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#152
5RWill said:
Gotcha, i forgot you were an M.D. that just came back to me as we discussed it in a previous thread. Wasn't trying to "educate" you so to speak just elaborate that I didn't mean to lump ADD/ADHD meds into the same category.
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No problem man sorry I seemed short. Pulled in several directions today. I wish I had more time to weigh in on this more but I fear it would mostly fall on deaf ears. That said, your information is good (as is Mcameron's experience and firsthand insight) and needs to be read by those here for understanding that this situation is much more complex than simply "SSRI = crazy nut job killer"
 
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FS1 said:
Problem with Q is they talk in Nostradamus like speak. It can be widely interpreted. Also they have a few things they have seem to gotten right. But much more they have gotten wrong.

Such as; Said the Military would be deployed while POTUS was at Davos (did not happen). They said this week POTUS would activate national Emergency alert system multiple times (as of yet did not happen). They use vague inferences that they can apply to almost any occasion. I would love them to be right, but my brain says whoa doggie lets stick to clear facts.

Q could be a dis-info Campaign or just complete BS. Or maybe both or neither. That's the problem its vapor that can't be cornered.
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Yes I wonder if Q is disinfo aimed at the likes of us.

Time and time again we have had our hopes bouyed that "Now, now there will be justice!" and all we get is crickets.

Now many are posting their hopes on Q.

Great we are in on the secret. We have someone telling us all is going great. Its going to be fixed, our military and Patriots are on top of it. What we all hoped would happen is happening.

And when the unfurl the red banner with 50 stars and a Sickle and hammer those that put all their hope into Q are going to eat their gun.

Better to just consider yourself fucked right now so that when it becomes reality you will have nothing to lose.

Note - Im much more optimistic than that - Go Q!, Go!
 
#154
The repost of the Noveske list goes hand in hand with an article I read a few years back from a female Psychologist (or Psychiatrist) about the exact same issue.

She wrote that she was able to research and find that every major shooting event since Columbine, up to the point her paper was written, involved a shooter that had either just been put on or had just been taken off some kind of mood/emotion altering drug (i.e. Ritalin, Prozac, etc.). She listed the actual drugs in her paper and I apologize if the ones I mentioned are not correct (I don't know much/anything about prescription drugs). The only case she couldn't research definitively was the VA Tech shooter because the judge in the case sealed the shooter's medical records.

She went on to describe the delicate nature of the chemicals in the human brain and how important that a proper balance of those chemicals be obtained. She said that introducing or removing any kind of emotion/behavior altering drug was a HUGE deal and that people under those conditions should be monitored VERY closely. She wasn't pro-gun or anti-gun or even pro or anti prescription drugs. She was simply stating that the chemicals in the brain were not something to mess with lightly. She was also very keen to point out that everyone handles these drugs and the effects of the drugs differently.....similar to the fact that something like Nyquil really messes some people up, while it barely affects others. Every person is a little differerent, but we all more or less fall into one category or the other. She was quick to defend the use of the drugs in certain situations, but that she felt they were over-prescribed because most doctors, and sadly parents, want a quick fix to an underlying situation, "Just give 'em the meds and they will stop whatever they are doing wrong."

I wish I could find that paper online again and link to it because it was so interesting and I think it is vastly under-reported on.

I grew up in the "Ritalin time" of early 90s. Ritalin was passed out like candy. I had friends and cousins on it. Every child who didn't sit still and stay quiet was ADD. I'd be willing to bet the VAST majority of the kids that were put on Ritalin simply needed some structure, discipline and reinforcement from the parents.....let's also not forget that "kids will be kids". I certainly had issues staying focused and on task for long periods of time when I was young. The problem was: the parents were too busy or too ill-prepared for children, especially a child with some type of behavioral issue. I'm not saying Ritalin is the boogeyman, just trying to relay that things are likely "over-prescribed".....almost like a "let's give this a shot and see if it works".
 
#155
anyone who has any dealings with DCF is going to tell you that they are no good, rotten, self serving, non protecting cock suckers with no, NO, concern for us...
they have, for a long time left us out to dry in a dangerous environment...
DCF is done, they are bad, they are full of low wage contracted stupid fucks that deserve to be in prison for their shared responsiblity in many, many, many,many deaths and horrible things that have happened to children and familys...
fuck them, fuck the government of florida for letting this to continue to happen...

any of you mother fuckers from state want to come see me, have at it, but you better be lawyered up, as i am...
you suck and you need to be revamped, you are criminals...
 
