IDK, I think it's just as important. I just finished installing an xrs chassis on my 457. From what I can see the screw holes are not exact and leave a bit of room even if it is torqued down. They say turn the gun up and seat the action against the lug before tightening. I did this and could feel it seat firmly.
CZ 457
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MAG CZ 452/453/455/457/512 .22 LR/ MACH 2 10 RD POLY
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Yeah, he's still in business, but he only works when he wants to - it's more of a hobby than a full-time business. His products are definitely worth the wait!
Taking it out to the range tomorrow and see how it does and see what ammo it likes I got lucky on the scope it was 50% off for memorial day threw Vortex so i was able to justify a better scope . I have a suppressor in jail a Surefire Ryder hopefully it will be free in 90 days
I sell quite a few .22lr rifles. The CZs are the most accurate out of the box, compared to Bergara, Christensen, Ruger, Savage, etc.
I've found that for cheap ammo the federal auto match is good to 100 yds. Sub 1" groups with about 1 in 10 rounds having a flier.
For 300 yds the Aguila 40 grain super extra is good for 4"-5" groups. 1.5"-2" at 100yds.
My go to for sub moa is RWS R50. Kinda pricey but the results speak for themselves.
457 will give voodoos a run for their $.
The AT ONE Boyds stock is a beauty.
I've found that for cheap ammo the federal auto match is good to 100 yds. Sub 1" groups with about 1 in 10 rounds having a flier.
For 300 yds the Aguila 40 grain super extra is good for 4"-5" groups. 1.5"-2" at 100yds.
My go to for sub moa is RWS R50. Kinda pricey but the results speak for themselves.
457 will give voodoos a run for their $.
The AT ONE Boyds stock is a beauty.
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Why did you buy and sell so many CZ, did it take that many rifles to get one to shoot straight. It only took me one CZ to figure out that it would be far cheaper to order a custom 22 with exact chassis and action made by gunsmiths that know what they are doing and skip the upgrade game of a production rifle made on an assembly line. It proved to be the right decision, there is no comparison that can be made between any production rifle and a custom rifle. The B14R is one example that is currently being hyped up as the go to rifle of the year that is almost as good as a Vudoo after spending $1500 in parts and machine work to straighten the barreled action. Desert precision gun works channel shows how work must be done to fix a production unit to get close to a custom rifle. I have learned the hard way, now I only buy the best custom rifles and enjoy knowing that the weak link is the operator and not the hardware. Glad to see that the CZ are working out. They really look good.
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Maybe he owns a gun shop?
lol! You spend way to much time trying to justify spending 6-7 times as much for the same results. Hey, I get that you have to justify it in your mind, but don’t think you’re really fooling anyone.
But, it’s okay and I know that you’re happy with your choice, you tell us every chance that you get. I do happen to like the custom .22s also. Who wouldn’t. Enjoy it.
I’m in the process of putting together a custom. I have a 2500X receiver and a Shilen Ratchet barrel blank. It’ll be a one trick pony though. My CZ 457 won a ARA Factory class match last night. I can just change scopes and shoot NRL22 with it. I could even hunt with it if I wanted to, but I will use my 452 American or 457 Trainer for that. I’ve also shot 2500’s in ARA Factory class with the squirrel rifle 452 American.
That is a mirage tube. One of the venues I shoot at, you’re indoors shooting out of a window. When it’s hot outside and cool inside (and vice versa) mirage is so bad the reticle looks like a belly dancer if you don’t have a tube.
I buy and sell so many because I'm a dealer, 07 FFL. They sell themselves, especially at the range around custom rifles. I shoot with quite a few guys with $2 - $3k in their rifles. They are nice but I am 1|3 their cost or better.
Those rotten CZs have been winning their fair share of matches round here against some really expensive plinkers. Usually comes down to the shooter.
300+ yds is where it's at though.
