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Food riots thread…and energy.

UK Govt Launching ‘Grow for Britain’ Strategy as Food Crisis Looms
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...-grow-for-britain-strategy-food-crisis-looms/

If we do a simple victory garden program in the US We can grow a surplus of food for our nation the likes of which most countries would die for.

Even in the old Soviet Union the tiny half hectar private food plots that were allowed in rural areas were the most efficient segment of communist agriculture.

We have no excuse for a food shortage in America for Americans. All we have to do is grow small Gardens.

England apparently remembers its history.

As for the rest of the world? Fuck them and let them starve. They have dirt too. They just don’t have the motivation to turn into a garden.

Decades of free cheese and Western aid have turned them into a bunch of lazy sloths. If we’d actually let them build their own economies instead of thinking that they could only survive with our UNICEF boxes and free millet, they would be self-sufficient by now. Let them fucking die.

Sirhr

Yeah, I doubt that. It takes .5 to 1 acre of potatoes to provide the calories for a family of four. Then there are the protein needs. A cow can handle that but she needs a bull once a year and anywhere from 2 to 10 plus acres. Taking care of all of this is a 2-4 hour daily job until the crop is set to in mid summer.

Then there are pests and water needs to deal with. And the fact that many places just don’t have the land, like most inner cities, period. Or the right climate.

People can raise tomatoes, peppers, squash, cucumbers, etc in pots if they tend them daily. This will provide all the vitamins.

And larger towns can stop mowing and rent out their roadsides and parks to sheep herders and goat herders if push came to shove but the increase in herd size would take 2-5 years and a long term commitment to the herders - like 20 to 30 year leases to make it stable and doable.

Urban hunters who can sell their game would be another. And this can be increased tremendously by planting mast and productive browse but it takes decades to get this going.

Ultimately the market must be allowed to work. Rise in food prices will lead to increases in both land planted as well as improvements in productivity. People can certainly eat less.

Modern Ag began when the Spaniards embargoed the Dutch and the local Dutch farmers got both property rights AND then began to raise their productivity due to high food prices with limited land.
 
In phoenix where it is routine to hit 110+ ive seen cattle in the flat land where there is little to no shade. They are kinda skinny, for cows, but they are living off a desert, they don’t drop or the rancher would move/sell them before hand. Im calling bs on the reasoning. Sounds made up by a shill for “climate change”.

Those cattle are being starved to make someone feel like a rancher. There is no grass in the desert.

And I also call BS on the “killed by the heat” nonsense. As long as the cows have water, they can stay cool.

Cows die off either to disease or to something they ate.
 
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Bullshit.
I'm in Kansas, and although it's hot, it's not unusual hot.
It gets this warm every year.
I have heard nothing about cattle dying and I have 9 pregnant cows in a field about 50 yards from where I sit right now.
Nothing unusual to mention, they are just fine and should bear about Sept/Oct.

Yep. Looks like a feedlot and a bunch of feeder steers killed by contaminated feed being put into truckload lots for burial or burning.

The hardest thing about ranching is dealing with the death of animals you have taken good care of and sweated over. You can do everything right and then something happens that is a tragedy. Some where I have a picture of a thousand momma cows with about 900 early calves grazing on deep green hillside. A few days later a late spring blizzard killed about half those calves. Picking up those dead calves for three days and putting them the boneyard while the mommas moaned and mooed was a very very hard week. Yes, with today’s weather tools, the cows can be moved down into a canyon or into breaks or even corralled, but 40 years ago, it was God’s wish..
 
Yep. Looks like a feedlot and a bunch of feeder steers killed by contaminated feed being put into truckload lots for burial or burning.

