Fieldcraft Evading a Sniper

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Evading a Sniper

RHunter said:
Good one from the one who says much but contributes so very little....
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Flagging bogus information is indeed a contribution. I just wish that less of it here had your name attached to it. Speaking of which: What you posted could mean so much more if it came from someone who could recognize a contribution if he accidentally made one.
 
#206
Evading a Sniper

His thread a few days ago about loading for 30-06, starting with a diatribe about how people shouldn't listen to other people for load development or follow reloading manuals because every gun is unique. It was on life support when conceived and dead on arrival: Deleted for its high garbage factor. I think it's still gone; I'm sure that a mod will correct me if I'm wrong.
 
#207
Like this thread and many others I find there are many wise people here well worth listerning too, weather it be Loads or snipeing and I would rather trust folks here because although each Rifle is differant the people here will give you tried and tested methods and results,

It would be a lonely place if I knew it all.

john
 
#208
about how people shouldn't listen to other people for load development or follow reloading manuals because every gun is unique
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Half right. I never mentioned ignoring a reloading manual.

So you have never seen load development info here that was completely wrong?

The point of my thread was to hep the basic reloading individual take it to the next step to get to the point of precision load development and in a best practices method that if practiced would be the safest way to develop a load. Everybody preaches you should not use my data and do your own workup because every gun is different... So I make a post to show you the most effective zero short-cut way and how to discover the one round that is truly exceptional and the peanut galley has to jump in and screw up the thread just like this thread has become a collection of crap...

So I deleted it. I have learned in my short time here why you are the way you are and why you post so much crap... because it simply is not worth trying to contribute something constructive...

Because if Graham does not agree Graham will have some smart-assed remark and all the others just like you. It is your constant dribble and half-assed attempts at being funny that hurts what otherwise is a fantastic forum.

You do have some good contributions Graham, but you also contribute a lot of useless shit that is very condescending to everyone you do not personally agree with. Your arrogance radiates and it simply is not helpful. If you are looking for another Chester, you will not find one here.
 
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RHunter said:
Half right. I never mentioned ignoring a reloading manual.

So you have never seen load development info here that was completely wrong?

The point of my thread was to hep the basic reloading individual take it to the next step to get to the point of precision load development and in a best practices method that if practiced would be the safest way to develop a load. Everybody preaches you should not use my data and do your own workup because every gun is different... So I make a post to show you the most effective zero short-cut way and how to discover the one round that is truly exceptional and the peanut galley has to jump in and screw up the thread just like this thread has become a collection of crap...

So I deleted it. I have learned in my short time here why you are the way you are and why you post so much crap... because it simply is not worth trying to contribute something constructive...

Because if Graham does not agree Graham will have some smart-assed remark and all the others just like you. It is your constant dribble and half-assed attempts at being funny that hurts what otherwise is a fantastic forum.

You do have some good contributions Graham, but you also contribute a lot of useless shit that is very condescending to everyone you do not personally agree with. Your arrogance radiates and it simply is not helpful. If you are looking for another Chester, you will not find one here.
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I understand whats on your mind here, and although this thread has gone in many directions and yes there has been some funny comments But maybe you might want to discuss this with Graham via the PM system as we have wondered off track for a while now.

john
 
#212
to the OP, I think you should watch the numerous Syrian/Iraqi sniper videos on youtube etc and look at the mistakes the quarry has made or what the people have taken to avoid getting hit.

Pretty much if sniper can't see you, he can't shoot you, or just run really fast when moving over open ground.

Or you could just take leave for a while and go there and learn first hand :)
 
#217
Graham said:
But when at the keyboard of my computer, hooked-up to a satellite link, by myself in a busy third-world market town, well, that's when I begin to get scared.
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I am scared shitless when I have to use a BGAN or any other satellite technology in a conflict zone. That's the main thing I do that makes me a target. Usually I set it up in a car, then go down the street for an hour so I'm not near the source of the radiation.

I put a lot of time and thought into what it takes to NOT be in the crosshairs. Sometimes it just comes down to luck, there's nothing to do but run across that street. Cover and Concealment, cover and concealment. I've been lucky that the guys shooting at me have been bad shots on more than one occasion.

