Do you think "mass shootings" would go down if...
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The state mental health systems in this country were dismantled in the 1980s under Republicans. Getting rid of all the looney bins (for valid reasons) effectively turned all these defectives loose on us. In countries with robust mental hospitals this happens far less, because there is a place to put people, get them help, and out of circulation without putting them in prison. Ours had become more like prisons, but we should have reformed them rather than eliminating them.
I don’t see how you can argue with segregating potentially violent, mentally Ill people from society. That said, there is a ton of history of corrupt states using that as a weapon against their political enemies. We have a totally and completely corrupt government. We can’t solve the problem with a government as corrupt as it is. We can’t solve anything. We’re fucked.
I don’t see how you can argue with segregating potentially violent, mentally Ill people from society. That said, there is a ton of history of corrupt states using that as a weapon against their political enemies. We have a totally and completely corrupt government. We can’t solve the problem with a government as corrupt as it is. We can’t solve anything. We’re fucked.
This country *used* to be ostensibly Christian. The values and belief systems of the first colonists have been sacrificed on the altar of progressivism.
Oingo Boingo had a song about this in the 80s
Johnny was bad
Even as a child everybody could tell
Everyone said, "If you don't get straight you'll surely go to Hell"
But, Johnny didn't care
He was an outlaw by the time that he was ten years old
He didn't wanna do what he was told
Just a prankster
A juvenile gangster
His teachers didn't understand
They kicked him out of school
At a tender early age just because
He didn't want to learn things
Had other interests
He liked to burn things!
The lady down the block
She had a radio that Johnny wanted, oh, so bad
So he took it the first chance he had
And then he shot her in the leg
But this is what she said
(He's) Only A Lad
You really can't blame him
Only A Lad
Society's made him
Only A Lad
He's our responsibility
Oh, ooh-oh
Only A Lad
He really couldn't help it
Only A Lad
He didn't wanna do it
Only A Lad
He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused
Oh-oh-oh, ooh-oh
Ooh, ooh-oh-ooh
Ooh, ooh-oh-ooh
His parents gave up
They couldn't influence his attitude
Nobody could help
The little man had no gratitude
And when he stole the car
Nobody dreamed that he would try to take it so far
He didn't mean to hit the poor man
Who had to go and die
It made the judge cry
Only A Lad
He really couldn't help it
Only A Lad
He didn't wanna do it
Only A Lad
He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused
Oh-oh-oh, ooh-oh
It's not his fault that he can't behave
Society's made him go astray
Perhaps if we're nice he'll go away
Perhaps he'll go away, he'll go away
Only A Lad
You really can't blame him
Only A Lad
Society made him
Only A Lad
Is he our responsibility?
Hey there Johnny
You really don't fool me
You get away with murder and you think it's funny
You don't give a damn if we live or if we die
Oh-oh-oh, ooh-oh
Hey there Johnny boy
I hope you fry!
Ooh, ooh-oh-ooh
Ooh, ooh-oh-ooh
The lack of accountability for crimes committed leads to more crimes committed. ....and the downward spiral continues. Not sure what its going to take to turn this around. Smarter people than me will have to figure this one out. A good start would be getting rid of the multi-generational welfare system.
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You are right about the media having completely destroyed their credibility. And that is a huge problem in our current time, as no one knows who or what to believe anymore because 75% of it is pure propaganda.
But Walter Cronkite was likely the beginning of the media bias and lying. They just hadn't torched all their credibility yet.
I am going to assume your error in this is due to "what you have been told" over the years by sources that lean a specific way.
The Last Bill JFK Signed — And The Mental Health Work Still Undone
Fifty years after JFK signed a bill free many people with mental illness from institutions, more needs to be done to provide community mental health care.
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On Oct. 31, 1963, President John F. Kennedy signed a bill meant to free many thousands of Americans with mental illnesses from life in institutions. It envisioned building 1,500 outpatient mental health centers to offer them community-based care instead. The bill would be the last piece of legislation Kennedy would ever sign; he was assassinated three weeks later.
JFK was very "in tune" with mental illness, his sister Rose had some mental health issues, and I think that hit him very hard. There is no way a "Kennedy" would go into the "mental health system" at the time, you are so right it was a total mess. JFK's deal was to pump federal money into systems all across the US. It was I think something that came from a good place, but not the right place.
Right before Reagan the "mental health care act" was passed, Then right after Reagan was in office congress, a still democrat controlled congress but not a super majority any longer sent him the deal to repeal the act. He signed it. So yes Regan signed the repeal of the act that was voted on by a democrat controlled congress, the 96th congress.
He felt (again I think a product of his time) that the health care system for mental illness was one hot mess, and that a little like Roe V wade is something that the states should take care of themselves. When the gov of CA he did sign a bill making it harder for your family to stick you in a loonie ben. He was worried about bad families sticking you in there, or bad judges sticking you in there. It took more hoops to toss someone in the hospital.
I will link some of my sources as I did look them up to refresh my memory, I tend to be getting facts messed up as I get older.
