Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!
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What’s the difference. I must have missed it.
The AX mags have a little lip on the front that needs to be tapped flat. I used them for years with my AIAT.
Mighty good to know.
Many thanks for passing along this knowledge.
It begs the question, at least from my amateur arse, why the difference to start with ?????
Why the different versions ???
I'm a knuckle dragger in the rifle world. Decades of hunting with sporter weight bolt actions scoped with simple duplex reticles.
Zero knowledge of Accuracy International do I possess.
Getting a crash course now in MILs, Christmas Trees, bipods, trigger weights in ounces, rifles that weigh as much as my hunting rifle & climbing stand, telescope-sized rifle scopes, magazines galore............it's like sipping from a firehose.......or more accurately to my wallet....it is like being diddled by a mammoth horse cock.
So friggin much different that what I've been used to.
Can't help it, though. Jumping in feet first.
Went with a buddy a couple times and shot steel targets at distances I'd never considered shooting anything prior to then. Huge fun.
I was hooked. Been gathering up my own gear from that day since.....once piece at a time.
It's AI. The Brits do it just to fuck with the rest of the world.
I got my 7prc coup de grace put together. My 22 creed build is giving me fits with the magazine though! AW mags are nowhere to be found. I am fine hacking on a mag if anyone has any suggestions of where material should be removed.
Flatten the lip at the top front of the AX magazine et voila you have an AW mag!
Has anyone found bottom metal which will work with the CDG long action and a Manners stock?
Everything I see in this thread seems to be in chassis which come with their own bottom metal.
So far I have tried to make Hawkins Hunter and bdl bottom metal work, both unsuccessfully.
My last hope is M-5 DBM bottom metal from Hawkins or others, but I would like to know that will work before proceeding.
Everything I see in this thread seems to be in chassis which come with their own bottom metal.
So far I have tried to make Hawkins Hunter and bdl bottom metal work, both unsuccessfully.
My last hope is M-5 DBM bottom metal from Hawkins or others, but I would like to know that will work before proceeding.
I'm using Hawkins m-5 dbm with a manners ph stock. I don't see a problem with the bottom metal.
The Hawkins Hunter uses those proprietary mags so that’s probably your issue. I use the APA RTG in my AG composites and my brother uses the Stocky’s in his McMillan and they both work fine.
Thank you.
Short or long action? I'm trying to fit a long action.
Short or long action?
I’m working on a .300 Norma Build in the CDG. Since it is “optimized” for AW mags…and since we can hammer in the lip on AIAX mags…
Does anyone know if AIAX magazines for CIP 338 Lapua will work with the CDG in an MPA chassis?
Does anyone know if AIAX magazines for CIP 338 Lapua will work with the CDG in an MPA chassis?
Apparently you can’t use the full CIP length on the CDG regardless of the magazine
I am still laughing at this.
Perfect explanation.
The pricing alone will ensure that I remain AI ignorant for a few more years.
Hell at the rate things are going their will be Tisas-made Accuracy International copies flooding the market soon.
Every fucking pawn shop and hardware store will be selling Turkish made Tisas-AI rifles……for $699.
Comes with a case, mags and a range mat / prayer rug.
Every non-shooting fuckstick will be praising their Turkish made bullshit and telling you how it is totally awesome. “My Tisas Goat Dagger is sub-MOA from a camel hump”.
“My Tisas…….”
”My Tisas…..”
Fuck a Tiss-Ass.
Can you or anyone else confirm this? This is from the ARC website on compatibility:
- Long actions are intended for use with AICS magazines, up to CIP/3.850" length
My problem is the Hawkins Hunter bottom metal needs taller pillars to fit the Manners LRH.
I am about to order Hawkins M5 DBM bottom metal and I am trusting the ARC website that I can use CIP length magazines.
If anyone knows differently, please let me know.
I am having zero issue with this using a full CiP length MDT mag in an MDT chassis with my CDG LA. Maybe later today I’ll get a picture.
I'm using a CDG LA chambered for 300 PRC in an MDT ACC chassis and if I load the cartridge to mag length it won't feed. The nose of the bullet hits the bottom of the action so it can't rise up into the action to feed. An earlier poster in this thread posted pictures clearly showing the issue. I'm loading longer than mag length now so I single feed anyway so not an issue for now.
