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Food riots thread…and energy.

#603
So saw an interesting piece while channel surfing about 'crop abandonment' rates. Maybe someone who is a professional 'large scale' farmer can comment.

But what I gather is that a lot of crops were planted, rice and wheat in particular, before the prices on everything totally spiked. Farm planting loans did not account for the price hikes. So a lot of farmers can't afford to buy the diesel and chemicals needed to bring the crops to maturity and harvest them. Plus concerns about commodities prices (are other countries having good years?). Anyway, the result is that they are not going to maintain or harvest crops. The math says it's better to let them die in the fields than to harvest.

Also on Thursday something called the "Acreage" report is coming out Thursday from Ag Dept. It forecasts the harvest, how much is planted, how much is fallow, looks at abandonment, etc. And is predicted to be a bloodbath and predicting very serious reductions in output.

May be interpreting this wrong... but I am sure some of you follow this stuff for a living. Does 'Thursday' mean anything? Or is it just stats that don't translate to the grocery aisle? Seems like it would. But what do I know?

Sirhr
 
#604
WEF great reset in full swing.
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Another Food Processing Plant Shutters Operations, Adding To Long List Of Closures​

The announcement of the closure pushed up the number of closed US food processing plants over the last year to 100. The list below are plants destroyed, damaged, or impacted by "accidental fires," disease, or other causes (courtesy of The Gateway Pundit):