The hardest thing about ranching is dealing with the death of animals you have taken good care of and sweated over. You can do everything right and then something happens that is a tragedy. Some where I have a picture of a thousand momma cows with about 900 early calves grazing on deep green hillside. A few days later a late spring blizzard killed about half those calves. Picking up those dead calves for three days and putting them the boneyard while the mommas moaned and mooed was a very very hard week. Yes, with today’s weather tools, the cows can be moved down into a canyon or into breaks or even corralled, but 40 years ago, it was God’s wish..
I quite vividly remember rescuing a bunch of calves because of a freak blizzard on Easter Sunday. Wading waist deep in snow, carrying a scared little calf while it shit down down my arm and down the front of me.... while Momma cow followed me through the snow. All the others followed us back to the barn.
 
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Well, buy what they want.

But if push comes to shove, a bunch of executives aren't going to hold fertile ground when Americans want to grow on it.

Mr. Fink (perfect name... Ferret Face)... may have $20 trillion on paper under management. Yeah, whatever. In the 1980's Japan had trillions of 'ownership' in America as well. Assets they could never move or capitalize on or take advantage of. The fallout on their real-estate and movie studio investments destroyed their economy in the early 1990's and they never recovered.

Because you can try and take land. But if you can't hold it.... then your 'ownership' is useless.

So, let them spend their money.

Sirhr
 
Well, buy what they want.

But if push comes to shove, a bunch of executives aren't going to hold fertile ground when Americans want to grow on it.

Mr. Fink (perfect name... Ferret Face)... may have $20 trillion on paper under management. Yeah, whatever. In the 1980's Japan had trillions of 'ownership' in America as well. Assets they could never move or capitalize on or take advantage of. The fallout on their real-estate and movie studio investments destroyed their economy in the early 1990's and they never recovered.

Because you can try and take land. But if you can't hold it.... then your 'ownership' is useless.

So, let them spend their money.

Sirhr
Amen and amen.
 
Well, buy what they want.

But if push comes to shove, a bunch of executives aren't going to hold fertile ground when Americans want to grow on it.

Mr. Fink (perfect name... Ferret Face)... may have $20 trillion on paper under management. Yeah, whatever. In the 1980's Japan had trillions of 'ownership' in America as well. Assets they could never move or capitalize on or take advantage of. The fallout on their real-estate and movie studio investments destroyed their economy in the early 1990's and they never recovered.

Because you can try and take land. But if you can't hold it.... then your 'ownership' is useless.

So, let them spend their money.

Sirhr
That's a perspective i've never considered or thought of....and I feel a little stupid for not having done so.
Branden
 
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A bunch of executives with a small army of mercenaries hired on as security detail might hold onto it very well.
Big difference. Mercs with just a tie of money don't have the motivation of starving people. They also are few in number and probably not self-replenishing. A war of attrition would not be in their favor. This is the same problem a person in a rural area totally set up will have if things break down all the way. Without a replenishing community to hold things together it will all fall apart.
 
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^^^ This. Plus.... how much area can, say a squad of mercenaries hold or cover? 10 acres? In an area the size of Western Europe?

Ok... armed drones or some kind of Remotely-operate defenses? Who's going to defend those and maintain those systems?

Land is not a realistic 'large' investment. Its payback is in using it. Or reselling it. As long as it has use still. Same with single family houses. What do you do when SHTF and all your 'renters' say 'fuck it, I'm not paying rent any more.' Not a couple. But all of them. No money. No rent. Oh and your 'house' is subject to "Oh, I can't live here?.... watch me and my Zippo." Plus, if it's not maintained, look at what happens in just 5 years to empty houses. East LA and Detroit are great examples.

So all these utopian socialist pipe dreams are just fantasies of the deranged. Which is what most of these dictators and oligarchs and James Bond Villain types are. Mentally ill with giant God complexes... but an inability to understand real world problems and solutions. They live in inflated brains, fed plattitudes by their sycophants. And think they are going to rule forever.

Yeah... it ends well for them.

Sirhr
 
I didn't bother to read all 12 pages...

Just remember... We are 5 months, give or take, from midterms. We keep hearing the term "Red Wave" being tossed around and it is pretty much a foregone conclusion as to how the results are going to turn out.