I did see the earlier picture though I didn’t remember which chassis etc. was involved. I do not doubt that the issue exists.
It’s not a chassis issue. Rounds can slide forward in the magazine and slip under the feed ramp of the action causing a malfunction. The feed ramp needs to be notched in order to load long in CIP length magazines and for reliability even when loading shorter. When you get a chance you can look at yours and see the problem.
Just got my MPA Comp chassis, my barreled action is showing up tomorrow. two questions, one am i supposed to use the locking lug and which one? two i got mtu contour i guessing the nv bridge wont fit anymore?
Something arrived! Now the lightweight version needs to get in my hands.
So here's a retarded question
Ordered a CDG LA and Xylo, and it's finally all here, huzzah! Except...magazines. For some reason I skipped over needing CIP length mags.
Because I'm the child of boomers, it's chambered in 3006, because I have a ton of it and I like 3006 and reasons. Does anyone even make CIP-length mags that'll work for boomer06?
Ordered a CDG LA and Xylo, and it's finally all here, huzzah! Except...magazines. For some reason I skipped over needing CIP length mags.
Because I'm the child of boomers, it's chambered in 3006, because I have a ton of it and I like 3006 and reasons. Does anyone even make CIP-length mags that'll work for boomer06?
So here's a retarded question
Ordered a CDG LA and Xylo, and it's finally all here, huzzah! Except...magazines. For some reason I skipped over needing CIP length mags.
Because I'm the child of boomers, it's chambered in 3006, because I have a ton of it and I like 3006 and reasons. Does anyone even make CIP-length mags that'll work for boomer06?
So here's a retarded question
Ordered a CDG LA and Xylo, and it's finally all here, huzzah! Except...magazines. For some reason I skipped over needing CIP length mags.
Because I'm the child of boomers, it's chambered in 3006, because I have a ton of it and I like 3006 and reasons. Does anyone even make CIP-length mags that'll work for boomer06?
https://xlrindustries.com/products/long-action-3-850-30-06-aics-box-magazine-1
So here's a retarded question
Ordered a CDG LA and Xylo, and it's finally all here, huzzah! Except...magazines. For some reason I skipped over needing CIP length mags.
Because I'm the child of boomers, it's chambered in 3006, because I have a ton of it and I like 3006 and reasons. Does anyone even make CIP-length mags that'll work for boomer06?
MDT and Accurate Mag both make 3.85 CIP mags for the ol 06. My brother’s CDG is a 30-06 but it’s the 3.715 mags
Thought this was kinda cool considering the coned breech on the cdg. I was organizing some crap and flipped open the manual for my fn spr and my eyes went straight to this part.
Hi Hemi!
Yep, same cartridge but in a Cadex Lite Competition chassis and having the same problem with the cartridge loaded to the full length of the CIP magazine (shorter works fine). I think I may have been the first to notice this problem back in November '23 and mentioned in post #5,982.
I can't even get the magazine to correctly latch in place without doing some mods to the mag. I took some measurements of the distance between the rear surface of the recoil lug and the leading edge of the magazine cutout from the CDG action and compared them to a couple Rem 700 LA actions and the dimensions checked out almost identically (1.580") plus/minus a couple thousands of an inch. I did the same thing with my buddy's ARC Mausingfield LA receiver and they checked out the same too. His Mausingfield LA worked great in a KRG Whiskey 3 chassis (which he no longer has) and is currently working perfectly in a ARC Xylo chassis. I swapped my CDG LA into his Xylo chassis and the CDG fed flawlessly with my CIP length PRC rounds loaded in my magazine. We put his Mausingfield LA into my Cadex chassis and it encountered the same problem as my CDG LA. I then removed my CDG barreled action from the chassis and simply held the CIP magazine up against the receiver where I thought it should be located and was able to very easily cycle my CIP length rounds from the magazine. So, that proved that the CDG was definitely cut to feed the CIP length cartridges just fine.