Here's two of my friends 'evading' a sniper this summer. The worst part is that I went last! I've known a few people that weren't that lucky. Oliver Voisin was shot on camera a few weeks before very close to where this photo was taken.
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#219
Nishgriff said:
I am scared shitless when I have to use a BGAN or any other satellite technology in a conflict zone. That's the main thing I do that makes me a target. Usually I set it up in a car, then go down the street for an hour so I'm not near the source of the radiation.

I put a lot of time and thought into what it takes to NOT be in the crosshairs. Sometimes it just comes down to luck, there's nothing to do but run across that street. Cover and Concealment, cover and concealment. I've been lucky that the guys shooting at me have been bad shots on more than one occasion.

Here's two of my friends 'evading' a sniper this summer. The worst part is that I went last! I've known a few people that weren't that lucky. Oliver Voisin was shot on camera a few weeks before very close to where this photo was taken.
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Stay safe friend; btw, your co-workers have the right attitude ;)
 
#220
#224
RHunter said:
Here is a dumb one, or a lucky one, how ever you see it..

LiveLeak.com - Sniper almost sniped
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Sniper or no sniper what dumbass idiot in their right mind throws up that much dust sending out multiple rounds in one spot in a war zone? I know its mostly contained inside the building but still he, as was shown, made himself a nice target. I have no idea what it takes to make it to and graduate sniper school but still common sense would dictate in this situation. I'd say he's stupid for resting the rifle on its barrel but I have my doubts that he has much more than a very rudimentary knowledge of shooting.
 
#227
Not sure what kind of Sniper your talking about, but the best way not to get shot is don't have a weapon or explosive in your hand. Most military's have rules of engagement and many snipers know that if they break these rules they could be brought up on charges. Wear civilian clothes and have no weapons and the sniper will probably look for a more threatening target. Snipers are often used as over-watch to protect troops as they go about their business. If your not a threat to those troops then you will probable evade the snipers.
 
#228
Evading a Sniper

Shoottothrill said:
Not sure what kind of Sniper your talking about, but the best way not to get shot is don't have a weapon or explosive in your hand. Most military's have rules of engagement and many snipers know that if they break these rules they could be brought up on charges. Wear civilian clothes and have no weapons and the sniper will probably look for a more threatening target. Snipers are often used as over-watch to protect troops as they go about their business. If your not a threat to those troops then you will probable evade the snipers.
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You completely made that up, didn't you.

Here's a reference for you: syriadeeply.org
 
#230
Evading a Sniper

Common sense?

Common sense rarely survives training, so it's almost never present to be lost in the travails of a real conflict.

To paraphrase Napoleon, any rational soldier would run in the opposite direction.

Common sense has nothing to do with it.
 
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#234
Part of my job as a LE Bomb Tec. was maintaince on our RMI (Remote Mobile Investigator or Robot). We did a lot of training on recuing down officers and such. It was also great for chasing records clerks around the station.

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#236
fairdebtlawyer said:
Instead of avoiding a sniper, how about just bribing him with food.
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That'a not a bad idea.

However, the days of stalking a VC General for a week in the hot sun are over.

In my OPs, with or without snipers, we always had shrimp rings with cocktail sauce, canapés and prosciutto. You can imagine the look you get from a relief team when you ask them whether they brought the right kind of Brie.
 
#237
kraigWY said:
Part of my job as a LE Bomb Tec. was maintaince on our RMI (Remote Mobile Investigator or Robot). We did a lot of training on recuing down officers and such. It was also great for chasing records clerks around the station.

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Did you at least remove the shotgun before chasing the clerks around?
 
#239
Evading a Sniper

mallrat said:
Don't look important, and don't look like a threat. Blend into what the sniper thinks is supposed to be there, another definition of camouflage.
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That must have been my problem: I looked too important. Not simply important, or even self-important, but too important.

Well, that, and my Romulan cloaking device must have failed unexpectedly.

Oh, the secrets one can learn in the company of true experts.....
 
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#240
Is really pretty simple...you just have to beat him at his own game.

Concealment, strategy, and marksmanship...and a little bit of luck if you've never had any training.

I don't see why this info would be bad form here...there are several books written by snipers that one could get this info from...its not rocket science.

As to why one would want to know....well, not all snipers are "on the home team" so to speak.

