CT elementary school shooting.

#51
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I don't have the words.....I'm just disgusted with society. People are just fucked up. I don't know how a person can point a gun at an innocent child and pull the trigger over and over again. My heart goes out to the people and families of the CT community. What a black eye for us and ammuniton for anti-gun liberals. Makes me want to vomit.
 
#53
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clayne_b</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I think tragedies like this are all part of an Anti-Gun conspiracy plan. </div></div>

That thought has been lingering in my mind for quite some time now! </div></div>


Check out MK Ultra.........




Good luck
 
#55
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I think tragedies like this are all part of an Anti-Gun conspiracy plan. </div></div>

false flag operation
 
#56
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Posted this elsewhere, and I think it also warrants posting here:

Anger, blame, distrust, debate, armchair commandos, etc. will all have their time and place, but that is not now.

Pray for the families of those children. Nothing but a miracle will help them get through this, and that is the aim of my prayers.
 
#57
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This is beyond bad. 20 little kindergartners... My son is going to kindergarten next year, so I just have the vision of 20 of him laying on the ground.

This is an act of pure evil. Plain and simple. I'm not a very religious man, but may God be with these little children and keep them company until one day when they can be reunited with their families.
 
#58
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May God bless those victims families, and may the victims rest in peace. I'm not usually THIS emotionally affected by public shootings, but this one victimizing CHILDREN really has taken a toll on me, and I don't even have children.
 
#59
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On Sept 11th, I knew 43 people that died...and I was speaking
to one of them when the plane hit. The repurcussions of that
event are still being felt in a very very fundamental way across the world.

The shooting in CT earlier today will also likely turn out to be
a major event - in this case, arguments will be made about the
ownership of weapons.

One lobby group or the other will seize the opportunity to
further their own agendas.

Blame it all on a fundamental misallocation of resources.
Billions spent on "TSA" in the name of "homeland" security
and the powers that be cannot even keep our kids safe.

There is something fundamental wrong here -- we're a small
percentage of the population of the world and we account for
over 20% of the world's population of prisoners!!

Sad day. Very sad day.
 
#60
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I can't speak. I can't imagine. I can't even believe what is happening right now.

The sorrow,
The loss,

Unfathomable.

I only pray that reactions don't happen, as they have in Canada in the past. And wrongfully so. I do pray that something actually effective is introduced and utilized.

To actual effect, not 'window-dressing'. The (all) parents deserve some relief. Not further anguish.
 
#61
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Although i do not have any children it hurts to think of the pain these parents are having to endure. My prayers go out to the families in this time and the hatred i feel for the person or persons responsible is the same as all of yours.
 
#62
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know when someone is going to start looking at the drugs we have these kids on. I would be suprised if all these kids didnt have some of the same prescription drugs in common. Why dont they stop blaming guns and look at what these kids are put on as a substitute for parenting and guidance. Just my.02 </div></div>
+1
You are absolutely right.

The drugs used to treat things like ADD/ADHD are incredibly dangerous and over prescribed.
As a physician I find it incredibly scary that teachers and other people with no medical training are allowed to diagnose anyone, much less a child, with what would amount to a neurological disorder without having to have any objective physical proof they do in fact have an issue that can be treated with medication.

I can’t go prescribing medications for heart issues without having a physical indicator that there is a need for it and that the benefits out weight the risks.
For instance, I can’t see a person sweating and breathing heavily and assume he needs a cardiac medication or intervention. I need to see blood pressure, ECG’s, echocardiograms, etc. some sort of evidence that justifies the use of the drugs or treatment.

Prescribing drugs to kids based on subjective symptoms like “he doesn’t sit still” or “he talks in class” is in my opinion unethical and comparable to me running up to a guy working out at the gym and hitting him with a defibrillator because I see he is sweating and breathing hard. The way it works in this country is almost criminal. Schools are paid more to have kids who are on these drugs and it’s easier to drug a child and make him compliant than it is to make the effort to be a better teacher or more attentive parent.