Our first thought was that the problem was with the chassis. For the Cadex chassis, there is a removable/replaceable polymer "sleeve" that fits in the magazine well and is machined specifically to whichever magazine is expected to be run in the chassis (e.g. SA, LA, CIP, etc...). All I needed to do, I thought, was to simply get a "blank" sleeve to modify or make a new sleeve that positions the magazine rearward about 0.060" - 0.070" in order for the bullet to clear the feed lip and get the magazine to match up with the receiver correctly. I spoke with Jamie from Cadex about it and he did some digging. I asked Jamie to measure the same dimension that I measured on the CDG LA and Rem 700s of his company's CIP LA receiver as a comparison. Unfortunately, I never did receive the measurement, but Jamie did discuss the issue I was having with the CDG with another chassis vendor while he was at Shot Show this past year. The vendor confirmed they are also seeing the same issue with their chassis. One thing Jamie and the other vendor agreed on is that the position of the magazine well on the CDG didn't seem right. They believed their chassis were correct and that the problem is with the ARC LA receivers since other CIP-cut LA receivers functioned just fine.
Jamie contacted ARC and discussed the problem with his company's chassis and the LA CDG receiver. Apparently, they found out that when ARC designed their CIP LA receivers, they maintained the distance between the rear surface of the recoil lug to the leading edge of the magazine cutout. My guess is that this decision was to maintain the structural integrity of the receiver in the area where a case head separation would most affect the receiver. This meant that in order to use the CIP length magazines, the magazine well cutout needed to move rearwards on the receiver. Unfortunately, it appears that other vendors decided to maintain the location of the rear of the magazine well cutout and simply extend the front of the cutout forward towards the recoil lug. This, I (we) believe, is where the problem actually stems from. Of course, one solution could be to have a cutout machined into the leading edge of the CDG receiver magazine feed ramp for the long bullet to pass through, but I'm not sure if that would cause feed issues with other, non-CIP cartridges if the caliber/cartridge was changed. That option doesn't address the problem I was/am having getting a magazine to latch in the chassis, though, without modifying every magazine I use with the rifle. That's something only ARC could verify for certain. Jamie said that ARC was going to make some sort of "announcement" about the problem/resolution but I haven't seen or heard anything about it since I last spoke to Jamie a few weeks ago.
Interestingly, I did find a little forum conversation about a similar issue with Remington 700 LA CIP bottom metal from 2019, here -->
Gunsmithing - 700 Long Action CIP?
Can cip length mags be made to work in a long action and 7 / 300 mag cartridges?
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Thank you for figuring this out! I suspected it was something along those lines. It appears there is room to move the magazine back in relation to the chassis and still have it feed correctly. If I recall correctly when I used the Hornady factory 300 PRC 225 gr match ammo to break in the barrel it fed from a magazine just fine, but was a good bit shorter than full mag length. If the cartridges had shifted forward in the magazine they would have had the same feeding issue as my magazine length handloads.Hi Hemi!
Yep, same cartridge but in a Cadex Lite Competition chassis and having the same problem with the cartridge loaded to the full length of the CIP magazine (shorter works fine). I think I may have been the first to notice this problem back in November '23 and mentioned in post #5,982.
I can't even get the magazine to correctly latch in place without doing some mods to the mag. I took some measurements of the distance between the rear surface of the recoil lug and the leading edge of the magazine cutout from the CDG action and compared them to a couple Rem 700 LA actions and the dimensions checked out almost identically (1.580") plus/minus a couple thousands of an inch. I did the same thing with my buddy's ARC Mausingfield LA receiver and they checked out the same too. His Mausingfield LA worked great in a KRG Whiskey 3 chassis (which he no longer has) and is currently working perfectly in a ARC Xylo chassis. I swapped my CDG LA into his Xylo chassis and the CDG fed flawlessly with my CIP length PRC rounds loaded in my magazine. We put his Mausingfield LA into my Cadex chassis and it encountered the same problem as my CDG LA. I then removed my CDG barreled action from the chassis and simply held the CIP magazine up against the receiver where I thought it should be located and was able to very easily cycle my CIP length rounds from the magazine. So, that proved that the CDG was definitely cut to feed the CIP length cartridges just fine.