Same for the dogs...but they're, in general, harder to evade...a good dog can follow a 2 day old trail, if that trail is laid on the right terrain, in the right conditions.

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#241
Graham said:
That must have been my problem: I looked too important. Not simply important, or even self-important, but too important.

Well, that, and my Romulan cloaking device must have failed unexpectedly.

Oh, the secrets one can learn in the company of true experts.....
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I've never been a sniper but I tend to agree with this instead of "don't look important and you'll be fine." You're still the enemy and you still deserve a bullet. If there are no officers around, an E-3 will do for today. Still counts as a kill.

I remember Sam Watkins in "Co. Aytch" saying he would far rather shoot a private than an officer, since most Civil War officers were knuckleheads but any private could hit you with a big Minie ball, so get them first.

Kamikazes were supposed to dive onto high-value ships, especially carriers. Realistically, they knew they couldn't count on finding, much less breaking through, a whole carrier task force, so they just plowed into the first thing they saw, which would be a hapless escort vessel. Off Okinawa it got so bad that I heard of destroyer sailors painting a big white arrow on deck and writing under it "Carriers That Way!"
 
#242
mallrat said:
Aside from "Get training", probably the best advice here. Don't look important, and don't look like a threat. Blend into what the sniper thinks is supposed to be there, another definition of camouflage.
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Yeah, but what if you run into a sniper that's not very well trained and hasn't heard of the "only shoot important targets" rule? He'll just shoot anything he can hit. Professionals are predictable, but battlefields are full of dangerous amateurs.

Ancient rule: Base your plans not on what you THINK the enemy will do, but on what he CAN do.
 
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fairdebtlawyer said:
Yeah, but what if you run into a sniper that's not very well trained and hasn't heard of the "only shoot important targets" rule? He'll just shoot anything he can hit. Professionals are predictable, but battlefields are full of dangerous amateurs.

Ancient rule: Base your plans not on what you THINK the enemy will do, but on what he CAN do.
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Its not an amateur thing. War has changed in several aspects. That line of thinking is great for WW2, but when you are 8 stories up, and can see a multi man element moving across rooftops towards the guys you are supposed to be overwatching, you don't just blow them off because they are "unimportant", you blow them away because your buddies on the ground are important.
 
#245
Delta4-3 said:
Its not an amateur thing. War has changed in several aspects. That line of thinking is great for WW2, but when you are 8 stories up, and can see a multi man element moving across rooftops towards the guys you are supposed to be overwatching, you don't just blow them off because they are "unimportant", you blow them away because your buddies on the ground are important.
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I'd say a multi man element moving across rooftops looks like a threat, like something the sniper thinks isn't supposed to be there.

The entire discussion needs to be prefaced with the question "what are you trying to accomplish?" Perform your duties as a soldier, go about life as a civilian, overthrow a tyrannical regime, etc. Each will require different techniques following different rules to get the job done.
 
#246
mallrat said:
I'd say a multi man element moving across rooftops looks like a threat, like something the sniper thinks isn't supposed to be there.

The entire discussion needs to be prefaced with the question "what are you trying to accomplish?" Perform your duties as a soldier, go about life as a civilian, overthrow a tyrannical regime, etc. Each will require different techniques following different rules to get the job done.
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Im not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me, but either way, you are correct. Each of the scenario's you mentioned requires different TTP's.
 
#248
Delta4-3 said:
Its not an amateur thing. War has changed in several aspects. That line of thinking is great for WW2, but when you are 8 stories up, and can see a multi man element moving across rooftops towards the guys you are supposed to be overwatching, you don't just blow them off because they are "unimportant", you blow them away because your buddies on the ground are important.
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Right. Although my comment was not intended to be taken all that seriously.
 
#249
Ol' RD said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Become a Tanker. Keep hatches closed. Worked for us. </div></div>

SCREW THAT! Join the Navy, become a FC. Most of your 6yr enlistment 4 yrs 4 months 22 days in fact will be AT sea AND you'll eat a heck of allot better. Damn ground pounders, Always given out bad advise. LOL!
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LMAO no kidding. But he would be better off as an engineering rate as they never see the light of day. You topsiders still go outside at times where we were always below the waterline. Even the best sniper can't shoot builge snipe.
 
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