I am not saying these drugs don’t have their place but I will say the types of tests used to actually diagnose neurological disorders like ADD/ADHD are not cheap and most types of insurance wont pay for them so they are not usually done before people are placed on the meds to treat them. And 99% of the time kids aren’t even seen by an actual pediatric psychologist before they are placed on these meds. It’s usually a teacher telling the parents that their kids need to be placed on these meds and then they are sent to a “Dr.” who is actually on the payroll of the companies who make these drugs.

But then again it’s easier to just blame guns rather than consider what’s actually making these kids crazy.
 
#63
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I don't post here allot do to the bickering but this one is one that requires us to be together in support of the families and their children who are no longer with us. Innocence is something only a child has and to be taken by a person like this is tragic no matter what your political views are.

I know we are all pissed at the situation as we should but right now we need to show some sympathy and compassion for the families who are about to lash out at all of us who own guns.

I do believe that we have little chance of stopping someone who is willing to sacrifice his/her life for a cause. We need to understand the mentality of these individuals and not focus on the means which they used to carry out the atrocity.
 
#64
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of you guys are complete SCUMBAGS! An untold number of small children were slaughtered today and all you guys worry about is conspiracy theories and the erosion of your precious gun rights. </div></div>

Says the SCUMBAG who REPEATEDLY demonstrates his contempt for "precious gun rights."

Mourning the dead while remaining aware of the AGENDAS being forwarded during this tragedy is clearly beyond your capacity.
 
#66
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of you guys are complete SCUMBAGS! An untold number of small children were slaughtered today and all you guys worry about is conspiracy theories and the erosion of your precious gun rights. </div></div>

Says the SCUMBAG who REPEATEDLY demonstrates his contempt for "precious gun rights."

Mourning the dead while remaining aware of the AGENDAS being forwarded during this tragedy is clearly beyond your capacity.



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+1

This is what they want.

100% emotional reactions and 0% skepticism.

Remember a school shooting sparked the UK's gun bans. In 1996 some whackjob shot up a school and it unified the public to support HEAVY gun restrictions.
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of you guys are complete SCUMBAGS! An untold number of small children were slaughtered today and all you guys worry about is conspiracy theories and the erosion of your precious gun rights.

These are kids we're talking about here, many of who's broken bodies are still laying in that classroom. Some of you should be fucking ashamed at where your priorities stand. Now isn't the time.

Rest in peace to all those little souls who won't wake up on Christmas day to open their gifts. What do you tell the parents? This is incomprehensible in magnitude. </div></div>

Relax, and please consider taking a step off of that pillar of righteousness you're currently standing on.

I don't think anyone is downplaying the impact that this shooting will have on those who were impacted by it directly/indirectly. But, we're all (presumably) shooters if we're on this forum. Within 15 minutes of hearing about this shooting I was already hearing political cries for more gun control in the news. The president has already made a public address that vaguely seemed to hint at the need for gun control following this shooting.

The fact that some of us (me included) have speculated that this incident may have long-term ramifications for gun owners does not mean we're insensitive to the plight of those who were involved in this incident. If I was there, if I could have done anything to help, I would have. I'm 2,000 miles away from that school, and while I grieve for those who have lost so much, I also know there is nothing more I can do than offer them my sympathy. I also realize that hundreds of other people were killed in this country today (homicide or otherwise), and untold thousands violently lost their lives around the world on this same day. Their untimely loss of life is no less significant than the events that sit at the top of every news site in the country at this very moment.

I regularly train for these kinds of events (professionally), and rest assured I'll do my duty as best I can if ANOTHER one of these shootings ever impacts my jurisdiction AGAIN. But, you're out of line for suggesting that any of us are SCUMBAGS for keeping an eye open to the possibility of gun-restricting legislation in the wake of this shooting.

I have empathy for the victims and their families, but I'll admit that I didn't know any of them. I also have an interest in my continued ability to exercise the rights I enjoy in this country, and other people are already capitalizing on this event as a means of attacking these rights. While I can easily and freely express my sorrow for victims of this shooting, I can also express my concerns regarding misguided political attacks against my rights.
 