We are dealing with high fuel prices, DEF shortage, supply chain issues, and looming food shortages, another outbreak, etc... And it all looks like it is going to get worse. If things get bad enough that civil unrest breaks out (tempers rise with temperature anyway) then they have the perfect excuse to suspend the election.

I don't know every law and loophole available to them... But you can bet these cocksuckers will use the flimsiest excuse to stop the election. And they will incite unrest to get their way.

Make the preparations necessary to get by and keep your wits about you. Keep a level head and encourage others to do the same. Don't be the excuse they're looking for... They'll manufacture something. We know that. Couer D'Alene is a good example. If they can't goad people into civil unrest they'll provide it themselves. Buckle down, stay calm, and let those efforts fizzle out.

I'm as sick of this as anyone, but let them make the first move.

"Shrewd as serpents and harmless as doves"

Mike
 
I didn't bother to read all 12 pages...

Just remember... We are 5 months, give or take, from midterms. We keep hearing the term "Red Wave" being tossed around and it is pretty much a foregone conclusion as to how the results are going to turn out.

We are dealing with high fuel prices, DEF shortage, supply chain issues, and looming food shortages, another outbreak, etc... And it all looks like it is going to get worse. If things get bad enough that civil unrest breaks out (tempers rise with temperature anyway) then they have the perfect excuse to suspend the election.

I don't know every law and loophole available to them... But you can bet these cocksuckers will use the flimsiest excuse to stop the election. And they will incite unrest to get their way.

Make the preparations necessary to get by and keep your wits about you. Keep a level head and encourage others to do the same. Don't be the excuse they're looking for... They'll manufacture something. We know that. Couer D'Alene is a good example. If they can't goad people into civil unrest they'll provide it themselves. Buckle down, stay calm, and let those efforts fizzle out.

I'm as sick of this as anyone, but let them make the first move.

"Shrewd as serpents and harmless as doves"

Mike
Be the grey man. Well those of us on this site may have already blown that cover;)
 
Well year 1 of having a garden has taught me quite a bit. Mostly that I need much much more than what I have now. Started a big compost pile in the spring. Going to start ordering seeds and getting a stockpile going before there isn’t a seed to be found next year.
Good for you.... Keep your eyes open for other local gardener's who would share some of their seeds with you from locally grown produce. Even if you can get some of their produce, allow it to dry and save the seeds for next year. Most gardener's are proud of what they grow and can be very helpful. Some of the different counties have County Agents that have some good info for a new gardener. We have no idea of where some of the commercial seeds come from. Many come from china or other foreign countries. You can waste a few growing seasons (years) messing with bad seeds.... Heirloom seeds are a bit more expensive. Some will do good in your local environment... Hang in there.
 
Fairly recent book by some lazy ass author has a pretty good tag line.

“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”

About seeds and local soils.
Get with the local college.
Most will do free soil testing and know all about the local area (gotta study something right ?).
Most will know what grows well locally and have seed stock you can *maybe* even get for free.
Also.....4H clubs,if you have any.
 
Good for you.... Keep your eyes open for other local gardener's who would share some of their seeds with you from locally grown produce. Even if you can get some of their produce, allow it to dry and save the seeds for next year. Most gardener's are proud of what they grow and can be very helpful. Some of the different counties have County Agents that have some good info for a new gardener. We have no idea of where some of the commercial seeds come from. Many come from china or other foreign countries. You can waste a few growing seasons (years) messing with bad seeds.... Heirloom seeds are a bit more expensive. Some will do good in your local environment... Hang in there.
While often populated only by filthy hippies (at least around here), local Farmers Markets can be great sources of 'local' and acclimated seeds. Even if it means getting the seeds out of the produce yourself. But vendors often sell (or barter) or source seeds.

Around here, we have Mowing While High.... I mean... High Mowing Seed company. They are filthy hippies, but their seeds are good, acclimated to this area... and they have a wide variety. I have a bunch put away.

Also, they are now filthy rich filthy hippies. So I am guessing they are Republican now. So it's ok.