Our first thought was that the problem was with the chassis. For the Cadex chassis, there is a removable/replaceable polymer "sleeve" that fits in the magazine well and is machined specifically to whichever magazine is expected to be run in the chassis (e.g. SA, LA, CIP, etc...). All I needed to do, I thought, was to simply get a "blank" sleeve to modify or make a new sleeve that positions the magazine rearward about 0.060" - 0.070" in order for the bullet to clear the feed lip and get the magazine to match up with the receiver correctly. I spoke with Jamie from Cadex about it and he did some digging. I asked Jamie to measure the same dimension that I measured on the CDG LA and Rem 700s of his company's CIP LA receiver as a comparison. Unfortunately, I never did receive the measurement, but Jamie did discuss the issue I was having with the CDG with another chassis vendor while he was at Shot Show this past year. The vendor confirmed they are also seeing the same issue with their chassis. One thing Jamie and the other vendor agreed on is that the position of the magazine well on the CDG didn't seem right. They believed their chassis were correct and that the problem is with the ARC LA receivers since other CIP-cut LA receivers functioned just fine.
Jamie contacted ARC and discussed the problem with his company's chassis and the LA CDG receiver. Apparently, they found out that when ARC designed their CIP LA receivers, they maintained the distance between the rear surface of the recoil lug to the leading edge of the magazine cutout. My guess is that this decision was to maintain the structural integrity of the receiver in the area where a case head separation would most affect the receiver. This meant that in order to use the CIP length magazines, the magazine well cutout needed to move rearwards on the receiver. Unfortunately, it appears that other vendors decided to maintain the location of the rear of the magazine well cutout and simply extend the front of the cutout forward towards the recoil lug. This, I (we) believe, is where the problem actually stems from. Of course, one solution could be to have a cutout machined into the leading edge of the CDG receiver magazine feed ramp for the long bullet to pass through, but I'm not sure if that would cause feed issues with other, non-CIP cartridges if the caliber/cartridge was changed. That option doesn't address the problem I was/am having getting a magazine to latch in the chassis, though, without modifying every magazine I use with the rifle. That's something only ARC could verify for certain. Jamie said that ARC was going to make some sort of "announcement" about the problem/resolution but I haven't seen or heard anything about it since I last spoke to Jamie a few weeks ago.
Interestingly, I did find a little forum conversation about a similar issue with Remington 700 LA CIP bottom metal from 2019, here -->
Gunsmithing - 700 Long Action CIP?
Can cip length mags be made to work in a long action and 7 / 300 mag cartridges?
Hi Hemi!
Yep, same cartridge but in a Cadex Lite Competition chassis and having the same problem with the cartridge loaded to the full length of the CIP magazine (shorter works fine). I think I may have been the first to notice this problem back in November '23 and mentioned in post #5,982.
I can't even get the magazine to correctly latch in place without doing some mods to the mag. I took some measurements of the distance between the rear surface of the recoil lug and the leading edge of the magazine cutout from the CDG action and compared them to a couple Rem 700 LA actions and the dimensions checked out almost identically (1.580") plus/minus a couple thousands of an inch. I did the same thing with my buddy's ARC Mausingfield LA receiver and they checked out the same too. His Mausingfield LA worked great in a KRG Whiskey 3 chassis (which he no longer has) and is currently working perfectly in a ARC Xylo chassis. I swapped my CDG LA into his Xylo chassis and the CDG fed flawlessly with my CIP length PRC rounds loaded in my magazine. We put his Mausingfield LA into my Cadex chassis and it encountered the same problem as my CDG LA. I then removed my CDG barreled action from the chassis and simply held the CIP magazine up against the receiver where I thought it should be located and was able to very easily cycle my CIP length rounds from the magazine. So, that proved that the CDG was definitely cut to feed the CIP length cartridges just fine.
Our first thought was that the problem was with the chassis. For the Cadex chassis, there is a removable/replaceable polymer "sleeve" that fits in the magazine well and is machined specifically to whichever magazine is expected to be run in the chassis (e.g. SA, LA, CIP, etc...). All I needed to do, I thought, was to simply get a "blank" sleeve to modify or make a new sleeve that positions the magazine rearward about 0.060" - 0.070" in order for the bullet to clear the feed lip and get the magazine to match up with the receiver correctly. I spoke with Jamie from Cadex about it and he did some digging. I asked Jamie to measure the same dimension that I measured on the CDG LA and Rem 700s of his company's CIP LA receiver as a comparison. Unfortunately, I never did receive the measurement, but Jamie did discuss the issue I was having with the CDG with another chassis vendor while he was at Shot Show this past year. The vendor confirmed they are also seeing the same issue with their chassis. One thing Jamie and the other vendor agreed on is that the position of the magazine well on the CDG didn't seem right. They believed their chassis were correct and that the problem is with the ARC LA receivers since other CIP-cut LA receivers functioned just fine.