Bottom line the existing system was "dismantled" by JFK with the thoughts of federal funding, funding that never came through....because, well congress. The "Republicans" being Reagan did sign a bill put before him by a democrat congress that repealed what Carter had done a year or so before.
Reagan didn’t close institutions
In response to Mr. Robert Kahn’s June 27 letter on homelessness in the Conejo Valley, I would like to correct one glaring error that he made. Mr. Kahn states: “The Reagan administration closed all mental institutions.” I’ve heard this myth stated by some politically motivated individuals before...
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96th United States Congress - Wikipedia
I certainly defer to both your memory and history as recorded (not as I remember it). What I remember is Regan signing the act, news stories about what complete hell holes the state hospitals were, and in short order the State Mental Health Hospital in South St. Louis closed it's doors and turned all the patients loose. My father was a doctor, and still alive at the time, and I remember him talking about how terrible an idea it was (even though he was a staunch Republican), and that there was a reason that the vast majority of the people in those hospitals were sequestered from society.
My brother in law is homeless (somewhere) and has pretty severe schizophrenia. There is nowhere for him to go unless he gets arrested (often). He really needs to be in a mental institution, but the only way that happens now is voluntarily, and since he refuses to even live in a paid for apartment there is nothing we can do. When the family does give him money he buys drugs and gambles it away. Any help we give is enabling. He refuses to help himself..., because he is mentally ill.
For all the failings and mismanagement of the State Mental Hospitals into the 1980s they served a vital service to our society, and that was mainly to identify and contain people with severe mental illness rather than have them running loose and causing trouble. To me this isn't just about the two million people who get arrested yearly and have severe mental illness. It's not that I don't care about them. I do, but there are 328,000,000 people who want to live in peace, and not have to worry about crazy people running around, and I feel like that's all we talk about.
I think it would be better for them and for us if they were remanded to a mental hospital and forced to get the help they don't want. My BIL was kind of weird but functional when he was on his medication. Once off he's totally nonfunctional and lives in an alternate reality. I can imagine him committing terrible crimes thinking he was killing demons and saving people. He's not a bad guy, but he can't tell the difference between his imagination and reality. He should be in a mental hospital, not out here loose with us. Doesn't matter whose fault it is. THAT is the problem, and the mass shootings are just one of many symptoms of allowing crazy people to run amok.
My brother in law is homeless (somewhere) and has pretty severe schizophrenia. There is nowhere for him to go unless he gets arrested (often). He really needs to be in a mental institution, but the only way that happens now is voluntarily, and since he refuses to even live in a paid for apartment there is nothing we can do. When the family does give him money he buys drugs and gambles it away. Any help we give is enabling. He refuses to help himself..., because he is mentally ill.
For all the failings and mismanagement of the State Mental Hospitals into the 1980s they served a vital service to our society, and that was mainly to identify and contain people with severe mental illness rather than have them running loose and causing trouble. To me this isn't just about the two million people who get arrested yearly and have severe mental illness. It's not that I don't care about them. I do, but there are 328,000,000 people who want to live in peace, and not have to worry about crazy people running around, and I feel like that's all we talk about.
I think it would be better for them and for us if they were remanded to a mental hospital and forced to get the help they don't want. My BIL was kind of weird but functional when he was on his medication. Once off he's totally nonfunctional and lives in an alternate reality. I can imagine him committing terrible crimes thinking he was killing demons and saving people. He's not a bad guy, but he can't tell the difference between his imagination and reality. He should be in a mental hospital, not out here loose with us. Doesn't matter whose fault it is. THAT is the problem, and the mass shootings are just one of many symptoms of allowing crazy people to run amok.
This is factually incorrect... It was President JFK and the dems who passed and signed into law the CMHA/Community Mental Health Act of 1963 that specifically deinstitutionalized the mentally ill and put them on our streets in our communities. Repubs/Reagan only changed the funding method to block grants.
The corporate media and academia have been lying about who did what regarding the above- in the same way they lie about fascism being a 'right wing' ideology (Mussolini was a communist and Hitler a socialist- both were fascists according to the media and academia).
Mass shootings are a software problem and need software solutions.
Suggesting we all need to be armed would solve it is stupid. Because then we’d get 10x innocents killed in cross fire and that in itself could be the kind of chaos that would appeal to folks with software issues.
Cops who are supposed to train and pass standards with weapons are barely able to shoot straight. You think your regular shmoe would be aware of backdrop, trigger discipline and comms in a multiperson unknown counterpart firefight.
Negro please!!
Suggesting we all need to be armed would solve it is stupid. Because then we’d get 10x innocents killed in cross fire and that in itself could be the kind of chaos that would appeal to folks with software issues.
Cops who are supposed to train and pass standards with weapons are barely able to shoot straight. You think your regular shmoe would be aware of backdrop, trigger discipline and comms in a multiperson unknown counterpart firefight.
Negro please!!
I say let the media continue to provide expanded 24/7 coverage of the shooter and shit but REQUIRE they also provide expanded and detailed 24/7 coverage as the never named dipshit is drawn and quartered as slowly as a matching quad set of highly trained and beautiful Clydesdale’s can move.
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