Did Steiner just quietly build the MPO we have all been asking for? H6xi
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I took mu newly mounted 2-12 out to zero yesterday. The below photo isn't great, but it does show that the fine reticle might get lost a bit on the shoot and sees. But it was still usable. The illumination sorta helped, ish.
I know the scope isn't necessarily designed for shooting groups of small bulls-eyes.
Also, to a question above, yes you can mount a 12:00 RDS; I have a ACRO2 on a Reptilia mount and it *just* clears the bell. Like, theres a sliver of daylight but a piece of paper doesn't slide through.
I know the scope isn't necessarily designed for shooting groups of small bulls-eyes.
Also, to a question above, yes you can mount a 12:00 RDS; I have a ACRO2 on a Reptilia mount and it *just* clears the bell. Like, theres a sliver of daylight but a piece of paper doesn't slide through.
There's no world in which a thin FFP tree reticle of this design is going to be genuinely useful as a duplex reticle at 2x, unless it is extremely thick like a S&B P3, SWFA Mil quad, LRHS, or the THLR reticle.
Even the Athlon AHMR2 (which is considerably thicker than this) isn't that great on 2x. 3x magnification is about as low as you can practically go before you need to start including high visibility features in the reticle.
There is no free lunch here, the reticle just isn't thick enough to be easily visible at 2x. Guys can convince themselves that it's good enough, but there only so much you can ignore reality through wishful thinking.
I think the pendulum is swinging and now some of these comments overstate how useless the reticle is at 2x. Nobody expects it to be the best thing ever, but those T-posts are clearly visible and extend pretty far inward. I think it’ll do a lot for quick engagements along with the illuminated reticle. NF’s Mil-XT is pretty thin and small for its complexity at 4x as well
For shooting 2 legged and large 4 legged animals at 25yards or closer anything will work, but that's not the point.
If I wanted a reticle that was perfect for 10-12x and barely useful at 2-5x then I'd buy the 3-18 version.
If the reticle isn't easily visible and usable in all lighting conditions, on all target sizes at 2-4x then what's the point in the magnification going that low?
Here is the reticle at 2x and 12x
Do I think it's usable at 2x? Yes. "Enough" so...? That's too subjective to answer. The inner reticle lines are thin, but the thicker 3-6-9 lines do draw the eye inward. Should they be thicker or more "arrow-head like?" I think that would be helpful.
While I can't quantify how much so, the lines are more crisp, visible, and noticeable IRL vs the photos. This is true for the primary"T" as well as the wind holds. The latter are completely lost in the photo, but were not IRL.
The scope was balanced on a fence and this was the view I could easily get. But when I swung the scope to a darker spot (eg the shaded area at the 3:00 edge of the first photo), the scope did a good job of transmitting the details.
Do I think it's usable at 2x? Yes. "Enough" so...? That's too subjective to answer. The inner reticle lines are thin, but the thicker 3-6-9 lines do draw the eye inward. Should they be thicker or more "arrow-head like?" I think that would be helpful.
While I can't quantify how much so, the lines are more crisp, visible, and noticeable IRL vs the photos. This is true for the primary"T" as well as the wind holds. The latter are completely lost in the photo, but were not IRL.
The scope was balanced on a fence and this was the view I could easily get. But when I swung the scope to a darker spot (eg the shaded area at the 3:00 edge of the first photo), the scope did a good job of transmitting the details.
Thank you for sharing. This does not look very different than say Vortex EBR-7 reticle at 3x IMO
It does.
But I always find through the scope pics to be highly deceiving. For whatever reason, reticles always look much difference IRL then through a picture.
I think I'll be snagging both the 2-12 and 3-18, waiting for Otto to get back to me. I have the Athlon 2-12 and Meopta 3-18 with the MRAD1 reticle which is awesome but it's a BIG scope and I need smaller. About the time I purchase both, Athlon will release their new 2-12 Cronus w/Japanese glass and Meopta will come out with a smaller 3-18. It's like washing my car. It always rains the next day, LOL.
Id say deceiving (the reticle is more crisp irl and also more noticeable), but I won't argue that Steiner erred on the side of fine line over thick line.
I like it enough to play with it for a while. If the NF's FC-DMx made it into a similar package... that would be enticing.
Yeah I'm very tempted to snag a 2-12 from Otto, I already have a 1-8 Nx8 with the DMX on the way for the gun I'd put it on though. I really wish they thought through the reticle more.
The true test is looking through them with your own eyes, outdoors, against a low contrast target.
I've seen and used enough reticles to know what works and what doesn't.
I've done enough low light/low visibility testing, and enough shooting with lower powered FFP scopes I've got a fair idea of what works amd doesn't.
Based on the reticle design and subtensions, very seldom does a reticle look any different in person than online.
Some parts of the design might work better or worse in person than what you see in a picture, but something as simple as general thickness/visibility doesn't really change between reticle designs.
I thought the Athlon AHMR2 reticle was barely visible enough on 2x, so the probability of this reticle being the same visibility or better is basically 0%.
I don't see the point in spending $1500 to try something I'm 99% sure I'm not going to be happy with.
Sure the only way to know 100% is to use it yourself for 12 months in a variety of conditions, but you can get most of the way extrapolating experiences with similar scopes/reticles.
Having used/owned the 2.5-15 t6xi, 3-18 t6xi, 3-15 RT15, 5-25 Xtr2, 3.3-18 xtr3, and 5.5-30 xtr3 with the scr and scr2 reticles, i can tell by looking at pics that the reticle is way too thin at max mag. Making it useless at lower mags. As much as I love Burris/Steiner, they've been bad about adjusting reticles for lower power variants for a while.
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Ask about the special pricing deal he is doing in reference to Bruiser's IG post.
I tried looking for that secret, no luck.
Instagram does my head in, I have no idea how anyone uses that bloody website.
How does that help if somebody does not have Instagram? Or gets lost? Why not do something nice and post a link for those that fit in those categories?
The info is literally 3 posts above yours. You want him to hold your hand and fill out the order sheet for you also?
You dont need the IG link.. just follow my instructions and email Otto.
Not the entire order sheet, just put in his credit card info is enough.
Flip is reselling Steiner now? How far the mighty have fallen.
@Deepwoods any side profile pics of the scope mounted with the ACRO on top? Have the same 30mm Reptilia AUS mount and wanted to see the clearance with an ACRO.
Thanks!
Thanks!
The photo shows no space, but there is a very small sliver of light. I pressed on it a bit and I don't think you risk hitting the scope unless you really knock it.
Lol nobody is playing 1700 for these. There are a few listings with no takers at 1400.
That’s sort of disingenuous considering these Mil models have only been out for a month or two. Steiner hasn’t done any marketing on them and no real “Guntuber” has reviewed it yet. My guess is by this time next year it’ll be tough to find one for sub $1400
Isn’t there one for sale in the PX for $1275, right now? (No…it’s not mine)
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It interfered with the Spuhr A-0010 interface. I had to fix the problem with a dremel. It needs only moderate relief and I was done in 10 minutes. The forward tube length is very short and my Spuhr SP-3616 fits with zero room for adjustment fore or aft.
I have a ACRO on mine--there's a so-so photo posted above--and it clears. Barely, but it clears.
The reticle sucks on 2x. They failed again.
I’ve said it before.. look at the new maven 2.5-15. They got much closer than this abortion of a reticle.
I’ve said it before.. look at the new maven 2.5-15. They got much closer than this abortion of a reticle.
Did your card ever get charged? I emailed him on Monday and he copied orders, no charge still.
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