#156
Jethro3898 said:
The repost of the Noveske list goes hand in hand with an article I read a few years back from a female Psychologist (or Psychiatrist) about the exact same issue.

She wrote that she was able to research and find that every major shooting event since Columbine, up to the point her paper was written, involved a shooter that had either just been put on or had just been taken off some kind of mood/emotion altering drug (i.e. Ritalin, Prozac, etc.). She listed the actual drugs in her paper and I apologize if the ones I mentioned are not correct (I don't know much/anything about prescription drugs). The only case she couldn't research definitively was the VA Tech shooter because the judge in the case sealed the shooter's medical records.

She went on to describe the delicate nature of the chemicals in the human brain and how important that a proper balance of those chemicals be obtained. She said that introducing or removing any kind of emotion/behavior altering drug was a HUGE deal and that people under those conditions should be monitored VERY closely. She wasn't pro-gun or anti-gun or even pro or anti prescription drugs. She was simply stating that the chemicals in the brain were not something to mess with lightly. She was also very keen to point out that everyone handles these drugs and the effects of the drugs differently.....similar to the fact that something like Nyquil really messes some people up, while it barely affects others. Every person is a little differerent, but we all more or less fall into one category or the other. She was quick to defend the use of the drugs in certain situations, but that she felt they were over-prescribed because most doctors, and sadly parents, want a quick fix to an underlying situation, "Just give 'em the meds and they will stop whatever they are doing wrong."

I wish I could find that paper online again and link to it because it was so interesting and I think it is vastly under-reported on.

I grew up in the "Ritalin time" of early 90s. Ritalin was passed out like candy. I had friends and cousins on it. Every child who didn't sit still and stay quiet was ADD. I'd be willing to bet the VAST majority of the kids that were put on Ritalin simply needed some structure, discipline and reinforcement from the parents.....let's also not forget that "kids will be kids". I certainly had issues staying focused and on task for long periods of time when I was young. The problem was: the parents were too busy or too ill-prepared for children, especially a child with some type of behavioral issue.
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Prescription of or discontinuation of any medication is never something to take lightly.

Agree that pills are often thrown at kids that really just require more structure and discipline. I'm fortunate to have free counseling in my clinic as it gives me much more discretion in my prescribing practices vs just handing out a pill. That said, some require medication and it's always a risk vs benefit equation that is closely weighed.
 
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2ndamendfan said:
@QuickNDirty @mcameron
Both of you have good lists. And that is THE problem everyone wants a silver bullet or blue pill. There are multiple issues that add up to this.

As for SRO's around here most elementary schools have one that rotates through 5 schools a week. My wife's school has an SRO on Wednesday only. Her's is a city officer who personally seems like a dick head. Does not seem to "enjoy" the duty of protecting the kids

Jr high and high school have an officer assigned all day everyday for the whole year. They are county sheriff's and are really good. When my daughter was in Jr high they had a fundraiser. One where the principal will kiss a pig if they raise xxxx$$. Well the SRO opened his big mouth and said if they raised xxxxxxxxx he would shave his beard off. He said his wife of 12 years had never seen him without a beard. Well when it came down to the last day my daughter said they were about $100 short. I handed her $125, and said have fun.

This accomplished a lot. Got the LEO to think next time. Let my daughter know i would support her. My daughter being introverted some got her to "be cool" for awhile to her fellow class mates. Plus a few little extras.

A couple days later the school had an assembly. I took the day off, 8 other sheriff's showed up to harass his ass. My daughter got to shave some of his beard off with an electric razor (a professional finished with a straight razor).

Anyway the sherrifs interact with the kids and get to know them. When my daughter was in high school a 16 year old brought a gun to school with intent. Someone got wind and went straight to the sherrif. He confronted the student and had the situation under control in minutes. The school is kind of rural but with in 10ish minutes about 50 LEO from 7 or 8 agencies were there.

@TacticalDillhole @TonyTheTiger. My mother was a teacher for 35 years. My wife is in her 14th year. My daughter was 7th in her class of over 650. I have some knowlegde as to the public school system as it pertains to Utah at least. But i believe it fits in general. Homeschooling is not without its negatives. With that. The public school system is what you want it to be. You get out of it what you put it. My wife has 30 students do you really think that they all get the attention they deserve? My wife deals with it all day everyday, parents who feel it is her job to do all the education. Personally homeschooling + public school is the best of both. Which is what parents are supposed to do. It is hard coming home from work beat down and then having to help with home work for 4 hours.