Anyhoo.... I did my first garden since I was about 12 this summer. Mostly peppers and spices and sweet corn. But setting the stage. I have an ammo can full of seeds. Great storage container. And buy local. Save a long time. And be prepared for a LOT of hard work. Gardening is work. Hard work. My respect for Messicans has skyrocketed!

Sirhr
 
While often populated only by filthy hippies (at least around here), local Farmers Markets can be great sources of 'local' and acclimated seeds. Even if it means getting the seeds out of the produce yourself. But vendors often sell (or barter) or source seeds.

Around here, we have Mowing While High.... I mean... High Mowing Seed company. They are filthy hippies, but their seeds are good, acclimated to this area... and they have a wide variety. I have a bunch put away.

Also, they are now filthy rich filthy hippies. So I am guessing they are Republican now. So it's ok.

Anyhoo.... I did my first garden since I was about 12 this summer. Mostly peppers and spices and sweet corn. But setting the stage. I have an ammo can full of seeds. Great storage container. And buy local. Save a long time. And be prepared for a LOT of hard work. Gardening is work. Hard work. My respect for Messicans has skyrocketed!

Sirhr
Yep... I raise some stuff from High Mowing. I'll throw this out for discussion:

I started noticing the "failure to germinate" ratio to healthy starts was coming up, meaning more failures. I don't know exactly what is going on (GMO, Hybrid, etc) but seeds just don't seem to keep as many years as they used to. I think some are treated with something that makes them go dormant after a few years... If you follow the conspiracy theories, there is talk that we are down to only 2 or 3 mega corporations owning all of the seed suppliers. I did not fact-check. I have gotten some seeds from "Seed Savers" and those were just hit and miss.

So, this year I tilled up an extra area and labeled it as "Survival of the Fittest". In that area I put a large amount of my older seeds (direct plant) to watch how they will germinate and grow. That will be my area to save the seeds from the hardiest plants. Eventually a seed needs to be planted, grow to maturity and produce some seeds to save for future crops.

This is my 5th year to grow a garden on my homestead. I have moved it 3 different times due to the conditions surrounding the garden like shade trees, weeds blowing over from an abandoned rail road track and soil with large rocks. There are very few successful first year gardens. Get started now.
 
Well year 1 of having a garden has taught me quite a bit. Mostly that I need much much more than what I have now. Started a big compost pile in the spring. Going to start ordering seeds and getting a stockpile going before there isn’t a seed to be found next year.

Good job. Nothing wrong with starting small and learning. It will make future endeavors more efficient.

Mike
 
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Rice isn't much of a problem here, it grows wild all over the south.
The problem.... people are too stupid to know what it is, and too stupid to harvest it.

My biggest worry is that they will start diverting food grain to make ethanol to augment Slowped Joes mandate for higher ethanol content in fuel.
That could become a serious issue....because democraps.
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Yep... I raise some stuff from High Mowing. I'll throw this out for discussion:

I started noticing the "failure to germinate" ratio to healthy starts was coming up, meaning more failures. I don't know exactly what is going on (GMO, Hybrid, etc) but seeds just don't seem to keep as many years as they used to. I think some are treated with something that makes them go dormant after a few years... If you follow the conspiracy theories, there is talk that we are down to only 2 or 3 mega corporations owning all of the seed suppliers. I did not fact-check. I have gotten some seeds from "Seed Savers" and those were just hit and miss.

So, this year I tilled up an extra area and labeled it as "Survival of the Fittest". In that area I put a large amount of my older seeds (direct plant) to watch how they will germinate and grow. That will be my area to save the seeds from the hardiest plants. Eventually a seed needs to be planted, grow to maturity and produce some seeds to save for future crops.

This is my 5th year to grow a garden on my homestead. I have moved it 3 different times due to the conditions surrounding the garden like shade trees, weeds blowing over from an abandoned rail road track and soil with large rocks. There are very few successful first year gardens. Get started now.
I've got my first year garden going, and it's a learning experience. I think I over fertilized, but I only see signs on one of my tomatoes, if it spreads i'm going to mulch 'em to help bring that down. My tomatoes are massive though. They are up to my neck, they're on raised beds, but they're only 6" beds, so they're super tall. They were getting super bushy, and I trimmed 'em back and I have a couple vines to tie up on the cages to get 'em going the way I want 'em to.

