And lighter. This thing can hold a whole stack of papers down in a 50 MPH gust. Not sure how I'll be able to lug it around. Stupid ARC should have put the lightweight hunting action out first! Now there is something to bitch about. Long action hunter first!
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Maybe since he posted up his order number they'll cancel it for him and send him the savage website link or a link to an axis at Wally World.
I never said you violated a term of agreement. You said that.
Businesses, at least most of them, actually do appreciate constructive feedback. Yours wasn't constructive, it was just critical.
You FEEL like they should be more transparent and post more updates.
ARC isn't a computer game company or even a social media platform. They are a firearms manufacturer. They don't have someone on payroll with the sole job of "informing" customers on their daily goings-on. They are busy building cool shit instead.
The thing you repeatedly bring up is people ordering more than one action.
Is that what's really bugging you? The fact that there are people who can afford to buy whatever they want. Because of that, you have to wait in line longer?
Maybe some of those people run business and will use those actions to build rifles for customers.
Maybe the dude that ordered 10 did a group buy with his shooting buddies, like the guy down under.
Maybe some guy wants ten actions so he can have identical rifles for himself and his family.
Maybe a guy that ordered 5 has obsessive-compulsive disorder and NEEDS them to all look and feel the same.
Who are you to decide what, where, when and how many actions a person can order?
If ARC makes changes to the action, how does that affect you in any manner when your action is slated to be delivered mid-October?
Mid October won't leave you very much time, if any to get everything squared away. However, if you have everything in hand and are waiting on an action/action wrench, then, depending on your schedule, you could be shooting it the day you receive the action. With good loading techniques, you'd be able to hunt with it the next day.
Yeah, that's asking a lot from the pieces and parts, and yourself, but it's doable.
I hope like hell you get yours in September and are able to pack your freezer full by the end of hunting season.
Thank you for weighing in. Again, I am not contacting ARC at all, just posting here. This is a good way of framing some of the things I have been mentioning
I actually think ARC is probably ahead of the game in terms of their customer comms compared to the industry, which I guess is why I am surprised that the post frequency has basically collapsed.
Don't drag me into this. I said what I wanted to say and that is all I wanted to say.
Carry on.
Truth be told, and I repeat myself, it’s going to take a while. Just sit the fuck back and let them make actions.
All this talk about modifications to previous actions and shit is just sour grapes. I’ve been shooting my gen 1 early Pre-order nucleus, unchanged since day one with zero issues. Any changes or accommodations they made for those that wanted it can hardly be lumped into required changes to make the product work.
Those that are using that as their hold out to somehow paint ARC as the issue are so full of shit that their eyes are brown. Convenient that they forget to bring up Archemedes and it having no issues at all or changes.. hmmm…
In short, anyone who expects, nay, demands that they should get regular feel-good updates to placate their need to believe they made a good decision, should just take a giant fucking chill pill and let it ride. If you want in on the awesome price and features offered and are told it will take a while, then just fucking accept that it’s going to be a while and go find something better to do than to bore us with your righteous indignation over not having your hand held during the whole process.
Cheerio, pip pip, and all that rot.
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I think I want to do the Xylo chassis for 2 reasons. 1 don't want to have to mod a stock and 2 it looks unique. Only thing im wondering is the bar at the bottom of the grip to attach the buttstock does your palm touch it? and if it does is it uncomfortable?
WHAT ELSE DO THEY NEED TO SAY! The design is finished. People have them in hand and are shooting them! Do you want notification a every single time one ships? What the fuck are you asking for?
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Life is just about the wait.
I'm always waiting on something might as well be another ARC or two.
Grip is fat as fuck. The metal coming out does not get in the way. But I am selling the xylo to a friend. I just like stocks better. Personal preference
We all have different aesthetic tastes but to my eye...I do think that's one fucking ugly chassis. Yeah, I get that its not a fashion accessory and function take precedent, but life is too short to shoot an ugly gun! haha
But, the grip....its wood. So, any decent wood crafter/stock smith should be able to make you new wood panels in whatever config you want, right? Its about the one thing I really do like about it as I have small hands and I think most stocks are made for guys who can palm a bowling ball.
Cheers
It's comfy! There is more real estate around that grip + over the bar then on many such as J Allen or Manners.
Look at the picture I posted a few pages back #4213.
I wouldn't change a thing on the back end of the Xylo. I would suggest just setting the cheek piece in the rear most position to start. There's only minor criticism I have. I'd like the fore end rail extended 1 more M-lock slot. If they did that, than the SA would be more in line with other PRS type chassis, but more importantly the LA Xylo (looses 1 slot) would still accept 3 internal/external weights. They do sell an ARCA extension & I haven't found the need for it.
Its beauty is in its design and how it functions. I love mine.