My wife has a friend who has homeschooled all 4 of her kids. They are all fucking idiots, because her and her husband are idiots also. Home schooling is the same, you get out what you put in. I am not knocking anyone for homeschooling. If done correctly it takes a huge commitment. I am just saying public is not as evil as some might think.

You need to have an amazing relationship with your child. Personally treat them like people. I have always treated my daughter as a person and since about 7 as an adult. We talk about adult things that most seem to shy away from. Money, drugs, people trying to influence you. Sex came later of course, but I dont shy away from ANY subject.

Explain, dont berate. The liberal ideals didn't show up from teachers until high school and only from a couple. I told my daughter how I felt and why. She either ignored in most cases or spoke up a couple times.

College is where the true liberals teach and my daughter has had to tell a couple to STFU. I tell her how proud of her I am. One she was pretty worried the professor would retaliate with a grade or two drop. She kept and I on it and was ready to go to the Dean about it but those worries were unfounded.

@quietmike are you sure teachers cant not carry in your state? In Utah (also Ohio i believe) anyone with a CCW permit can carry in ANY public school. There are 10 or so other states that ONLY teachers can carry not general public with CCW.
I meet people all the time who dont know I can carry in a public school. I carry 99% of the time but I never ever go in a school, church or movie theater without a firearm (movie i also carry a 800lumen flash light).
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My wife is a teacher so at least there is that. My 13 year old is taking college level math and has an IQ in the 130’s. Part of the reason we homeschool is that regular school is boring for her. When she hits high school, she will be in private school. My 8 year old isn’t far behind. Not as good at math but reads far beyond her years. She hated watching all the other kids eat paste at school so we pulled her as well. Homeschool was never our plan, it just happened.
 
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TacticalDillhole said:
My wife is a teacher so at least there is that. My 13 year old is taking college level math and has an IQ in the 130’s. Part of the reason we homeschool is that regular school is boring for her. When she hits high school, she will be in private school. My 8 year old isn’t far behind. Not as good at math but reads far beyond her years. She hated watching all the other kids eat paste at school so we pulled her as well. Homeschool was never our plan, it just happened.
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I wasn't trying to disparage anyone. My wife's biggest regret on a daily basis is that the advanced kids are ignored to try and bring the lower kids up. I know my daughter was bored at times.
I just think that many think home schooling is the end all answer and personally if you suck as a parent then home schooling will not fix anything. My wife has a child now that is super low, parents do not want to help they want to lay all the blame on the school. Next year they are going to take him to a charter school (that is a whole 'nother cluster fuck subject). Charter schools have a shit ton of requirements for the parents and 8/10 the student comes back in a month or so. (funding stays with charter school though, see fucked up like I said)
 
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A good summary. Seratonin is a key chemical in regulating happiness and feelings of well being. For example, tryptophan stimulates seratonin generation.

SSRIs supposedly (this isn’t well understood) work by reducing your brains ability to take in seratonin. Then your brain makes more seratonin to try to overpower the drug - and finally your brain achieves tolerance of the SSRI and it loses its uptake prevention effectiveness while your brain is still tryin gto defend itself from the medication.

Net result? Seratonin levels grow. Alleviation of depression and anxiety. In 40% of patients. In the other 60% you get either nothing, or some immensely strange side effect. The last number I saw was 8% adverse outcomes.

The immensely strange side effects can result in the inability to tell yourself no anymore when faced with thoughts of self harm or harm of others, in addition to other negative outcomes such as massive over or undereating and undesirable sexual behaviors.

Until your brain builds tolerance for the SSRI many people report strongly negative experiences - this is mirrored during discontinuation.

I put more credence in the naysayers after dealing with the situation where a combination of SSRIs and anti smoking medications resulted in uncontrollable and persistent suicidal thoughts and behaviors in a family member who did successfully kill her self.