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I agree with you. I have wasted so much time and money buying stuff after reading forums that were totally useless because the comments were fanboys justifying how good the poorly made production hardware is if you just upgrade the barrel, trigger and chassis to get the bargain bin special to perform just like a custom. It's all good, it's the journey of all hobbies from RV's to fishing, the game to buy cheap and to spend as much as you came trying to get it to work. Everyone has said, I should have bought the brand X if I only had the money. High expectations and poor results is life. That is why I always take a bucket of thunderbolt to the range when I take the Anschutz 1710 out and wonder why it doesn't meet my expectations. I was told that a better scope should get the Annie shooting straight. Upgrade will cost way money but you will never get back the years of frustration living with poor results as you lower your expectations. Have fun, aim high and don't be average.
Oh, btw. My CZ is Stock except for a picatinny bipod rail and an extended mag release catch. Shoots just fine, thank you for your concern.
I have to treat it differently than a "hobby". I have to sell to make $. It's very hard for me to sell products that are months on backorder and a lot of specialty stuff requires $10k in stocking dealer items to even get your foot in the door. I look at it as having said amount of $ tied up for no reason. In 3 months I can have $10k of factory rifles sold and get my 25% return. The other thing is that I pay for everything I sell as I do not believe in debt.
It's a hard sell when I can't even have a customer look at, touch & test the item that starts at 3x - 4x the price. It's an easy sell when we are at the range and I allow them to do all of the above with something that, in the worse case, I'll have it at my door in 2-3 days.
That's what I was thinking. NW FL here.
Y’all should go to Arena in Blakley GA this sat for the NRLX22 match and settle this there. I to have a bone stock CZ 457 and a Vortex DBT scope so it’s in base class NRL22 #2563
Any of you guys have the American synthetic stock from factory? If so what bi pod are you running?
I have three CZ457s - an American, Varmint MTR, and Varmint Precision Trainer in the Manners PRS1T stock. I fell in lust with the American's appearance after seeing the initial advertisements for it in 2017, and the MTR's stock plus the match chambered barrel had a strong appeal as well. I have a one-man gunsmithing shop & ffl, and finding an American was easy, but it took a few months before I was able to find the MTR. The American didn't shoot worth a hoot, even after pulling the OEM bbl to recut a precision 11* crown (factory crown was fugly & ragged), but I kept shooting it due to the CZ fans over on RFC saying it sometimes takes 1000rds before a factory barrel comes around. The MTR OTOH, shot really well right out of the box, and adjusting the trigger for a break just over 1lb made it easier to shoot decent groups at 50yds with it.
Eventually, I decided to re-barrel the American instead of selling it off. Reasoned that I really liked the appearance of the factory sporter stock and the very smooth & reliable function of the action. I bought a Shilen ratchet in #5 contour, parted off the 1.20" shank, and turned the transition radius down to a tenon that was a nice snug fit in the action. Cut a match chamber with my EPS reamer, then milled the extractor slots, set the headspace at .043", and glued it into the action with Loctite #609. That got me away from having to cut the deep grub screw seats, and eliminated the stress on the action & bbl that grub screws create. That rifle now shoots as good as it looks (maybe better), and I'm very pleased with it. No, I don't shoot it in competition, but it's just what I was after in the 1st place - a classy looking sporter that's very accurate.
I decided to buy the VPT because of the appeal of the Manners stock - I have three V22 repeaters in PRS1T stocks, so obviously like that stock. However, the factory 24" bbl had issues, though it did shoot considerably better than the American's factory bbl had done. I put 500+rds through it at 50yds, and felt that groups had improved a fair amount since new, but when I took it out to 100 & 200yds, it fell on its face - couldn't even keep 10rds of a known good lot of SK Rifle Match on an 8" gong at 200. So another Shilen was ordered - this one a straight, no taper of .860" dia. Repeated the same process that I'd used on the American's Shilen, and wound up with another very accurate rifle.