  1. 1/11/21 A fire that destroyed 75,000-square-foot processing plant in Fayetteville
  2. 4/30/21 A fire ignited inside the Smithfield Foods pork processing plant in Monmouth, IL
  3. 7/25/21 Three-alarm fire at Kellogg plant in Memphis, 170 emergency personnel responded to the call
  4. 7/30/21 Firefighters on Friday battled a large fire at Tyson's River Valley Ingredients plant in Hanceville, Alabama
  5. 8/23/21 Fire crews were called to the Patak Meat Production company on Ewing Road in Austell
  6. 9/13/21 A fire at the JBS beef plant in Grand Island, Neb., on Sunday night forced a halt to slaughter and fabrication lines
  7. 10/13/21 A five-alarm fire ripped through the Darigold butter production plant in Caldwell, ID
  8. 11/15/21 A woman is in custody following a fire at the Garrard County Food Pantry
  9. 11/29/21 A fire broke out around 5:30 p.m. at the Maid-Rite Steak Company meat processing plant
  10. 12/13/21 West Side food processing plant in San Antonio left with smoke damage after a fire
  11. 1/7/22 Damage to a poultry processing plant on Hamilton's Mountain following an overnight fire
  12. 1/13/22 Firefighters worked for 12 hours to put a fire out at the Cargill-Nutrena plant in Lecompte, LA
  13. 1/31/22 a fertilizer plant with 600 tons of ammonium nitrate inside caught on fire on Cherry Street in Winston-Salem
  14. 2/3/22 A massive fire swept through Wisconsin River Meats in Mauston
  15. 2/3/22 At least 130 cows were killed in a fire at Percy Farm in Stowe
  16. 2/15/22 Bonanza Meat Company goes up in flames in El Paso, Texas
  17. 2/15/22 Nearly a week after the fire destroyed most of the Shearer's Foods plant in Hermiston
  18. 2/16/22 A fire had broken at US largest soybean processing and biodiesel plant in Claypool, Indiana
  19. 2/18/22 An early morning fire tore through the milk parlor at Bess View Farm
  20. 2/19/22 Three people were injured, and one was hospitalized, after an ammonia leak at Lincoln Premium Poultry in Fremont
  21. 2/22/22 The Shearer's Foods plant in Hermiston caught fire after a propane boiler exploded
  22. 2/28/22 A smoldering pile of sulfur quickly became a raging chemical fire at Nutrien Ag Solutions
  23. 2/28/22 A man was hurt after a fire broke out at the Shadow Brook Farm and Dutch Girl Creamery
  24. 3/4/22 294,800 chickens destroyed at farm in Stoddard, Missouri
  25. 3/4/22 644,000 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Cecil, Maryland
  26. 3/8/22 243,900 chickens destroyed at egg farm in New Castle, Delaware
  27. 3/10/22 663,400 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Cecil, MD
  28. 3/10/22 915,900 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Taylor, IA
  29. 3/14/22 The blaze at 244 Meadow Drive was discovered shortly after 5 p.m. by farm owner Wayne Hoover
  30. 3/14/22 2,750,700 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Jefferson, Wisconsin
  31. 3/16/22 A fire at a Walmart warehouse distribution center in Plainfield, Indiana has cast a large plume of smoke visible throughout Indianapolis.
  32. 3/16/22 Nestle Food Plant extensively damaged in fire and new production destroyed Jonesboro, Arkansas
  33. 3/17/22 5,347,500 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Buena Vista, Iowa
  34. 3/17/22 147,600 chickens destroyed at farm in Kent, Delaware
  35. 3/18/22 315,400 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Cecil, Maryland
  36. 3/22/22 172,000 Turkeys destroyed on farms in South Dakota
  37. 3/22/22 570,000 chickens destroyed at farm in Butler, Nebraska
  38. 3/24/22 Fire fighters from numerous towns are battling a major fire at the McCrum potato processing facility in Belfast, Maine.
  39. 3/24/22 418,500 chickens destroyed at farm in Butler, Nebraska
  40. 3/25/22 250,300 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Franklin, Iowa
  41. 3/26/22 311,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  42. 3/27/22 126,300 Turkeys destroyed in South Dakota
  43. 3/28/22 1,460,000 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Guthrie, Iowa
  44. 3/29/22 A massive fire burned 40,000 pounds of food meant to feed people in a food desert near Maricopa
  45. 3/31/22 A structure fire caused significant damage to a large portion of key fresh onion packing facilities in south Texas
  46. 3/31/22 76,400 Turkeys destroyed in Osceola, Iowa
  47. 3/31/22 5,011,700 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Osceola, Iowa
  48. 4/6/22 281,600 chickens destroyed at farm in Wayne, North Carolina
  49. 4/9/22 76,400 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  50. 4/9/22 208,900 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  51. 4/12/22 89,700 chickens destroyed at farm in Wayne, North Carolina
  52. 4/12/22 1,746,900 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Dixon, Nebraska
  53. 4/12/22 259,000 chickens destroyed at farm in Minnesota
  54. 4/13/22 Fire destroys East Conway Beef & Pork Meat Market in Conway, New Hampshire
  55. 4/13/22 Plane crashes into Gem State Processing, Idaho potato and food processing plant
  56. 4/13/22 77,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  57. 4/14/22 Taylor Farms Food Processing plant burns down Salinas, California.
  58. 4/14/22 99,600 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  59. 4/15/22 1,380,500 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Lancaster, Minnesota
  60. 4/19/22 Azure Standard nation's premier independent distributor of organic and healthy food, was destroyed by fire in Dufur, Oregon
  61. 4/19/22 339,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  62. 4/19/22 58,000 chickens destroyed at farm in Montrose, Color
  63. 4/20/22 2,000,000 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Minnesota
  64. 4/21/22 A small plane crashed in the lot of a General Mills plant in Covington, Georgia
  65. 4/22/22 197,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  66. 4/23/22 200,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota
  67. 4/25/22 1,501,200 chickens destroyed at egg farm Cache, Utah
  68. 4/26/22 307,400 chickens destroyed at farm Lancaster Pennsylvania
  69. 4/27/22 2,118,000 chickens destroyed at farm Knox, Nebraska
  70. 4/28/22 Egg-laying facility in Iowa kills 5.3 million chickens, fires 200-plus workers
  71. 4/28/22 Allen Harim Foods processing plant killed nearly 2M chickens in Delaware
  72. 4/2822 110,700 Turkeys destroyed Barron Wisconsin
  73. 4/29/22 5 million honeybees are dead after a flight carrying the pollinator insects from California to Alaska got diverted to Georgia (New)
  74. 4/29/22 1,366,200 chickens destroyed at farm Weld Colorado
  75. 4/30/22 13,800 chickens destroyed at farm Sequoia Oklahoma
  76. 5/3/22 58,000 Turkeys destroyed Barron Wisconsin
  77. 5/3/22 118,900 Turkeys destroyed Beadle S Dakota
  78. 5/3/22 114,000 ducks destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  79. 5/3/22 118,900 Turkeys destroyed Lyon Minnesota
  80. 5/7/22 20,100 Turkeys destroyed Barron Wisconsin
  81. 5/10/22 72,300 chickens destroyed at farm Lancaster Pennsylvania
  82. 5/10/22 61,000 ducks destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  83. 5/10/22 35,100 Turkeys destroyed Muskegon, Michigan
  84. 5/13/22 10,500 Turkeys destroyed Barron Wisconsin
  85. 5/14/22 83,400 ducks destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  86. 5/17/22 79,00 chickens destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  87. 5/18/22 7,200 ducks destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  88. 5/19/22 Train carrying limestone derailed Jensen Beach FL
  89. 5/21/22 57,000 Turkeys destroyed on farm in Dakota Minnesota
  90. 5/23/22 4,000 ducks destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  91. 5/29/22 A Saturday night fire destroyed a poultry building at Forsman Farms in Howard Lake, Minnesota
  92. 5/31/22 3,000,000 chickens destroyed by fire at Forsman facility in Stockholm Township, Minnesota
  93. 6/2/22 30,000 ducks destroyed at Duck farm Berks Pennsylvania
  94. 6/7/22 A fire occurred Tuesday evening at the JBS meat packing plant in Green Bay, Wisconsin
  95. 6/8/22 Firefighters from Tangipahoa Fire District 1 respond to a fire at the Purina Feed Mill in Arcola, Louisiana
  96. 6/9/22 Irrigation water was canceled in California (the #1 producer of food in the US) and storage water flushed directly out to the delta.
  97. 6/12/22 Largest Pork Company in the US Shuts Down California Plant Due to High Costs
  98. 6/13/22 Fire Breaks Out at a Food Processing Plant West of Waupaca County in Wisconsin
  99. 6/14/22 Over 10,000 head of cattle have reportedly died in the recent Kansas heat wave
  100. 6/23/22 George's Inc.: Poultry and Prepared Foods announced it will close one of its food processing plants in Campbell County, Tennessee
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sirhrmechanic said:
So saw an interesting piece while channel surfing about 'crop abandonment' rates. Maybe someone who is a professional 'large scale' farmer can comment.