5RWill said:
I trailed off back to ADHD meds my mistake and didn't follow up on the SSRI or SSNRI. I worked in pharmacy for two years didn't mean to make it sound like they're one in the same as they're extremely different. My point was as i said that the act was a choice alone and that's what i was really getting at. There's an inherent trend between SSRI/SSNRIs and suicide because they're used to combat depression/anxiety almost exclusively. Which is why i mentioned that maybe the fault lies with physicians over prescribing. The negative feedback loop King is referring to is essentially a regulatory mechanism called negative feedback inhibition. Less i misunderstood what he was getting at. The body stops making the hormone, neurotransmitter, molecule, etc. once it feels there is enough. SSRI/SSNRI effectively block the reuptake of the neurotransmitter to cause release of more serotonin or in the case of SSNRI norepinephrine as well, using these chemicals/neurotransmitters to alter the mood of said person. As king noted or someone, that usually all is well but there is a minority or subset of individuals in which the side effects of the drug aren't at all healthy. I agree that thoughts are pre-existing we all have them, i don't deny that. I guess i should've been more clear in what i was trying to say. Which was as i already stated the overarching change in mood is just that, acting on it to kill people rather than seek help, knowing something is wrong is a choice. I believe that lies deeper in the individual than just a drug induced mood swing. Though maybe i'm wrong and that's just my personal opinion because i can't see it, that it would alter someone to such an effect they would do something so evil.
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2ndamendfan said:
I wasn't trying to disparage anyone. My wife's biggest regret on a daily basis is that the advanced kids are ignored to try and bring the lower kids up. I know my daughter was bored at times.
I just think that many think home schooling is the end all answer and personally if you suck as a parent then home schooling will not fix anything. My wife has a child now that is super low, parents do not want to help they want to lay all the blame on the school. Next year they are going to take him to a charter school (that is a whole 'nother cluster fuck subject). Charter schools have a shit ton of requirements for the parents and 8/10 the student comes back in a month or so. (funding stays with charter school though, see fucked up like I said)
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Yes absolutely. It is not the end all be all, you have to be engaged with your kids and capable of conveying basic ideas and thoughts. It’s definitely not something everyone should do.
 
#166
Having recently watched that old Chuck Norris movie "Invasion USA" about communists trying to rip the country apart by staging things, it's a bit interesting how things just "happen".

What however our entire community needs to pounding the streets with and saying as much as we can, is the truth that it is the Meds that are doing it. It is those anti-depressants and other mood drugs that are turning people (especially young people) into suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

I was talking with this one really hard liberal guy at work yesterday who is a dyed in the wool Trump Hating Hillary supporter, about the shooting and I mentioned the Meds and surprisingly he totally agreed, he said that once he was on Prozac for a short time, and went near out of his mind. Got so crazy his wife called the cops. Pretty much ruined his marriage with all the things he said & did while on it, and in addition felt physically panicked and unable to breath or think right. Then about 30 days after going off it, all started to get back to normal. This was an adult. Teens are affected way worse.

BAN the meds and the trouble will go away.
 
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sandwarrior said:
I know this is late:

Edit: I'm pissed, I can't get the link to show. Anyhow, the description say's what I saw. A guy behind the drama, just checking his phone like nothin's goin on.

This the Miami Herald, which was forwarded(?) by the Washington Post. Scroll down and notice the two women hugging and crying...they guy behind them is casually checking his phone... wtf? On to the next reenactment? the charcoal cross on the one's head is denoting she's a victim? or been checked and cleared as "not a/the shooter?"
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It was Ash Wednesday...
 
#169
Behavior matters. It matters always. It matters when no one is looking, perhaps most of all.

Scanning the news stories there are plenty of anecdotes about the shooters disturbing behavior over a period of years. Much of it being bad behavior (various acts of violence and intimidation) noted at the time of occurrence. It appears this bad behavior went entirely unchecked. And right now, when he has displayed the most abominable and ghastly behavior it, still, goes unchecked.

I have searched the pages of at least a dozen major news outlets for some hint of just an honest examination of behavior. Only one, in an LA Times OpEd, did someone take note that punishment for bad behavior may have the impact of lessening future occurrences of the same bad behavior. Then they immediately diminished it by noting that the act of punishment may trample the rights of the bad actor.

Even the act of pointing a gun at these students and pulling the trigger is not examined. The shooter is a quasi-victim of "the gun lobby", or so I read in the New Yorker. I cannot help but a continual return to the thought the MMM has little to no concern about the behavior.