I like your idea of the survival of the fittest, that's a good plan I think. This thread is making me realize that I need to research seed collection and preservation of my own. I'm planning to expand the garden even more next year, and I need to get berry plants of many varieties going along the fences on the south end of my property.

I'm already starting on the spot in the trees for my chickens. Wife thinks i'm nuts for wanting 15-25 egg layers, and wanting to get 100 cornish cross chickens for meat chickens since they're ready in 55-60 days. My wife's uncle has the plucker setup already, and did 30 the other day. I've asked to be invited for the next round so I can experience it for when it comes time for me to do it.

the way I see things, i'm planning to prepare for a 1930's depression era suck fest, if it doesn't happen, oh well, i'm just another tinfoil hat wearing weirdo, and I can live with that. If it does happen, i'm a hero, and i'm in a position to help my tiny little community called my neighborhood. I watched several videos of documentaries and interviews with folks that lived through that era, and a common thing was about community, and helping your neighbors. At first I thought I need enough for just my wife and daughters, now i'm thinking more along the lines of I need enough to help neighbors too, because I sure as hell need to sleep, and it'd be nice to have people to rotate the guard schedule with. Again though, I might just be a weirdo with a tinfoil hat, and I kinda hope so.

Branden
 
I've got my first year garden going, and it's a learning experience. I think I over fertilized, but I only see signs on one of my tomatoes, if it spreads i'm going to mulch 'em to help bring that down. My tomatoes are massive though. They are up to my neck, they're on raised beds, but they're only 6" beds, so they're super tall. They were getting super bushy, and I trimmed 'em back and I have a couple vines to tie up on the cages to get 'em going the way I want 'em to.

I like your idea of the survival of the fittest, that's a good plan I think. This thread is making me realize that I need to research seed collection and preservation of my own. I'm planning to expand the garden even more next year, and I need to get berry plants of many varieties going along the fences on the south end of my property.

I'm already starting on the spot in the trees for my chickens. Wife thinks i'm nuts for wanting 15-25 egg layers, and wanting to get 100 cornish cross chickens for meat chickens since they're ready in 55-60 days. My wife's uncle has the plucker setup already, and did 30 the other day. I've asked to be invited for the next round so I can experience it for when it comes time for me to do it.

the way I see things, i'm planning to prepare for a 1930's depression era suck fest, if it doesn't happen, oh well, i'm just another tinfoil hat wearing weirdo, and I can live with that. If it does happen, i'm a hero, and i'm in a position to help my tiny little community called my neighborhood. I watched several videos of documentaries and interviews with folks that lived through that era, and a common thing was about community, and helping your neighbors. At first I thought I need enough for just my wife and daughters, now i'm thinking more along the lines of I need enough to help neighbors too, because I sure as hell need to sleep, and it'd be nice to have people to rotate the guard schedule with. Again though, I might just be a weirdo with a tinfoil hat, and I kinda hope so.

Branden
The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
Lao Tzu
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You must be in a warm climate with tomatoes like that. With the preparations you have done, you are well ahead of 95% of Americans. I admire your benevolence towards your neighborhood. Keep one thought in mind "You can not save them all". Let's save that discussion for another time.
There are few mistakes in gardening. However, there are many lessons.
A few random thoughts:
A "Master Gardner" class... Perhaps the county Agent runs this class, a local university or a gardening club.
Local word of mouth between gardeners is better than Internet searches and video's. Part of it is being in different climate regions.
Heirloom seeds - Study up and begin your search
Hybrid seeds - A wild card for seed savers. Never know what you will get in a season or two
Germination - don't get discouraged when a store bought package of seeds fails to germinate. More and more that is happening.
Location of seed suppliers. Try to get seeds from suppliers in your growing season local.
Potatoes - May take you a few years to home in on what does best in your area. Try to find some heirloom seed spuds locally.
Bees - Communicate with your local bee keeper's. They are a world of knowledge about nature.