Jamie contacted ARC and discussed the problem with his company's chassis and the LA CDG receiver. Apparently, they found out that when ARC designed their CIP LA receivers, they maintained the distance between the rear surface of the recoil lug to the leading edge of the magazine cutout. My guess is that this decision was to maintain the structural integrity of the receiver in the area where a case head separation would most affect the receiver. This meant that in order to use the CIP length magazines, the magazine well cutout needed to move rearwards on the receiver. Unfortunately, it appears that other vendors decided to maintain the location of the rear of the magazine well cutout and simply extend the front of the cutout forward towards the recoil lug. This, I (we) believe, is where the problem actually stems from. Of course, one solution could be to have a cutout machined into the leading edge of the CDG receiver magazine feed ramp for the long bullet to pass through, but I'm not sure if that would cause feed issues with other, non-CIP cartridges if the caliber/cartridge was changed. That option doesn't address the problem I was/am having getting a magazine to latch in the chassis, though, without modifying every magazine I use with the rifle. That's something only ARC could verify for certain. Jamie said that ARC was going to make some sort of "announcement" about the problem/resolution but I haven't seen or heard anything about it since I last spoke to Jamie a few weeks ago.
Interestingly, I did find a little forum conversation about a similar issue with Remington 700 LA CIP bottom metal from 2019, here -->
Gunsmithing - 700 Long Action CIP?
Can cip length mags be made to work in a long action and 7 / 300 mag cartridges?
Seeing as Cadex and MDT are both Canadian and both are having the issue I’m going to say they were the other chassis company they talked to.
Yep, makes perfect sense with the factory ammo, which is probably only loaded to 3.65" or so. I'm running a 208g Berger LRHT bullet with a coal of around 3.75" and can only single feed it. I only bang steel with the rifle, so I can live with it but I really want to be able to feed them from a magazine at some point. I think it's possible to shim the receiver forward in the chassis 0.060" to 0.070" too, but the action screw holes in the chassis would need to be elongated to do that. I think there are a couple things that can be done to help fix the problem, but I'm waiting to see what ARC decides before I do anything.
Other than the magazine thing, I absolutely love the CDG! It's really a great design and is so smooth!
Just tested my LA CDG in a flat breech 223 with a longer 2.45” 75gr ELD round, feeds alright but sometimes hangs up if you run it slow. The general consensus was correct, run it fast and intentionally and it will feed fine. Not gonna say it’s 100% reliable because even time tested platforms have issues sometimes, but ymmv. Have a short video clip but not able to post it
Bought the long action to do a 300WM and eventually a 37XC, but figured the 223 would be a nice training round and I already had ammo for it.
Wish I had thought of that before I bought a short action. One action for everything.
Exactly, I thought about the concept since I first saw the AI AXMC/DT SRS but didn’t have that kinda money lol. So this is my version of a multical switchbarrel. With the swappable bolt heads and muzzle flats this should work pretty well
The one I have in it is just a single shot sled. That’s the one big hiccup with a setup like this, no magazines currently. I found that AI makes a long action .308 mag with a spacer so I’m curious if the feedlips could be adjusted to hold 223
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Thanks.
just picked mine up from FFL and stopped off for coffee and was smoking it over….
Could not find it without my cheater glasses on.
Sooner than I anticipated.
Only 2.5 months.
Barrel expected in the next week or two.
Forgive my goofball post.
This is the first non-barreled action I've ever worked with....and I'm mighty enthused.
Fingers crossed that the prefit stuff allows precision & self-sufficiency. It sure as hell offers a wide range of versatility.
Nice & clean serial characters, too.
I wish my 1911's each had such cleanly executed lettering....except for my Colts. I like them as they are.
Got it home.....ole man cheater specs on.....
.....bamsucka....same location as on your Mausingfield. 