The wildly popular triggered-snowflake modus operandi is barely distinguishable from a laboratory amobea hooked up to electrodes. Both just twitch reflexively in response to uncomfortable stimuli. There is no coping mechanism, much less problem solving skills. At every point in the snow-amobeas life our culture excuses bad behavior and even shields it. If it seems I am just making fun of people, let me be clear that I am expressing outrage at the insanity of it. Insanity because we continually see a negative result.

I do not believe for one second that the anti-gunners currently screaming the loudest have the wherewithal to contend with this situation. Of course it is an overwhelming tragedy and I can excuse, for the moment, the blind flailing at anyone who seems culpable. But the almost complete absence of going after behavior, and everything that led to the awful moments yesterday, has me thinking that this behavior itself (if avoidance is a behavior, and I think it is) is something else that poses a danger.

This is not something we can be silent about. I am writing a letter to my congressman right now. This has to be part of the dialogue.
 
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#170
QuickNDirty said:
Don't know if that's the same guy, internet says his named was spelled Nikolas
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Its really not uncommon for a person to have their name spelled different ways on "official" documents.....all it takes is someone to enter it into a computer, or fill out a form wrong....

i mean hell, ive seen people spell their name differently on purpose.

2 people being the same age living in the same area........Nick Cruz isnt exactly "john smith"......
 
#171
When it comes to Ted Cruz our Senator, let's just say he and his family have deep ties to the "deep state" as well as the banking / finance industry.
Much like the Bush family (despite George W. playing up a different rural Texas persona), also well entrenched in the shadowy deep state world.

When it comes down to it, you don't get high up in politics without a lot of something behind you.
 
#172
Blaming the parents won't work. The Mother died of Pneumonia in November. The suspect asked to move in with a friend's family soon after. The suspect had been expelled from the school during the past year.

Greg
 
#175
The King said:
Ah. Nice. We have an MD here who can explain any meds questions better than I. My last look at it is like 15 years old.
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Haha I can try but sometimes it's hard in an informal written format like this.

Regarding your post on SSRI: we do know the mechanism of action well. The name says it all: selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). They do not directly increase the PRODUCTION of serotonin, rather they increase the AVAILABILITY of the serotonin that is already there by reducing the "reuptake" by the neuron that excreted it, allowing for more action on the downstream neuron that it interacts with.

Not all SSRI are created equal. Different side effect profiles is a big difference but also their results. Some produce a more sedating effect more useful in those with anxiety or anxiety AND depression. Other produce a more "stimulating" effect which is better for the stereotypical "down in the dumps" type depression. Because of this, some people experience a "hypo-mania", especially if they have some underlying (and undiagnosed) bipolar disorder. This is what it sounds like the gentleman above's family member experienced. There's a spectrum of all these psychiatric disorders (similar to the fairly new term "autism spectrum disorder"). A person may also experience "Serotonin storm".

Some people will not respond at all, or respond poorly, or inadequately to one SSRI yet may do very well on a second one. Due to the diversity in the class of SSRI medications I'll generally try 3 different ones before seeking alternatives. (I always seek counseling first, it's my go to treatment). The alternatives are generally less effective or much worse side effect profiles.

The biggest issue I have with my patients and SSRIs is poor follow up. I generally start at a low dose and ask them to come back in a month to evaluate effectiveness and necessity of increasing the dosage. I also always tell them to call immediately if they experience certain changes in their mood or behavior. Few do, most either quick taking med because of side effects, keep taking it because "the doctor told me too" or quit taking because it didn't work. In these cases I do my best to reach out to those patients lost to follow up but I'm not perfect and have a lot of other duties to attend too. Also, unfortunately, I fight a mentality in many patients that I just want frequent appointments to "get more money out of them."

The above is where I see poor outcomes (or the "they didn't work for me" outcome) In those patients that follow up frequently at the start and are compliant with their meds, I can generally make a very positive improvement in their disease.
 
#176
MosesTheTank said:
Behavior matters. It matters always. It matters when no one is looking, perhaps most of all.

Scanning the news stories there are plenty of anecdotes about the shooters disturbing behavior over a period of years. Much of it being bad behavior (various acts of violence and intimidation) noted at the time of occurrence. It appears this bad behavior went entirely unchecked. And right now, when he has displayed the most abominable and ghastly behavior it, still, goes unchecked.

I have searched the pages of at least a dozen major news outlets for some hint of just an honest examination of behavior. Only one, in an LA Times OpEd, did someone take note that punishment for bad behavior may have the impact of lessening future occurrences of the same bad behavior. Then they immediately diminished it by noting that the act of punishment may trample the rights of the bad actor.

Even the act of pointing a gun at these students and pulling the trigger is not examined. The shooter is a quasi-victim of "the gun lobby", or so I read in the New Yorker. I cannot help but a continual return to the thought the MMM has little to no concern about the behavior.

The wildly popular triggered-snowflake modus operandi is barely distinguishable from a laboratory amobea hooked up to electrodes. Both just twitch reflexively in response to uncomfortable stimuli. There is no coping mechanism, much less problem solving skills. At every point in the snow-amobeas life our culture excuses bad behavior and even shields it. If it seems I am just making fun of people, let me be clear that I am expressing outrage at the insanity of it. Insanity because we continually see a negative result.

I do not believe for one second that the anti-gunners currently screaming the loudest have the wherewithal to contend with this situation. Of course it is an overwhelming tragedy and I can excuse, for the moment, the blind flailing at anyone who seems culpable. But the almost complete absence of going after behavior, and everything that led to the awful moments yesterday, has me thinking that this behavior itself (if avoidance is a behavior, and I think it is) is something else that poses a danger.

This is not something we can be silent about. I am writing a letter to my congressman right now. This has to be part of the dialogue.
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Well said.
My mantra for these problems is this: "Repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome".

R
 
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I saw a sentiment thanking FDR for our current situation, and hoping that the situation would right itself, but would probably take a long time.

That's never going to happen, because the course of human events just simply is, and neither right nor wrong.

We live in an immense universe of which we are a sub-mini-micro-constituent. The universe as a whole, even just over in the next solar system, does not give a flying Schitt what happens on this planet, that's how short the span of our importance extends. So let us all get a grip. What we see as unsustainable, unendurable, unacceptable, even, doesn't even raise a detectable quiver on the Galactic Richter Scale(-Equivalent).

Imagine, if you will, an icy comet that's been sailing around in the outreaches of our own solar system for maybe 4 billion years. Every single micron along its path is the product of its velocity and vector, being constantly redirected by the three (four?) dimensional attractions imposed by the entire mass of each and every object in our Universe. It is not random, but it is also completely directed by forces over which the comet itself has no means to alter. In each instant, the pattern of attraction continues to be dynamic. The path is neither straight, nor follows a constant curve. It can best be described as convoluted. It cannot be defined in terms of right or wrong, it can just barely be predicted in the very short term; and many of the influences queued up are both variable and pretty much too complex to be reliably predicted.

But at least those influences respond to a fixed set of physical rules.

What can be predicted is that somewhere in our planet's future, that icy comet will deal devastation to all life on said planet, instituting the absolute reset of the genetic armature; and given a billion or so more years, maybe creatures entirely unrelated to us will be wringing their tentacles in despair, utterly convinced that no further good is, or can be, forthcoming in their given Universe.

Or not.

Who we are this instant, what we do at this time, is not the same as the next instant. Now add a handful or two of billions of humans, as well as the vast majority of non-sentient beings on our planet, as well as the physical conditions at large, all acting upon individuals, groups, all driven by the never to be predicted dynamics of the intra-human mass, and try to tell me that there is some mystical right or wrong path this immense kluge is supposed to follow.

Pardon me if I laugh, it's truly nothing personal.

We humans take ourselves ludicrously seriously.

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So based on the latest reports the FBI was informed of a comment on a YouTube video where the poster wrote about planning on being a professional school shooter. The person who posted the video reported the comment to YouTube and the FBI 6 months ago and after a visit from the FBI he figured they would track the guy down.

The FBIs response was they didn't have enough information to determine who posted the comment and therefore couldn't do anything further about it. The user name on the comment was Nikolas Cruz . . . Like honestly what the fuck, is incompetence that rampant in the FBI or are they slowly weeding out the officers that actually give a fuck about their job of protecting people?
 
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Greg Langelius * said:
I saw a sentiment thanking FDR for our current situation, and hoping that the situation would right itself, but would probably take a long time.

That's never going to happen, because the course of human events just simply is, and neither right nor wrong.