There are some really good guy's right here on this board with a world of knowledge and are willing to help you get going.

Hang in there.
 
I've got my first year garden going, and it's a learning experience. I think I over fertilized, but I only see signs on one of my tomatoes, if it spreads i'm going to mulch 'em to help bring that down. My tomatoes are massive though. They are up to my neck, they're on raised beds, but they're only 6" beds, so they're super tall. They were getting super bushy, and I trimmed 'em back and I have a couple vines to tie up on the cages to get 'em going the way I want 'em to.

I like your idea of the survival of the fittest, that's a good plan I think. This thread is making me realize that I need to research seed collection and preservation of my own. I'm planning to expand the garden even more next year, and I need to get berry plants of many varieties going along the fences on the south end of my property.

I'm already starting on the spot in the trees for my chickens. Wife thinks i'm nuts for wanting 15-25 egg layers, and wanting to get 100 cornish cross chickens for meat chickens since they're ready in 55-60 days. My wife's uncle has the plucker setup already, and did 30 the other day. I've asked to be invited for the next round so I can experience it for when it comes time for me to do it.

the way I see things, i'm planning to prepare for a 1930's depression era suck fest, if it doesn't happen, oh well, i'm just another tinfoil hat wearing weirdo, and I can live with that. If it does happen, i'm a hero, and i'm in a position to help my tiny little community called my neighborhood. I watched several videos of documentaries and interviews with folks that lived through that era, and a common thing was about community, and helping your neighbors. At first I thought I need enough for just my wife and daughters, now i'm thinking more along the lines of I need enough to help neighbors too, because I sure as hell need to sleep, and it'd be nice to have people to rotate the guard schedule with. Again though, I might just be a weirdo with a tinfoil hat, and I kinda hope so.

Branden
If you have lots of green but not many tomatoes you probably have to much nitrogen on there.
 
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If you have lots of green but not many tomatoes you probably have to much nitrogen on there.
I have a bunch of tomatoes that are growing, 2 varieties across 3 plants of cherry tomatoes that have literally hundreds of 'em growing, the larger variety have quite a few growing, and the yellow pear have a bunch growing too. I just fertilized 'em the other day again, but the first round was about a week after I put 'em in the ground back in April. I should have gotten a tester first, then gone from there once I knew the pH, and NPK content, but like I said, i'm new, and still learning. I've spent a lot of time trying to get the tomatoes right, and I don't even eat 'maters. My wife and daughters do, and we can make sauces and other stuff I do like, but you'll never see me pop a cherry tomato in my mouth, or put a slice of one on a burger.

I've certainly got a lot ot learn, if I can have a reasonably successful harvest this year, and turn out some good tomatoes for the family, a bunch of taters for me, sweet corn, bell peppers, a few good lookin' pumpkins and some delicious watermelons, i'll be happy, and ready to do more next year.

Branden
 
This goes back to the fertilizer thread too...

Ammonia, Urea, and Ammonium nitrate are often produced from cracking natural gas. So the war on "fossil fuels" is also a war on food production.

This isn't a result of incompetence or idiots virtue signaling... These clowns are going to actively sacrifice billions of lives to move their agenda forward.

Without petroleum and its byproducts we will be reduced to an 18th century existence real quick... Wind and solar ain't gonna cut the mustard to meet our energy needs.

Mike
 
This goes back to the fertilizer thread too...

Ammonia, Urea, and Ammonium nitrate are often produced from cracking natural gas. So the war on "fossil fuels" is also a war on food production.

This isn't a result of incompetence or idiots virtue signaling... These clowns are going to actively sacrifice billions of lives to move their agenda forward.

Without petroleum and its byproducts we will be reduced to an 18th century existence real quick... Wind and solar ain't gonna cut the mustard to meet our energy needs.

