This is likely my favorite aspect of my ARC actions...the way they close on a round is beyond amazing. Maybe it's the toroidal bolt head? I don't know, but I love it.
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Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!
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Have you considered short/rounded flutes like on an AI bolt? Would that decrease the issues when someone doesn’t run the bolt correctly?
Let’s be honest, looks is a big part of it for some consumers (and obviously flutes are functional as well).
I handled the action at the Vudoo booth and it’s a home run.
But, I would definitely like to see a fluted bolt.
Have you considered short/rounded flutes like on an AI bolt? Would that decrease the issues when someone doesn’t run the bolt correctly?
Let’s be honest, looks is a big part of it for some consumers (and obviously flutes are functional as well).
I handled the action at the Vudoo booth and it’s a home run.
But, I would definitely like to see a fluted bolt.
The archmedes can get away with a lighter bolt lift with a stiffer spring due to the way the primary extraction is happening. My Nuke 2.0 is 19lbs (default is 25lbs) and I think the Arch is 30lbs I believe and Arch has a slightly lighter bolt lift. I would believe the CDG would be similar idea.
Very little of what you said makes any sense to me. My Internet presence is very limited. I also never said anything about the length of the name, just that I didn’t like it. Reading comprehension isn’t very common around here.
We want to do more testing before we settle on a spring weight. We will have multiple available from light to heavy. Initial testing has shown we should be able to use a lighter spring than our other actions which makes this action feel really good. You are going to love the light bolt lift.
I would love to see the deep flutes like in the rendering simply because it looks awesome. That being said, like others have already mentioned, I would still buy one if it's deemed to run better without them as this action ticks every box I've been looking for in an action for years. As soon as I can get one in Canada I'll be buying a long action for a build.
It's not common anywhere ;-). Nor is good writing, as I failed to delineate that which was in response to you (intended to be good natured, by the way) and that which was in response to a sentiment expressed by several others.
f I could change the subject a little.
This new Coup action pretty much ticks all my boxes so, I'll be ordering when they become available.
I'm particularly interested in the AW mag compatibility & am wondering if you guys have designed the action to run AW mags with the Xylo chassis in mind. I'm particularly interested in running 6 BR with an AW short case mage kit. Would it be possible to test the Coup with that configuration?
Also, do you recommend the Xylo chassis for use with the AW mags in preference to say the new MDT ACC?
One more question, and this may sound silly, but is it only going to come with the red black color scheme or can you get it in straight black? or would that require changing bolt knobs? I get OCD with my builds and I'm a weirdo when it comes to matching colors 
I will look into testing with a short mag kit. We have been using the AW mags with the Xylo chassis without any problem. I do not see why they would not work with most other chassis as well.
To early to say at this point. We only have a preliminary design done.
No worries, we will have all black available as well.One more question, and this may sound silly, but is it only going to come with the red black color scheme or can you get it in straight black? or would that require changing bolt knobs? I get OCD with my builds and I'm a weirdo when it comes to matching colors
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the spring in the pre-sale nucleus 1.0 16 pounds? That’s what I seem to remember from back then. Some people had issues with light primers strikes and you provided free 19# and then 21# springs upon request.
I kept the original, and with federal GMM primers have never had an issue so far.
Currently the Nuke and Mausingfield both ship with 25# springs and the Arch ships with a 30#. I have a Gen 1 Nuke that only had issues with the 16# using hard .223 primers but a 19# spring works fine with only a slight increase in bolt lift.
I switched my M7 to the 19# spring and I’ve only had one or two FTF both when it was very cold out so I primarily run the 25# since it works all the time. The 19# definitely feels significantly lighter though so I was using that while shooting during the summer.
This is correct. This is why we need to test more. We have had very good success (100% in fact) with CCI 450's in a controlled environment. Over the next few weeks we will be taking the action putting it through more testing in real world conditions to make sure it work flawlessly.
@Jon_ARC - I believe it has been asked but not answered - Will a Conical Breech - CDG Barrel headspace and function in a Nuke/Arch/Maus?
I have seen your reply that a flat breech of generous caliber may work in the CDG.
I have seen your reply that a flat breech of generous caliber may work in the CDG.
After seeing the above pictures, I really hope you keep the fluting……..
I agree, though it looks like this example doesnt have any nitride or dlc coating. But the fluting would make things pop more
We have been experimenting with a few fluting designs and think we have something that look and function beautifully. Stay tuned.
From the bolt stop directly to the receiver, nothing on the pin.
I really liked your deep flute design. Another design I have seen and really liked was on the Gunwerks Nexus. With a name like Coup De Grace it has to have some flash!
It's not very flashy, but diagonal flutes similar to the Mac Brothers action would look pretty cool as well. But so far I am most partial to the deep flutes that y'all had in the concept art
That fluting looks like the same one on my Kauger PRS action.
Tim calls it the chain link fence
If you guys would test the Coup in this config, that would be excellent.
Even better if you could tweak it if necessary to run the BR cartridges.
I reckon ARC has hit a home run with this action.
Great stuff.
There’s not much to test. If the aw mag sits up tight to the action, it will run.
If the mag catch isn’t adjustable on a chassis set up for aics mags, you’ll need a longer catch. Be that from the manufacturer or done aftermarket.
If an aw mag isn’t running in a chassis when it’s sitting up against the action, the mag itself is likely out of spec.
For some reason aw mags remain a mystery to the community when the operation is very simple.
If the mag catch isn’t adjustable on a chassis set up for aics mags, you’ll need a longer catch. Be that from the manufacturer or done aftermarket.
If an aw mag isn’t running in a chassis when it’s sitting up against the action, the mag itself is likely out of spec.
For some reason aw mags remain a mystery to the community when the operation is very simple.
We also need to remember, when we run non .308 type cases, we are running cartridges not designed to be run in magazines.
There are actions and magazines such as the border super 6 or mdt 6br mags.
Aw mag kits are just a bandaids on a mismatched design.
And it would be a fairly unfair ask for any chassis manufacturers to attempt to make their chassis work with things that are not designed for such.
There are actions and magazines such as the border super 6 or mdt 6br mags.
Aw mag kits are just a bandaids on a mismatched design.
And it would be a fairly unfair ask for any chassis manufacturers to attempt to make their chassis work with things that are not designed for such.
right?Maybe so but, the action starts out with the most significant design attribute for AW feeding which is the six o'clock lug config.
It won't be the smoothest feeling action when chambering & ejecting but that's a small price to pay in my opinion.
I'm looking fwd to the speed & convenience of topping off the magazine in place through the action as well as the far less intrusive mag length.
How I use my rifles is very unusual in comparison to the way most shooters use their rifles & although the AICS mags I use perform extremely reliably, they simply aren't as flexible for my requirements.
Normally I wouldn't take the gamble with a 1st iteration of anything but, knowing how Ted does things, I'm willing to take that bet.
I've got a suspicion that Teds got his ducks in a row on this one so I'll go with him.
i'm confused why vudoo is OEM'ing these honestly unless they're doing barreled actions?
people gonna pick which one just based on the name they like?
people gonna pick which one just based on the name they like?
I wonder what the minimum order quantity (from ARC) would be to get a non-French name on them?
How about don’t buy one if you don’t like his name that he wants. Simple. All the bitching that goes on is getting old. Can we talk about the color of the bolt knob for the 16th time next?