We live in an immense universe of which we are a sub-mini-micro-constituent. The universe as a whole, even just over in the next solar system, does not give a flying Schitt what happens on this planet, that's how short the span of our importance extends. So get a grip. What we see as unsustainable, unendurable, unacceptable, even, doesn't even raise a detectable quiver on the Galactic Richter Scale(-Equivalent).

Imagine, if you will, an icy comet that's been sailing around in the outreaches of our own solar system for maybe 4 billion years. Every single micron along its path is the product of its velocity and vector, being constantly redirected by the three (four?) dimensional attractions imposed by the entire mass of each and every object in our Universe. It is not random, but it is also completely directed by forces over which the comet itself has no means to alter. In each instant, the pattern of attraction continues to be dynamic. The path is neither straight, nor follows a constant curve. It can best be described as convoluted. It cannot be defined in terms of right or wrong, it can just barely be predicted in the very short term; and many of the influences queued up are both variable and pretty much too complex to be reliably predicted.

But at least those influences respond to a fixed set of physical rules.

What can be predicted is that somewhere in our planet's future, that icy comet will deal devastation to all life on said planet, instituting the absolute reset of the genetic armature; and given a billion or so more years, maybe creatures entirely unrelated to us will be wringing their tentacles in despair, utterly convinced that no further good is, or can be, forthcoming in their given Universe.

Or not.

Who we are this instant, what we do at this time, is not the same as the next instant. Now add a handful or two of billions of humans, as well as the vast majority of non-sentient beings on our planet, as well as the physical conditions at large, all acting upon individuals, groups, all driven by the never to be predicted dynamics of the intra-human mass, and try to tell me that there is some mystical right or wrong path this immense kluge is supposed to follow.

Pardon me if I laugh, it's truly nothing personal.

We humans take ourselves ludicrously seriously.

Greg
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My FDR comment was squarely centered around his grand new deal and the beginnings of a controlled subservient and dependent American populace.
 
#181
...And I think you made your point and that it is a valid one.

I was simply going off on the tangent thought your point triggered.

Be of good cheer and ignore my quirks as required...

LOL!

Greg
 
#182
There was a shots fired report this morning at a school close to that one. 35 Cops showed up before false alarm determined.

No ever hates a Cop while he is saving their ass.
 
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Just for info sake. One of the top education officials for Utah was just on the radio. The question came up "how do we stop this" his answer was "see something say something". He stated that since August 2016 (start of school year) until this morning 88 school attacks have been prevented with calls to 911 hotlines.
That is just amazing to me that so many teenagers think that is the answer.
 
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2ndamendfan said:
Just for info sake. One of the top education officials for Utah was just on the radio. The question came up "how do we stop this" his answer was "see something say something". He stated that since August 2016 (start of school year) until this morning 88 school attacks have been prevented with calls to 911 hotlines.
That is just amazing to me that so many teenagers think that is the answer.
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Granny got this one on the 13th.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...al-detailing-school-shooting-plot-police-say/
 
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ArmyJerry said:
So he wants to condition kids to be rats. Sounds familiar. It seems the authorities were warned. What could they do? Why is it their responsibility. Maybe they should ban guns huh
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Not sure what your point is. I think that shows the sytems works. Are you saying that if someone has information they should not inform LEO.
My point to my post that many more are being prevented than some might realise.
 
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Many children are medicated these days so it isn’t a surprise that most school shooters are also medicated. Could be a cause. Could also just be another symptom of the underlying problem.

The FBI was informed, school officials were informed, sounded like people around him just generally knew this kid was a bad apple. But what could have been done? The only thing I would hate more than the government taking my guns is them taking my freedom for something I said or something someone else thought about me.
 
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If you are following the comments, not only are they talking about gun control measures but the ability for the Police or Government to take action if your social media contains content related to guns, etc. They are talking about hauling you away to get mentally evaluated. Even POTUS is fueling the fire whether he knows it or not.

This is far more concerning than Gun Control legislation. Who decides? Any guns you have would be immediately confiscated. A very interesting turn of events.
 
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Nik H said:
If you are following the comments, not only are they talking about gun control measures but the ability for the Police or Government to take action if your social media contains content related to guns, etc. They are talking about hauling you away to get mentally evaluated. Even POTUS is fueling the fire whether he knows it or not.

This is far more concerning than Gun Control legislation. Who decides? Any guns you have would be immediately confiscated. A very interesting turn of events.
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Like reading a Bracken novel.....
Or at least Orwell.
 
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