So, in my experience, two out of three factory CZ barrels were really unsatisfactory, and had to be replaced. I don't know if CZ has improved the quality of their barrels since I bought my rifles, but have to wonder about that, with the current positive posts in this thread claiming good accuracy out of the box. I've been happy with the fact that CZ designed the 457 with a fully adjustable trigger - not many companies seem to have the courage to sell a design that allows owners to easily tune their triggers, especially in today's sue-happy society. I wouldn't have spent the time or money to re-barrel the two 457s that needed better barrels if I didn't really like the action. Granted, my experience with custom barrels that I've fitted & chambered on 22RF rifles I've built for myself (Stiller 2500XR, two CMP 40Xs converted into repeaters by Jelrod, three V22 repeaters and two V22S single shots) raised my accuracy expectations & standards to a level that very few factory repeaters in the 457's price range will ever achieve. But like I said before, I like the 457 action, and applaud CZ's efforts to bring a quality 22RF rifle to market at the price point.
Eventually, I decided to re-barrel the American instead of selling it off. Reasoned that I really liked the appearance of the factory sporter stock and the very smooth & reliable function of the action. I bought a Shilen ratchet in #5 contour, parted off the 1.20" shank, and turned the transition radius down to a tenon that was a nice snug fit in the action. Cut a match chamber with my EPS reamer, then milled the extractor slots, set the headspace at .043", and glued it into the action with Loctite #609. That got me away from having to cut the deep grub screw seats, and eliminated the stress on the action & bbl that grub screws create. That rifle now shoots as good as it looks (maybe better), and I'm very pleased with it. No, I don't shoot it in competition, but it's just what I was after in the 1st place - a classy looking sporter that's very accurate.
I decided to buy the VPT because of the appeal of the Manners stock - I have three V22 repeaters in PRS1T stocks, so obviously like that stock. However, the factory 24" bbl had issues, though it did shoot considerably better than the American's factory bbl had done. I put 500+rds through it at 50yds, and felt that groups had improved a fair amount since new, but when I took it out to 100 & 200yds, it fell on its face - couldn't even keep 10rds of a known good lot of SK Rifle Match on an 8" gong at 200. So another Shilen was ordered - this one a straight, no taper of .860" dia. Repeated the same process that I'd used on the American's Shilen, and wound up with another very accurate rifle.
So, in my experience, two out of three factory CZ barrels were really unsatisfactory, and had to be replaced. I don't know if CZ has improved the quality of their barrels since I bought my rifles, but have to wonder about that, with the current positive posts in this thread claiming good accuracy out of the box. I've been happy with the fact that CZ designed the 457 with a fully adjustable trigger - not many companies seem to have the courage to sell a design that allows owners to easily tune their triggers, especially in today's sue-happy society. I wouldn't have spent the time or money to re-barrel the two 457s that needed better barrels if I didn't really like the action. Granted, my experience with custom barrels that I've fitted & chambered on 22RF rifles I've built for myself (Stiller 2500XR, two CMP 40Xs converted into repeaters by Jelrod, three V22 repeaters and two V22S single shots) raised my accuracy expectations & standards to a level that very few factory repeaters in the 457's price range will ever achieve. But like I said before, I like the 457 action, and applaud CZ's efforts to bring a quality 22RF rifle to market at the price point.
Nice write-up and review of the 457. Like you said, results vary and "ya never know 'til ya try" always factors in. Enjoy your CZ's and the others as well.
lil'skeet - Should've mentioned that I bought two 457 Americans & a Varmint in that 1st order, thinking that one of the Americans would have a nice looking stock, and I'd sell the other one. Well, the nice stocked rifle that I kept was the one that didn't shoot, and I've never shot either the 2nd American nor the Varmint, as I bought them to sell. Evidently, western Kansas isn't overrun with shooters who're interested in the CZ rimfire rifle line-up, as I've still got both of these rifles, still NIB. I took them to a couple of the gunshows that I routinely display at - didn't get any interest in either rifle. I even took them down to a friend's shop who has a good deal of traffic through his store, with a wide range of RF & CF rifles and handguns, and who is also a Class III/SOT, and who somehow manages to keep a decent supply of handloading components in stock. I figured he'd sell both of them within a couple of weeks...wrong. Evidently, there aren't a whole lot of RFC members out here in this end of the state...