#69
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Wonder if it'd be too much to ask the media to precede every mention of this dickbag's name with "The Coward".

As a person I am shocked, as a parent I am horrified, as a gun owner I am worried and as a man I'm fucking pissed off.

Children...the dickbag coward slaughtered innocent children.

Can't imagine that loss....bless them all, the kids AND the adults that reportedly went toward the gunfire...
 
#70
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The shooting in CT earlier today will also likely turn out to be
a major event - in this case, arguments will be made about the
ownership of weapons.

</div></div>

And here we go:
BLOOMBERG: OBAMA MUST TAKE 'IMMEDIATE ACTION' AGAINST GUNS
BOSTON MAYOR MENINO: TIME FOR 'NATIONAL POLICY ON GUNS'
 
#71
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This was a heinous evil act, plain and simple. Normal human beings cannot comprehend such vile acts so it's very hard to protect against them as the most dangerous enemy is the one you know nothing about or cannot see.

I will pray for these young souls who were ripped from their families too soon, and the families that are left behind trying to make sense of it all. In the end they'll be together again, but it will be a long hard journey for the survivors.

As a side note. Guys, this is a community of like minded people with morals and integrity. We shouldn't let stuff like this divide us, but help bring us together.
 
#72
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we all can be gone in a blink of the eye.love each other as brothers,and pray for the fallen and family.what is done today is
done nobody wins here.May God send comfort to them.
 
#73
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And yes, I too will support the motion to UNIFY, rather than divide ourselves.

C'mon guys, be civil, respectful, and maybe even supportively cohesive in this thread, eh?

Let's leave the childish, immature, and controversial "finger-pointing" and adolescent "he-said-she-said-it-said" in the multitude of other threads.

This one surely isn't the time, place, or circumstance for such Assotry.
 
#75
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And yes, I too will support the motion to UNIFY, rather than divide ourselves.

C'mon guys, be civil, respectful, and maybe even supportively cohesive in this thread, eh?

Let's leave the childish, immature, and controversial "finger-pointing" and adolescent "he-said-she-said-it-said" in the multitude of other threads.

This one surely isn't the time, place, or circumstance for such Assotry.

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Agreed.

On the subject at hand this is beyond terrible. Words can't describe the amount of pain that person deserves to feel for eternity. It's incomprehensible what he did.
 
#76
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Terrible, absolutely terrible.

Its been a sickening day watching the news. Prayers for the families and all those involved or touched by this horrible act.
 
#78
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I'm too consumed with rage and frustration about this to offer anything helpful or insightful.

The planned, methodical killing of Children.

The depravity of this horror is wholly separate from the tools used to murder them. The intent, the planning, the desire, the motivation, the act of doing so, is so obviously the real story here that it will not be broached in anything remotely resembling an honest assessment.

We are a society that is overwhelmed by nihilism, sophistry and selfishness to such an extent that honor, sacrifice, deferred gratification and bravery, among the other "ancient" virtues, have become eclipsed.

Murdering children.

What cowardly monster contemplates such an act. And what monsters seek to parlay it into political topspin...





 
#81
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Well said. The only emotion I have more than anger is horror that one could do such a thing. At each point on the journey to the school he could have turned around and gone home without destroying so many lives. Beyond any explanation.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm too consumed with rage and frustration about this to offer anything helpful or insightful.

The planned, methodical killing of Children.

The depravity of this horror is wholly separate from the tools used to murder them. The intent, the planning, the desire, the motivation, the act of doing so, is so obviously the real story here that it will not be broached in anything remotely resembling an honest assessment.

We are a society that is overwhelmed by nihilism, sophistry and selfishness to such an extent that honor, sacrifice, deferred gratification and bravery, among the other "ancient" virtues, have become eclipsed.

Murdering children.

What cowardly monster contemplates such an act. And what monsters seek to parlay it into political topspin...





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#83
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I very seldom post anymore but here goes.
Today in China 22 Children were injured with a knife. Guns aren't the problem, knives aren't the problem, put the blame where it belongs. The sick cowards that target children for any reason. Or, bastards target anyone for that matter. I taught school in all grades K-12 in my 34 years as a teacher this event today makes me sick beyond most everything I've ever encountered.
As our population grows We live in an increasingly more violent society. Our games are violent, a lot of the music has violence, our movies are violent. Violence makes billions of dollars and babysits our children. They are being desentisitized to it. I once asked my elementary and middle students what TV and movies they are allowed to watch BY THEIR PARENTS and it would shock you. "Don't bother Mommy or Daddy just go watch TV"
We are media addicts and the more that the media spins this stuff out of control the more people will use this type of outlet to make their sick "statement" whether they live or kill themselves.
Does anyone want to ban extremely violent movies or games? No they woundn't make any money.
I don't know the anwser. We've lost a huge part of our morality. Ban and pass laws all you want but this IMHO won't stop a thing.
Say a prayer for those lost today all over the world. No matter which side of the political fence your on this is a tragic day.

Mike G
 
#84
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Did anybody see the knife attack in China today in an Elementary school? 22 kids cut SEVERELY - while they lived it's the same mentality, just different weapon.

Eric Holder made it very clear today that gun control is coming and the constitution needs changing.
 
#85
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I agree with MikeG about the violent TV and video games and lack of guidence from parents. When I was growing up the most violent thing on Saturday mornings was Wiley coyote and the road runner and Bat Man. My parents even had problems with that.
Anything can be a deadly weapon, from a pencil to guns.

I'm the parent of twin boys and have a grandson and I couldn't imagine what these parents are going thru.
My family sends our thoughts and prayers to all of the families
and all of the victims may rest in peace.
 
#86
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To all of you saints saying "this isn't the time to say/do anything about this or that", it was only days ago that some giant pussy was shooting up a mall. I assume you said, "this isn't the time" then too, huh? Guess what, little kids are dead because the time to do something hasn't come yet....
 
#87
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: allwheeldriven</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know when someone is going to start looking at the drugs we have these kids on. I would be suprised if all these kids didnt have some of the same prescription drugs in common. Why dont they stop blaming guns and look at what these kids are put on as a substitute for parenting and guidance. Just my.02 </div></div>
+1
You are absolutely right.

The drugs used to treat things like ADD/ADHD are incredibly dangerous and over prescribed.

As a physician I find it incredibly scary that teachers and other people with no medical training are allowed to diagnose anyone, much less a child, with what would amount to a neurological disorder without having to have any objective physical proof they do in fact have an issue that can be treated with medication.

I can’t go prescribing medications for heart issues without having a physical indicator that there is a need for it and that the benefits out weight the risks.
For instance, I can’t see a person sweating and breathing heavily and assume he needs a cardiac medication or intervention. I need to see blood pressure, ECG’s, echocardiograms, etc. some sort of evidence that justifies the use of the drugs or treatment.

Prescribing drugs to kids based on subjective symptoms like “he doesn’t sit still” or “he talks in class” is in my opinion unethical and comparable to me running up to a guy working out at the gym and hitting him with a defibrillator because I see he is sweating and breathing hard. The way it works in this country is almost criminal. Schools are paid more to have kids who are on these drugs and it’s easier to drug a child and make him compliant than it is to make the effort to be a better teacher or more attentive parent.

I am not saying these drugs don’t have their place but I will say the types of tests used to actually diagnose neurological disorders like ADD/ADHD are not cheap and most types of insurance wont pay for them so they are not usually done before people are placed on the meds to treat them. And 99% of the time kids aren’t even seen by an actual pediatric psychologist before they are placed on these meds. It’s usually a teacher telling the parents that their kids need to be placed on these meds and then they are sent to a “Dr.” who is actually on the payroll of the companies who make these drugs.

But then again it’s easier to just blame guns rather than consider what’s actually making these kids crazy.
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Allwheeldriven brings to light an important point. We have to take a close look at the effect of children being raised by public schools. I live in a rural area, but many of the youth are totally confused. They are being taught to express themselves with little emphasis on right and wrong.