Mike
Well said... Glad you are on board with some of us who are seeing the reality of it all. Honestly, I have no answers. I'm following the fiasco in order to have a bit of knowledge about what to prepare for next year at this time. The scenery changes rapidly.
 
Well said... Glad you are on board with some of us who are seeing the reality of it all. Honestly, I have no answers. I'm following the fiasco in order to have a bit of knowledge about what to prepare for next year at this time. The scenery changes rapidly.
I remember when everyone laughed at you and said “No way!” When you started a thread about chicken feed.

I will say, it’s interesting watching the world go to shit in real time.
 
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I remember when everyone laughed at you and said “No way!” When you started a thread about chicken feed.

I will say, it’s interesting watching the world go to shit in real time.
The hard part is.......... or maybe a future thread.. how to prepare for the worst with 200 dollars a month expendable income..
Anyone can prepare if you have the $$.. it's the poors that have to think how best to use the $$.
 
The hard part is.......... or maybe a future thread.. how to prepare for the worst with 200 dollars a month expendable income..
Anyone can prepare if you have the $$.. it's the poors that have to think how best to use the $$.

Invest in a rascal scooter so waiting in the bread line is more enjoyable.

 
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I remember when everyone laughed at you and said “No way!” When you started a thread about chicken feed.

I will say, it’s interesting watching the world go to shit in real time.
I kind of went out on a limb at that time... I had deep roots in Louisiana when the oil industry went to shit in the late 80's. I vividly remember the big billboard in Morgan City, LA saying "Would the last person to leave, please turn out the lights". I had those same premonitions as the Virus was winding down. I had hoped I was just being over cautious.
 
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The hard part is.......... or maybe a future thread.. how to prepare for the worst with 200 dollars a month expendable income..
Anyone can prepare if you have the $$.. it's the poors that have to think how best to use the $$.
Start a thread on that.

It can’t hurt and could definitely help some.

Worse case it’s a good mental exercise.
 
Start a thread on that.

It can’t hurt and could definitely help some.

Worse case it’s a good mental exercise.
I agree. I have friends that are finding they have dug themselves into a "financial hole". After listening to their plight I say "The first thing you must do is to stop digging". At that moment it is about having the will power to stop. Spending can be like an addiction to smoking, gambling or over eating. Some can do it, some can not.
 
I kind of went out on a limb at that time... I had deep roots in Louisiana when the oil industry went to shit in the late 80's. I vividly remember the big billboard in Morgan City, LA saying "Would the last person to leave, please turn out the lights". I had those same premonitions as the Virus was winding down. I had hoped I was just being over cautious.
Paid everything off in 2019... Had the money and wasn't sure what to really do with it. Really considered letting it sit and build... Weighed all the options and just decided to pay everything off.

In hindsight, best financial decision I have ever made.

It wouldn't be comfortable, but I could get by on $10 an hour pushing a broom now.

Mike
 
I quite vividly remember rescuing a bunch of calves because of a freak blizzard on Easter Sunday. Wading waist deep in snow, carrying a scared little calf while it shit down down my arm and down the front of me.... while Momma cow followed me through the snow. All the others followed us back to the barn.

"Well, he's up at the crack of dawn, puttin' thoes woolies on
The wind's so cold the chills are runnin' down his back
The cattle range is froze, and every little dogie knows
He's an angel of mercy mounted on a horse's back"

One of my favorite songs.



I've gotten a lot of first time worn out momma cows on their feet over the years after they spent too much time in labor and then got the calf on the teat. Seeing them big and fat a few months later was deeply moving.

Well done. Close call.

Better to move the herd down and be wrong than carry that on your conscience for the rest of your life.
 
^^^ This. Plus.... how much area can, say a squad of mercenaries hold or cover? 10 acres? In an area the size of Western Europe?

Ok... armed drones or some kind of Remotely-operate defenses? Who's going to defend those and maintain those systems?

There has been a very function AI robot to protect borders available since 2006 at least. Ask S. Korea.