confiscation. If disarmament came after a sharp downturn in the economy, the "come and take it" thing would have a lot more merit. The left knows this. I think they see the storm on the horizon and they're looking to take action now while they can do so without major issues.

I stand with everyone here that confiscation is an enormous issue that should not be taken likely. I just don't have faith that the many of us will follow through with the hardline responses that are getting tossed around. When the time comes, most will fold and those left standing will get steamrolled. I never said what I'd do if and when the time came either, I just don't see aggression being an effective solution.

I tend to agree with the poster above that it'll be a lot like prohibition. A lot of firearms would go underground and if and when public support swung in favor of resistors, they'd come out then... when there was at least a snowballs chance in hell of their effective use.

If all this went down tomorrow, or in the near future, firing shots at those charged with carrying out confiscation would be retarded. It's not going to do anything for the "cause" other than getting yourself killed so that you could feel like a hero for the second or two before your brain is turned to jelly by incoming fire.

The poster above said it best. The Rambo shit needs to go. There's a time and a place for it, but it's not now. Winning over the sentiment of the general public, pursuing (and funding) legal challenges to impending legislation and supporting your local representatives that value the second amendment is what we should be focusing on. If you skip all that and go right to "shooting through doors" you're the ones giving up. Shelve the badassery until it's absolutely necessary.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Anyone else think it’s interesting that a series of brand new posters here are trying to talk us into doing the only thing that guarantees we lose our gun rights?

You noticed to huh? Ha

 

[FXDWG]

What would Henry Bowman do?

 

[culater]

Well ya can’t use LE to confiscate firearms if they are defunded.....The stupid rolls on.

They will use criminal LE to confiscate firearms. Where do you think all those jailed criminals with so called COVID 19 went. To work for the Dems as there underground military. You arm them you have a million man army. Think about it for awhile

 

[oneshot86]

If they bust into my house it won’t be wimpy ass dobermans they’ll have to deal with. It’ll be THIS hell hound
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That's just not fair man

 

[vinniedelpino]

Anyone else think it’s interesting that a series of brand new posters here are trying to talk us into doing the only thing that guarantees we lose our gun rights?

Awe shit... you got me. I'm a liberal troll.

Seriously though. Common sense and constructive dialogue is painfully lacking around here. All I'm advocating for is a little critical thinking and organization before action. I haven't taken anything off the the table. I don't really care about being called a pussy or a troll but it's a little disappointing that anyone that questions dumping a mag in a situation like this is dragged through shit. I guess I just don't see how that's productive.

I'm going to bow out of this thread and pursue intelligent debate elsewhere. This is a great place to learn about long range shooting and it's been a tremendous asset thus far. So... a sincere thanks to the forum members for their collective knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge.