Fieldcraft Evading a Sniper

Re: Evading a Sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI
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Re: Evading a Sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: calebintn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have searched & cannot find much of anything on this topic.

Maybe some of you who have lived in the line of fire can give some tips & advice on evading sniper & spotter teams in the rural & urban setting?!? </div></div>

Best advice i can give you is lock yourself in your bedroom.
 
Re: Evading a Sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HighGroundMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I either shove a Romulan cloaking device up my ass.... </div></div>

....too bad the prototype for the "fire while cloaked" Klingon version was destroyed. that had real potential. plus came with beads.
 
Re: Evading a Sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HighGroundMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I either shove a Romulan cloaking device up my ass.... </div></div>

....too bad the prototype for the "fire while cloaked" Klingon version was destroyed. that had real potential. plus came with beads. </div></div>

beads.. priceless.
 
Many of the newer texts used in related classes cover topics like OACOK, dogs,terrain, darkness, and all sorts do other topics that will give you answers to your questions.
Also, study observation techniques, how the human eye's workings relate to observation, hunting, night techniques and so on. Understanding how our eyes work will greatly help both your observation ability, and your ability to evade detection...such things like we see movement first, then shape is the next thing we notice, with color being the last thing the eye notices.

You need to have someone show you how to use this info. Otherwise it is much like reading a book about martial arts and then expecting to be able to perform like a black belt. I am sure you understand what I mean. I am not saying that anyone asking questions here is an armchair ninja, we all need help learning how to practically apply what we see or read, that is why classes are so popular.

You might save a lot of money by doing the book study before a class, and before the class ask the instructor if they can help you with some specific questions. If they are good, the instructor will be honest enough to answer your questions, or refer you elsewhere. I have more confidence in an instructor who admits to not knowing the answer, over an instructor who tries to bullshit his way through my question. I am insulted by instructors who think I an too stupid to realize they are bullshitting me. I have great respect for an instructor who says " I don't know, but will find out for you."
 
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I either shove a Romulan cloaking device up my ass, put a multi cam paper bag over my head, or just climb up a tree. No one looks up a tree anymore. That's where the Jap snipers use to hide.

Did this in SERE school worked pretty well actually, especially after I jumped a couple trees over so the dogs couldn't find which tree... the tricky part was falling asleep!
 
Some other reasons you receive more snarky posts than serious responses are;
1. It takes time and some amount of work to type out a good answer. It is much faster, easier, and requires less thinking to send you a snarky answer.
2. Many of the people with the intelligence and ability to write out rather long explanations to your inquiry are already either instructors and/or authors who justifiably would prefer to be paid for their work, rather than giving away that knowledge for free.
3. Some people don't think that many kinds of knowledge should be given easily to someone who has not bee "vetted". Such as martial arts classes where you have to study for many years before they show you 5 easy ways to break someone's neck.

In any case the answers are out there, but everyone has their reason for keeping the specifics close to their chest. The knowledge will be better retained and understood if you have someone help you find the answers...ie a coach one instructor. Best of luck with your search.
 
Really disappointed in you guys for the advice given. It's so far off it's kind of sad.

The obvious answer, and the ONLY correct answer is to simply purchase a Countersniper optic. It will instantly show you where the sniper trying to shoot you is hiding. And if you see him the same time he sees you, the Tier 1 platinum coated lenses will give you that half a second advantage you need. Simple.

Some people's children.
 
Its simple really... ask the S-Shops where "snipers" have been taking pop shots in your area ... avoid area. Problem solved. By "snipers" I mean poorly trained people who got handed a gun, or in the civilian world bought a gun from cabelas with a scope and think they are "snipers" cause that is the case the majority of the time.
 
Really disappointed in you guys for the advice given. It's so far off it's kind of sad.

The obvious answer, and the ONLY correct answer is to simply purchase a Countersniper optic. It will instantly show you where the sniper trying to shoot you is hiding. And if you see him the same time he sees you, the Tier 1 platinum coated lenses will give you that half a second advantage you need. Simple.

Some people's children.

Every time I hear about the "Counter Sniper" brand I'm reminded of how repulsively ignorant the average American consumer has become.
 
I want to put this thread to rest.

Ok everyone I have the answer to this thread. It's right out of OUTDOOR LIFE THE ULTMATE SURVIVAL MANUAL. Skill#313: Don't stand still if you're in a war zone or getting shot at by some rifle-toting loon in the mall parking lot. Move quickly between vehicles and buildings. Alter your pace and direction, since moving erratically makes you harder to track. Avoid open " fire lanes" where a sniper can get a clear shot from a distance. Cover and concealment are your friends, (Cover is physical protection; concealment is darkness and camouflage.) If caught in the open get low and crawl like a snake, I hope this helps. MrHog:rolleyes:
 
I think this guy is smarter than we are giving him credit for.

He knows how to evade a sniper. You post a thread on Sniper's Hide asking about it, and the sniper you are trying to evade sees it pop up on his phone app and spends time typing his answer; all while OP ran across the field undetected.
 
Our favorite way to check for a sniper on maneuvers (before all the current activities kicked off). Generally took place right after the new butterbar would come up with something totally FUBAR in the field...A crisp salute and a resounding "Snipercheck SIR" would generally signal the Platoon Sargent to come over and hold his hand.
 
There are many things that military or martial arts instructors will not teach students until they have "proven" themselves. I have made those decisions for any number of reasons.

With that being said, I have never resolved the following flaw in my logic: I am the one who chooses NOT to teach/allow some people to have ome of the knowledge I have. I understand why people would be upset with my choice, just as I do not like someone (or the government) decising which firearms, or knowledge I can have. I am guilty of doing the precise thing that I resent having done to me.

It all comes down to a lack of trust..they don't trust me with some things, I don't trust politicians, civilians don't trust LE or the military. No change from 2500 years afo though.
 
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In all seriousness, there are members on this forum that are mil/LE snipers, and disseminating the information you requested would simply be in bad form. They have no idea if you're some guy who's generally curious, or some lunatic that will put evading a sniper/spotter team in rural/urban areas into actual use.

I have the feeling this thread will go about the same as the "how do I evade search dogs" thread.

I recall that thread.

To answer the guy's question, and recall not everyone on here is high speed as hell, that in a nutshell, the average sniper mostly collects data and battlefield information. He takes shots of opportunity (leaders, etc.). He generally likes a concealed position a ways from the action, and he likes to have a panoramic view or birds eye view of the field.

That said, stay out of sight and behind cover. If you were covering large amounts of area, where would you be? And these guys aren't stupid either, they likely have backups watching them, hence watching you. Snipers work because they demoralize the enemy because you never know when its coming. If it was easy to evade them, they wouldn't be so esteemed.

Some folks talk OPSEC. Some cops think they are CIA and everything they do is classified and requires a sarcastic response. Some soldiers do have OPSEC concerns. But for the most of us, that info is available in various FM's and some TM's, so it is hardly OPSEC. Some of the counter measures can actually be found in infantry 7-8 if not mistaken (you have to sort of read between the lines, but you'll get it.).

In all honesty, hunting people isn't much different from hunting animals, only animals are generally harder when technology is removed from the picture.
 
Strykervet had about the best response to the OP's question. Really, good fieldcraft is about all you can do. The sniper is a usually a highly trained, specially-equipped individual. IF a sniper of the US military or most SWAT units caliber is operating in an area, they've already got it dominated, so that in all likelihood, you probably won't be able to totally "evade" him. Using cover as much as possible, good camo (don't give him anything larger than 1" to aim at), basically what is written in FM's that are available all over the place. One thing, READING about how to move through the woods, or an urban environment, and actually DOING so, are very different.
 
I recall that thread.

To answer the guy's question, and recall not everyone on here is high speed as hell, that in a nutshell, the average sniper mostly collects data and battlefield information. He takes shots of opportunity (leaders, etc.). He generally likes a concealed position a ways from the action, and he likes to have a panoramic view or birds eye view of the field.

That said, stay out of sight and behind cover. If you were covering large amounts of area, where would you be? And these guys aren't stupid either, they likely have backups watching them, hence watching you. Snipers work because they demoralize the enemy because you never know when its coming. If it was easy to evade them, they wouldn't be so esteemed.

Some folks talk OPSEC. Some cops think they are CIA and everything they do is classified and requires a sarcastic response. Some soldiers do have OPSEC concerns. But for the most of us, that info is available in various FM's and some TM's, so it is hardly OPSEC. Some of the counter measures can actually be found in infantry 7-8 if not mistaken (you have to sort of read between the lines, but you'll get it.).

In all honesty, hunting people isn't much different from hunting animals, only animals are generally harder when technology is removed from the picture.

Calebintn,


Theres some good points in strykervet's Post and I dont know about in the US but most Trained Personal have at some point May have had to sign the official secrets Act and that requires said person's not to reveal such info and I know I had to and this maybe the reason why you have been gettin so many smart ass answers and there is a few reasons why and although its not feeding your quest for knowledge they are, 1) they dont know and 2) they dont want to say, 3) These special guys have a code that they live by and that involves many personal issues to that individual,

The reason you have not had the correct answer by those who know is because of their loyalty to their craft,

If you are still interested in your Thread that you started and you want a Link to the books thats easy I got one, but they will only give you the info but they will not show you how and as for others saying about IR devises theres aways round those too and I found another one just a while back,

Oh yes and wild animals will teach you the basics

John
 
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So how do you evade a search dog?

For a start you can use fine Pepper and mess up their sence of smell that will hold them for a while, 2) just keep zig zagging and going round in circles So their handlers loose faith in the dogs and give up, use natural things to disguise you and your own natural odour, cow crap etc,

hope this helps

john
 
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I dont know about in the US but most Trained Personal have at some point May have had to sign the official secrets Act and that requires said person's not to reveal such info and I know I had to and this maybe the reason why you have been gettin so many smart ass answers and there is a few reasons why...Oh yes and wild animals will teach you the basics
Most trayned Personelle Signed The act you Had to did you?

Everything I know I learned from wild horses:
The Rolling Stones - Wild Horses - Live On Copacabana Beach - YouTube

...Well, that and "cow crap".
 
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Quote:- Most trained Personelle Signed The act you Had to did you?

Yes !!! And limit runs out in october 2015, not that anything I did was that high Tone, But it was the requirement

john
 
Quote:- Most trained Personelle Signed The act you Had to did you?

Yes !!! And limit runs out in october 2015, not that anything I did was that high Tone, But it was the requirement

john
The Act is not what you signed. And you may want to have another look at the statute of limitations.

I always have a dog with me that is in heat...
That's called the hot dog method. It's a violation of OPSEC to post about that.
 
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I have to agree that posting the most effective ways to avoid my eyes seems like sacralige; that said if you emmerse yourself in tactical LR shooting and field craft, countersniper techniques will simply be common sense. I won't summarize evasion techniques but consider your human senses and reduce your signiture. If you find yourself in a sniper hot spot outside the US, limit your exposure. In other words bunker it up. I know you asked a serious question so I hope my answer was helpful to some degree.
 
The Act is not what you signed. And you may want to have another look at the statute of limitations
well thats what they told me it was and they said I was bound by it till I was 55,

I did'nt feel good about it at the time purely because it was all new to me and I tought at the time maybe I was doing the wrong thing and was'nt sure of who to trust and my wife always hated the fact because I would not tell her $%&£ about it and always said I was keeping secrets rar rar rar, ( same shit differant Day)

John
 
We had it all wrong, I got the evasion trick all figured out.

I was out practicing shooting bowling balls with my 45, then it hit me. All you have to do is get a ghili that looks like a piece of 45 ACP brass, no one will find you.
 
Oh Dear, While I have been sitting here Tom Beringer in Sniper 2 on the TV just started and I feel like he just slahed my Tyres I just notice the Low Budget Mistake in it,

John
 
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I have to agree that posting the most effective ways to avoid my eyes seems like sacralige; that said if you emmerse yourself in tactical LR shooting and field craft, countersniper techniques will simply be common sense. I won't summarize evasion techniques but consider your human senses and reduce your signiture. If you find yourself in a sniper hot spot outside the US, limit your exposure. In other words bunker it up. I know you asked a serious question so I hope my answer was helpful to some degree.

Seems like no one is happy about answering this question in an exact manor, And I'm not happy about talking about some things in depth, which might be why most folks here joke about it.

John
 
Your first mistake was coming to a forum where about 98% of the people on it are fat white guys who aren't "snipers" nor have they ever been or every will be, but they bought a rifle and put a scope on it and now most believe they are "snipers". My advice is to not take any of these dudes advice on anything related to long range shooting or sniping, unless you can confirm they have the experience to even answer your questions in the first place.
 
Your first mistake was coming to a forum where about 98% of the people on it are fat white guys who aren't "snipers" nor have they ever been or every will be, but they bought a rifle and put a scope on it and now most believe they are "snipers". My advice is to not take any of these dudes advice on anything related to long range shooting or sniping, unless you can confirm they have the experience to even answer your questions in the first place.

First off I was going to right something funny and then I realized theres a social issue going down here So I changed my mind And will answer some things,

If you type in Steve's Pages you will find every USMC, Army and Air Force Manual written covering this subject, If you cant find them I will email them to you, Also there are Many S.A.S Manuals out there teaching such things.

2) You can use Animals to perfect the art of movement without being seen and once you can get within a few feet of them then you can move on to the next task.

The art of sniping is more about observation PLUS Extreme Marksman skills and you can learn these from people like front sight which is where Mark Walberg went to Train for his part in the movie Shooter and they said within a week he was ringing steel at a 1000yds,

Also never use night vision optics with an IR fitted because they can use that to track/plot your position by seeing where the beam is shining and looking back to the brightist light path and then focusing on that area and your screwed, also forget illuminated scopes because if a sniper/spotter is glassing an area and he looks into your scope then your ****ed again, Illuminated scopes are Ok for LE use but no good in the field and thats another lot of Batteries to carry and another thing to go wrong, and I know there are better scopes out there but theres a reason the Military use the Leupold Mk4s and thats they are reliable and no batteries
I have done tests with certain brands of materials that can not be seen by IR sensors which allow movement to go undetected

Most important NEVER use a Laser Range finder at night as it also puts out a beam of light that can give your position away and also the Military have detection devise's that can pick them up and they are computer controlled and mounted on vehicles and some hand held models and you will be Toast, So never LRF Military Vehicles.

Try to always move at night and turn your Ears Up to Max and shut ya trap, Deer can be a good trainer and birds will give you away some squalk out and some just go quiet and if theres no birds churping then theres something wrong,
 
You don't evade a sniper, you go after him. If you are very skilled and lucky you wont have to worry about said sniper, just his friends and the UAV's backing him up. Now you gotta ask yourself how do you counter the UAV's?

Well I have avoided that answer throughout this whole thread and I was hopeing no one would come out with it,
Out of respect for people I refer to as friends and family I am Not Surgesting anything to put anyones life in danger but thats kind of ****ed that Idea, and most here have done pretty much that same dancing around as I have although I have explained some field craft issues regarding self preservation, Whoops you gone Dun it know.

Not Impressed, John
 
I can think of 3 good reasons to know how to avoid "snipers"...

1) Charles Whitman
2) John Allen Muhammad
3) William Spengler

Maybe active shooter with a long range weapon(s) would be a better way to phrase it but "sniper" seems more succinct.

The "you don't need to know" answers sound a lot like those who want to tell us that there's no need for civilians to own "high capacity clips" or scary looking black rifles....just sayin'