Doesn’t ARC sell grips in different sizes for the Xylo? Also, I think they’ll provide the cad file if you want to mill a custom grip.
Dunno but its a great idea, if they don't.
Just looked.....they have a CAD file for the right side interior interface...I assume you would just mirror it in CAD for the left side.
And he does sell small (standard...which I guess is what you get if you order a chassis), Med, and Large with the assumption being the later two are larger than what comes on the chassis out of ARC.
But, Ted also sells grips blanks....interior interface milled in and just a block on the outside so you can make it what you please.
I didn't know that. I do like ole' Ted. Reminds me of all the whacky Phd scientist and engineers I worked with during my career. LOL
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Ok just changing topic real quick while my popcorn is popping
For future reference, has anyone who has gotten their action sent theirs to Southern Precision for a prefit? I already having a barrel being made, but I have a proof blank on order via expertvoice and thought i'd get that chambered by them since i know they have fast turnaround.
For future reference, has anyone who has gotten their action sent theirs to Southern Precision for a prefit? I already having a barrel being made, but I have a proof blank on order via expertvoice and thought i'd get that chambered by them since i know they have fast turnaround.
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Truth be told, and I repeat myself, it’s going to take a while. Just sit the fuck back and let them make actions.
All this talk about modifications to previous actions and shit is just sour grapes. I’ve been shooting my gen 1 early Pre-order nucleus, unchanged since day one with zero issues. Any changes or accommodations they made for those that wanted it can hardly be lumped into required changes to make the product work.
Those that are using that as their hold out to somehow paint ARC as the issue are so full of shit that their eyes are brown. Convenient that they forget to bring up Archemedes and it having no issues at all or changes.. hmmm…
In short, anyone who expects, nay, demands that they should get regular feel-good updates to placate their need to believe they made a good decision, should just take a giant fucking chill pill and let it ride. If you want in on the awesome price and features offered and are told it will take a while, then just fucking accept that it’s going to be a while and go find something better to do than to bore us with your righteous indignation over not having your hand held during the whole process.
Cheerio, pip pip, and all that rot.
Hey, I have brown eyes.
Are the prints not enough? Or does a place need the action to confirm initially?
I had ARC ship my action directly to Long Rifles Inc to have the barrels made. They received the action on Friday 6/16. After which I spoke to them and discussed what I needed. Luckily they had the barrels in stock and started machining the barrels on Monday 6/19.
I like how LRI keeps you updated as the order moves thru the shop.
Two K&P 24" M24 barrels fitted to the action. Chambered in 0.223 Wylde and 6.5 Creedmoor:
Threaded, crowned and thread protector:
Test fired for function:
Engraving and Cerakoting is next. If I'm lucky, I may have the action in hand at some point next week.
I like how LRI keeps you updated as the order moves thru the shop.
Two K&P 24" M24 barrels fitted to the action. Chambered in 0.223 Wylde and 6.5 Creedmoor:
Threaded, crowned and thread protector:
Test fired for function:
Engraving and Cerakoting is next. If I'm lucky, I may have the action in hand at some point next week.
I like his wrought iron twist barrel look! So, I know the cone needed a couple degree tweak at PVA for some extractors tickling the cone yet. I'd reckon LRI got that handled too?
Seems that LRI has been following this thread and may have been aware of the issue on that single PVA barrel.
That said, LRI wanted the action in-hand so that the barrel could be properly fitted and issues like that could be avoided from the beginning. I believe that my action was the 4th CDG that they had fitted. The test firing/function test confirms the proper fitment and chambering.
LRI keeps all the specs on the action and barrels made. Should I order another barrel, there's no need for me to send them the action.
Things have sure escalated here lately! I bring you this to break it up a bit even my wife said it’s the seggiest action I have! And man the smoothness when you get the trigger hanger adjusted is real nice!!! And I do apologize, I did call Bella, but only because I was 45 minutes into my drive to pick it up and my smith called to say they forgot their FFL paperwork with it and I needed a digital copy. But I promise I was quick, concise and didn’t ask about anything else. Call was only 1 minute and I hung up as quick as I could!
Worth the wait!
even my wife said it’s the seggiest action I have! And man the smoothness when you get the trigger hanger adjusted is real nice!!! And I do apologize, I did call Bella, but only because I was 45 minutes into my drive to pick it up and my smith called to say they forgot their FFL paperwork with it and I needed a digital copy. But I promise I was quick, concise and didn’t ask about anything else. Call was only 1 minute and I hung up as quick as I could! Worth the wait!
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No. I had my order from ARC shipped directly to LRI. So it was just the action, bolt heads and action wrench. The test firing is just to confirm fitment and function. Not the trigger or accuracy.
SO, what prefit you gonna roll?Things have sure escalated here lately! I bring you this to break it up a bit
Worth the wait!
My individual CDG action/barrel specs.