Flatland1 Just switch stocks. They are interchangable and no serialized number. Put the American you didn't shoot into the wone that not shooting well and see how it does.
Not surprised. Despite being something of a CZ fan, most non-PRS22 shooting people don't know what they are. Heck! *I* didn't before I bought one. Saw a USPSA competition guy bring his Shadow 2 into the LGS I frequent and went 'oooh purty!'
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I suppose I could've done that, but then what would I have done with the bbl'd action that didn't shoot well? I wouldn't have wanted to have sold it to anyone else, especially not a friend. No, like I said, now I've got what I wanted in the 1st place - a good-looking sporter that's very accurate.
I agree, 'pre-loading' the action with some pressure might help it bind. I got a key the right thickness and then had to dremel tool it fit- making it more half moon shape and taking a bit off the width.
Seems to me that recoil lugs in metal chassis need some kind of mating technique.
Seems to me that recoil lugs in metal chassis need some kind of mating technique.
stupid n00b questions contd
I think my pressure on the mags was causing my rifle to mis-feed the other day. Is there something other than an ARCA rail that'll bolt to the bottom of my At-One stock that'll keep pressure off the mag?
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I think my pressure on the mags was causing my rifle to mis-feed the other day. Is there something other than an ARCA rail that'll bolt to the bottom of my At-One stock that'll keep pressure off the mag?
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have a bipod for when I need it.
Shooting off a ladder and a mini Game Changer or another prop and it seems to be putting pressure on the mag
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Maybe I missed something in an earlier post, but sounds to me like you just need to not lean in to the barricade so much that you put pressure on the mag.
Just finished putting mine together. 22 WMR with a KRG Bravo, MDT base, and Vortex Diamondback 4-16 in Vortex pro rings.
Well I finally got my little cz all set up…really surprised how accurate it is.Now I got to fight my son to shoot it!
Yes, ANY barrel, in any length and in any caliber that is designated to fit a CZ 455/457 will fit on your gun. ( The 20" Varmint MTR barrel being just one of them). They all mount the same. I'm running a 22" IBI Match barrel on one of my 457's myself. This one started as a 17 HMR American.
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Long time lurker here,
New CZ LRP build in progress:
Drilled T-nut and M5 bolt,
Amazon 300mm Arca rail,
Accu-tac Bipod,
Toolless adjust for comb (M5x30mm (comb height) and M5x25mm (butt)- coarse thread pitch) knurled/machined thumb screw bolts
Added 2 factory spacers to extend LOP.
Action work: smooth/polish bolt, stone/polish sear/trigger surface, new trigger spring.
Picatinny rail cover for the rear monopod rail (reduces scuffing).
This rifle comes standard with 25MOA rail so added Athlon medium rings 1.16" height, and Vortex Eagle Strike 5-25x56.
For my cheek positioning the comb is just high enough for me to remove the bolt easily so no blockage there. The toolless adjust makes it easy for me to adjust comb if it is an issue. No need to lug around a T25 torx screw driver.
Future mods :
Neoprene wrap for adjustable cheek pad.
Trying out some soft bedding material to stabilize action/receiver but not be permanent,
Scope mounted bubble level,
Possible flush mounted QD cup in the stock fore-end, to match the rear QD cup with sling use (sling nuts removed for Arca rail - factory were loose, not aligned well and had wood screw threading).
Still debating the bolt knob. The feel is good but the rubber cover on it has decent grip but feels odd.
The LRP with the fluted barrel and match chamber came with a slight rear heavy balance, now with the Arca rail and bipod it balances nicely right in front of the magazine release. Good for tripod use and balance on barricades.
Shot this rifle bone stock to get a feel for it before making upgrades. Used Norma Tac @ 50 yards under .5moa groups (I believe it can do better but our self made rules says front tripod only no rear bag/support. Will try better ammo. Shot more consistent than a friends AT-One 24" non-match barrel with same ammo. Hoping these mods will make it feel better for me and make it easier to shoot it better. It shoots better than me for sure.