Broken homes, single parents and unsupervised latch-key kids play a big role too.
 
#88
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I think tragedies like this are all part of an Anti-Gun conspiracy plan. </div></div>

Are you shitting me? CHILDREN ARE DEAD. Your statement quoted above is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.

This country HAS changed.The AGOTUS will spend all the time he has now (because he forgot about "Fast and Furious")working with the anti-gun zealots and rest assured you WILL see more stupid gun laws.--But to even suggest an Anti-gun conspiracy-come on, innocent lives have been cut short.

As much as I feel for the parents of the victims-its hard to ignore the lack of guidance,discipline and morals given to "most" children today:BY THEIR PARENTS!! Games with no losers and trophies for everyone. Non-stop hours of violent video games and the proliferation of the "its not my fault" generation has and will continue to lead to these tragedies.

The "proliferation of assault weapons" is an easy answer-that is obviously wrong. Anyone willing to commit such violence would do it regardless if a firearm was available or not. Anything from a pocket knife to a 5 gallon GASOLINE can set ablaze can kill. But guns are the easy fix and most likely to get kudos from the left.

Freedom and liberty isn't free. These nitwits that kill when their little pitiful world collapses,the "war on drugs" and Terrorism has and continues to weaken what freedom we have left.Those that can't get enough of a NANNY STATE had better take heed. Be careful what you wish for.

As a collective group that truly enjoys the shooting sports and respects the 2nd- WE aren't the majority anymore.
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#89
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I live in this town...have for all my life. I love Newtown...know all of my neighbors...this was the town I'd recommend to any parent.

In fact, have been on scene all day.

I knew most of the parents, I knew some of the kids that died tonight.

This was a tragedy beyond all words...Beyond all measure of the human experience.

It takes a very sadistic animal to aim at a child, much less squeeze the trigger. Regardless of the medium, this individual would have found a way to harm us, just as he did with guns today.

This was a tragic, sad, horrific day...Nothing more. Nothing less...certainly not a day to start a crusade against guns.
 
#90
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Masked</div><div class="ubbcode-body">certainly not a day to start a crusade against guns.</div></div>

That seems to depend on who you are...
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#91
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Brothers and Sisters, not trying to sound like an alarmist, BUT!! I am truly afraid that this is going to be the one that polarizes all the ANTI-GUN nuts in D.C. the pres. is already stating that it needs to be done fast and completely . I don't see him waiting till April for the next U.N. Treaty Vote. Truth is we all KNOW that if teachers and school supervisors were allowed to carry CCW on school grounds these feeble minded douche-nozzles wouldn't try these target rich undefended places for their f--kin massacres. What worries me the most is as it states in the Bible toward the end of days Satan and his minions would have free reign on Earth! We as a nation and a people have gotten away from and turned our backs on the Lord and he gives us exactly what we are asking for. Few things bring tears to my eyes anymore but this just about broke me down. May God have mercy and compassion on the families of lost ones!!!
 
#92
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To all of you saints saying "this isn't the time to say/do anything about this or that", it was only days ago that some giant pussy was shooting up a mall. I assume you said, "this isn't the time" then too, huh? Guess what, little kids are dead because the time to do something hasn't come yet.... </div></div>

So, then, what do we do? What's the game plan? How do we explain that we want to continue to enjoy the same set of circumstances, i.e., access to weapons, that they will say contributed to the deaths of all of these kids and adults at this elementary school, without managing to sound incredibly insensitive?

I went to the range today, but not before I heard the first details of this gruesome turn of events in Connecticut, and I can only say that, of all the range trips in my life, this is the one in which my heart was most truly not in it at all. And yet I know that in the act of going, I wasn't giving in to what the other side wants us to do: internalizing and making personal the guilt and shame for this heinous act <span style="font-style: italic">as a firearms owner.</span>

They want us to give in to the sensation of a tipping point of sorts, where our right to protect ourselves and others from harm becomes trumped by the need for society to feel themselves relatively safe from such twisted shits as this shooter in Connecticut. And yet I know that we have no safety from someone committed to an act of violence. Just as much havoc could have been wreaked with a sledgehammer and a brace of hand axes, but the politicians want to sell assurances to a fearful and gullible public, like so many indulgences.