That said, you should contact LRI to confirm. They may change this policy now that they have fitted a few CDG actions.
I’m not gonna go prefit. I’m waiting for my origin and a couple 260 barrels to sell and then I will either go 260 or 6.5 creed (I snagged 2500 Berger 156 a few months back) or I may go 6 dasher… decisions decisions. My smith is pretty top notch and for the extra $100-$150 I’d rather have him do it. I have one prefit and it served me well, but just wasn’t quite as good as what he turns out for me.
Yeah I got mine set up smooth, but the bolt lift force at the moment cancels out that aspect. Hopefully that bolt lift force lessons with use/break in. My Nukes with 16# springs are a standard for me by which to compare bolt lift force. Well, and I am a seasoned veteran in bolt lift with all the Savage actions I have/had.
Edit to add: I got this idea to put a piece of string on a trigger pull gauge and test...maybe more coffee...
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Some guys just don't get life, do they?
Dang that's fast. May look at them for the chamber job as well!
My order for a short action. Was just 10 orders later. And no ETA on the invoice.
I'm still planing on November lol
Because it’s a great deal and I don’t need it immediately but I’ll want it eventually.
This. Obviously not for those that aren’t really into rifles like some of us are.
Years ago, I had a 96-hour rotation on barreled action work. If we had parts in hand and were only hanging a new stick on a receiver, moving it through the shop took four business days.
Elective services like coating and fluting added to the time frame.
Over the last year, I've put a mess of additional assets into this place.
- Purchase of the entire property that 3x'd our available square footage
- Another 5-axis mill
- Pressure feed blast cabinet
- New tumbler
- Separate cleanroom for assembly
- Administrative assets
- Additional toolroom cabinets
- Shrink-fit induction heater
- New phones
The goal here is to get the lead times on barrel fitting back to "ludicrous speed" again. We might even be able to add fluting and coating work to that lead time now, as those sides of the house have come a long way.
Happy to help.
C.
Wow... lot's of piling on and that escalated quickly
Does ARC owe anyone anything besides delivering the product they paid for? No. That's all they are accountable and responsible for. They collected money to deliver a product. So they don't us anymore than that.
Everyone who pre-ordered agreed to wait patiently.
However, I can't disagree that an occasional or even recurring update to this thread would also stop a lot of phone calls, emails, and hurt feelings.
I'm not suggesting ARC respond to everyone who posts their order number. That would be a full time job for a team of people.
But maybe something like "Hey guys, we just got a batch of 20 bolts back from coating and that means we can ship 16 complete fluted actions. We're waiting on the non-fluted bolts."
But in the end, that wouldn't be good enough and people would then start asking about everything else in the supply chain and manufacturing process. I would like to know from ARC the order of release though? I know there was a post above unofficially that RH LA are next, but it would be nice to know for sure.
Anyway... hopefully people keep posting up when they receive their actions with pictures and their builds. I think in the end I'm going to keep the PVA 6.5CM prefits that I was trying to sell. So now I'm just waiting for my actions. In the meantime, I think I'll change over my Deviants to 6GT for a little variety.
Does ARC owe anyone anything besides delivering the product they paid for? No. That's all they are accountable and responsible for. They collected money to deliver a product. So they don't us anymore than that.
Everyone who pre-ordered agreed to wait patiently.
However, I can't disagree that an occasional or even recurring update to this thread would also stop a lot of phone calls, emails, and hurt feelings.
I'm not suggesting ARC respond to everyone who posts their order number. That would be a full time job for a team of people.
But maybe something like "Hey guys, we just got a batch of 20 bolts back from coating and that means we can ship 16 complete fluted actions. We're waiting on the non-fluted bolts."
But in the end, that wouldn't be good enough and people would then start asking about everything else in the supply chain and manufacturing process. I would like to know from ARC the order of release though? I know there was a post above unofficially that RH LA are next, but it would be nice to know for sure.
Anyway... hopefully people keep posting up when they receive their actions with pictures and their builds. I think in the end I'm going to keep the PVA 6.5CM prefits that I was trying to sell. So now I'm just waiting for my actions. In the meantime, I think I'll change over my Deviants to 6GT for a little variety.
I also sent mine to LRI, I think ours got chambered at the same time. Eric had mentioned he had a couple more he was working on. I also did a K&P which will be my first one. Straight no taper baby!! Should be an awesome rifle and the LRI folks are AWESOME!
I am very happy for your business expansion. So, the universe sends me signals I don't understand. Like, I'll hear a word or phrase I either have never heard, or been a long ass time since I did. Anywho, "Ludicrous Speed" came up in my world few days ago. Then I had to watch the Space Balls scene...now Ludicrous Speed here....Ludicrous!
(The last one was "genuflect") So, back to business, and in regards to the CDG. If I want a barrel made by you for my CDG, must I send in the action?
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