Bought it because a bunch of friends are starting a friendly weekly competition using hostage targets printed on 8.5x11. They all shoot CZ 457 in different configs. 2 x MTR, 1 LRP, American, AT-One, PV so I can test and compare them side by side. I now have the second LRP in the group. It was a toss between this and the AT-ONE. but the AT-One did not come with match barrel. May upgrade to chassis later or build a custom and keep this as is. If anyone wants additional images of the build please let me know. I'll do what I can.
New CZ LRP build in progress:
Drilled T-nut and M5 bolt,
Amazon 300mm Arca rail,
Accu-tac Bipod,
Toolless adjust for comb (M5x30mm (comb height) and M5x25mm (butt)- coarse thread pitch) knurled/machined thumb screw bolts
Added 2 factory spacers to extend LOP.
Action work: smooth/polish bolt, stone/polish sear/trigger surface, new trigger spring.
Picatinny rail cover for the rear monopod rail (reduces scuffing).
This rifle comes standard with 25MOA rail so added Athlon medium rings 1.16" height, and Vortex Eagle Strike 5-25x56.
For my cheek positioning the comb is just high enough for me to remove the bolt easily so no blockage there. The toolless adjust makes it easy for me to adjust comb if it is an issue. No need to lug around a T25 torx screw driver.
Future mods :
Neoprene wrap for adjustable cheek pad.
Trying out some soft bedding material to stabilize action/receiver but not be permanent,
Scope mounted bubble level,
Possible flush mounted QD cup in the stock fore-end, to match the rear QD cup with sling use (sling nuts removed for Arca rail - factory were loose, not aligned well and had wood screw threading).
Still debating the bolt knob. The feel is good but the rubber cover on it has decent grip but feels odd.
The LRP with the fluted barrel and match chamber came with a slight rear heavy balance, now with the Arca rail and bipod it balances nicely right in front of the magazine release. Good for tripod use and balance on barricades.
Shot this rifle bone stock to get a feel for it before making upgrades. Used Norma Tac @ 50 yards under .5moa groups (I believe it can do better but our self made rules says front tripod only no rear bag/support. Will try better ammo. Shot more consistent than a friends AT-One 24" non-match barrel with same ammo. Hoping these mods will make it feel better for me and make it easier to shoot it better. It shoots better than me for sure.
Bought it because a bunch of friends are starting a friendly weekly competition using hostage targets printed on 8.5x11. They all shoot CZ 457 in different configs. 2 x MTR, 1 LRP, American, AT-One, PV so I can test and compare them side by side. I now have the second LRP in the group. It was a toss between this and the AT-ONE. but the AT-One did not come with match barrel. May upgrade to chassis later or build a custom and keep this as is. If anyone wants additional images of the build please let me know. I'll do what I can.
yes it will fit. easy to do. I did it to my 457 Varmint Precision. Took the Barrel from my MTR when i installed a Lilja barrel on to the MRT Varmint.
I have a lefty varmint waiting for me at my local ffl. I had a lefty 452 that I souped up over time that I sold off when I did a rim x. I regret that to this day, really dumb move, that rifle was a hammer and what the hell was I thinking that I could get by with just 1 22lr rifle.
Had some correspondence with KRG and I think for now Im just gonna go ahead and mod a bravo. It's going to be a day and night field rifle so the ability to attach this and that and adjust accordingly makes the bravo chassis a favorable choice for me.
Always been a fan of cz rimfire rifles and really looking forward to this guy.
First outing today for the new 457
The 24" barrel isn't quite the handicap in a MARS match that I thought it would be. Not lots of gates or in and out of gaps in the barricades tho.
I can tell I haven't shot the rifle in a bit 'cause I wasn't building good positions today. Lots of misses because the reticle was all over the target(s)
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The 24" barrel isn't quite the handicap in a MARS match that I thought it would be. Not lots of gates or in and out of gaps in the barricades tho.
I can tell I haven't shot the rifle in a bit 'cause I wasn't building good positions today. Lots of misses because the reticle was all over the target(s)
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