The only chance that we have of meeting such violence head-on is to address the pre-conditioning that brings such individuals to the brink of sociopathic rage. This is a societal chore, by no means easily achieved, and uprooting every firearm in the country and melting them into something more palatable will do nothing to achieve it. It sells well, but will buy us nothing, and the cost will ultimately be the integrity of our Constitution, to say nothing of the personal cost that might be borne by so many of us.
 
#93
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Sounds like momma fucked with him til he snapped and killed her. Why he killed the children is another question. I really dont understand how the cops could search his brothers apt and sieze his computer...

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Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old who killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut this morning, was "obviously not well," a relative told ABC News.

Family friends in Newtown also described the young man as troubled and described his mother Nancy as very rigid. "[Adam] was not connected with the other kids," said one friend.

Late today, police said Nancy Lanza's body was found in the family home. According to sources, Lanza shot his mother in the face, then left the house armed with at least two semi-automatic handguns and a semi-automatic rifle.

State and federal authorities believe his mother may have once worked at the elementary school where Adam went on his deadly rampage, although she was not a teacher, according to relatives, perhaps a volunteer.

As part of the investigation authorities searched the New Jersey apartment of Adam's older brother Ryan in Hoboken, New Jersey.

Police had initially identified Ryan as the killer, until he sent out a series of Facebook posts saying it wasn't him and that he was at work all day.

Sources told ABC News that Ryan, 24, works as a senior person in Ernst and Young's tax practice in Manhattan.

"He's a tax guy and he is clean as a whistle," a source familiar with his work said.

Ryan has worked at the firm 4 years.

Today the NYPD and FBI went to Ernst & Young and removed Ryan's laptop and other possessions, which is part of the normal investigative process.

Officials were interviewing Ryan and his father, but neither person was under any suspicion, multiple sources said.
 
#94
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To all of you saints saying "this isn't the time to say/do anything about this or that", it was only days ago that some giant pussy was shooting up a mall. I assume you said, "this isn't the time" then too, huh? Guess what, little kids are dead because the time to do something hasn't come yet.... </div></div>

So, then, what do we do? What's the game plan? How do we explain that we want to continue to enjoy the same set of circumstances, i.e., access to weapons, that they will say contributed to the deaths of all of these kids and adults at this elementary school, without managing to sound incredibly insensitive?

I went to the range today, but not before I heard the first details of this gruesome turn of events in Connecticut, and I can only say that, of all the range trips in my life, this is the one in which my heart was most truly not in it at all. And yet I know that in the act of going, I wasn't giving in to what the other side wants us to do: internalizing and making personal the guilt and shame for this heinous act <span style="font-style: italic">as a firearms owner.</span>

They want us to give in to the sensation of a tipping point of sorts, where our right to protect ourselves and others from harm becomes trumped by the need for society to feel themselves relatively safe from such twisted shits as this shooter in Connecticut. And yet I know that we have no safety from someone committed to an act of violence. <span style="color: #CC0000"> Just as much havoc could have been wreaked with a sledgehammer and a brace of hand axes,</span> but the politicians want to sell assurances to a fearful and gullible public, like so many indulgences.

The only chance that we have of meeting such violence head-on is to address the pre-conditioning that brings such individuals to the brink of sociopathic rage. This is a societal chore, by no means easily achieved, and uprooting every firearm in the country and melting them into something more palatable will do nothing to achieve it. It sells well, but will buy us nothing, and the cost will ultimately be the integrity of our Constitution, to say nothing of the personal cost that might be borne by so many of us.

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Or a knife, like in China. Well stated Veer.
 
#95
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It may already be too late now, but if it isn't, we supporters of gun ownership and rights need to figure out a way show the others that we are just as determined to stop this kind of shit as they are.

It's too late for us to lock arms and keep saying, "pry it from my cold dead hands".
 
#96
Re: CT elementary school shooting.

Gentlemen
I live 16 miles from this school. I am a Battalion Chief on a Paid Fire Department, former Paramedic. Many of my friends were the first medics on the scene. There is a TON of mis-information being givin. This kid had major issues, mental issues, his Mom, owned the 2 rifles and 2 handguns. This person killed these kids with the handguns, not the AR as what was previosly said. This kid was let into the school, as he was well known. He snapped. It doesnt matter really, I, like many of you, am a father. I too was at the range today when it happened. I just had to put the guns away, and forget about it for a while. But, as the people who responded there say,,,nothing was going to stop this kid from what he intended to do from the minute he woke up. And there is nothing that is going to prevent it. CCW or not, most people, your average citizen, does not train at all with any kind of weapon, never mind a handgun that will need to be used in a classroom full of kids. Maybe you and I, but not the typical classroom. There are no answers, but rest be sure..we will be the scapegoats. So, let us just lie low for a couple of days. The primary thoughts should be with the parents of the kids, who's presents are currently under the trees, and who will not open them. Then, get ready for the battle. In CT here, I know they will go after the 5.56, and the mags, and most likely try to do a CA law. But, we already have the toughest laws in the country, so I don't know what more they can do. But again...just say a prayer for the kids. We all love em, and when you do that...say a quick one for the guys and girls who went inside and had to pronouce all those kids. They were not worked...only 4 were transported. Be safe.
 
#97
Re: CT elementary school shooting.

My son's pre-K class put on a Christmas program tonight at our church. They sang a bunch of Christmas songs and even wore little antlers on their heads to sing Rudolph.

There were 17 little ones up there including my son. All I could think about was how wonderful they all were and how happy they all were while 20 other little ones just like them will not be opening presents on Christmas and how their families are forever destroyed.

I have not felt this horrible since I watched the twin towers get hit in NYC. I am truly troubled, to my very core, by this. Except this time, we will not be united and there is no one to retaliate against. When I die, I will GLADLY go to hell just to find this motherfucker and make him pay for what he did the son of a bitch.
 
#99
Re: CT elementary school shooting.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So, then, what do we do? What's the game plan? How do we explain that we want to continue to enjoy the same set of circumstances, i.e., access to weapons, that they will say contributed to the deaths of all of these kids and adults at this elementary school, without managing to sound incredibly insensitive?

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I don't know the absolute answer. I do know, what we have been doing isn't working. Murderers kill freely in places that the law restricts defense weapons. The routine is getting old. We see the reports, become outraged, mourn, fight over issues that are not even close to being a root problem, then change the channel and move on. Quit worrying about being insensitive and the ridicule of others. Excessive sensitivity is one of the many many variables that contribute to a mentality that can lead to an event such as this. The ones that need to mourn will. We don't need to be told when and how to mourn. That's an individual process. Do it however the hell you want. What is not an individual issue is that society as a whole needs to take this on. A law or president will never fix it. Self-reliance will. The problem is this country is evolving into a society that does not condone self-reliance. We are forced by law to wait on someone else to solve our problems. Fuck the laws. Do what you have to in order to defend your loved ones. They can't put us all in jail. If you do so in an intelligent manner, no one will ever know any different. When they do, you won't give a shit. It is likely that not one single member of the faculty at this school would have concealed carry if they were allowed to. We will never know, because we don't afford them the chance. Sure, if a teacher carries at school, a student will eventually gain access to their firearm and some bad shit will go down. That will suck, but it beats the shit out of burying 20 babies.
 
#100
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I just had an epiphany of sorts..... It's obvious and shouldn't even have to be said, but I'm afraid we've complicated the shit out of a simple fact. You can not prevent the unthinkable. There is no way to recognize it, no way to learn about it, and no way to prepare for it. While all of the talk about religion, video games, child rearing, gun control, mental health, and medical practice may hold merit, there is nothing we can ever do to prevent a single person from acting against our social contract. All we can do is assemble a "first aid kit" and pray that it will suffice. Sometimes it won't, but if it does once that is better than nothing.
 
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