But what I gather is that a lot of crops were planted, rice and wheat in particular, before the prices on everything totally spiked. Farm planting loans did not account for the price hikes. So a lot of farmers can't afford to buy the diesel and chemicals needed to bring the crops to maturity and harvest them. Plus concerns about commodities prices (are other countries having good years?). Anyway, the result is that they are not going to maintain or harvest crops. The math says it's better to let them die in the fields than to harvest.

Also on Thursday something called the "Acreage" report is coming out Thursday from Ag Dept. It forecasts the harvest, how much is planted, how much is fallow, looks at abandonment, etc. And is predicted to be a bloodbath and predicting very serious reductions in output.

May be interpreting this wrong... but I am sure some of you follow this stuff for a living. Does 'Thursday' mean anything? Or is it just stats that don't translate to the grocery aisle? Seems like it would. But what do I know?

Sirhr
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I am not a large scale farmer.
Your observations are correct. What is happening in the "Energy Sector" is a mirror image of events transpiring in the "Food Sector".
An oversimplified answer to your question "What do I know?".... You know enough to plan for 12 months of hard times.

The "Government Reports" are just that... Facts and figures as they see them. They are politicized.
Similar to United Airlines Flight 93.... American's are being told "Ladies and gentlemen: here the captain. [sic] Please sit down, keep remaining seating.".........

Everything is going to be OK, until it is not OK.
 
#606
So my coworker took these last evening at our local Sam's Club. WTF?!?! Is this a one-off problem at this one store, or a reflection of a wider issue? I don't grocery shop...my wife does, but mainly uses the parking lot pickup service, so we haven't seen the inside of a grocery place in years, and never been inside a Sam's.

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I know and have heard about the shortages etc, just didn't realize it was this bad!
 
#608
Price increase for 4th of July celebrations per Farm Bureau, according to The Epoch Times, fully expects a 17 percent increase:

“The authors of the study assessed many of Americans’ favorite cookout foods. They found that the price for two pounds of ground beef surged 36 percent to $11.12, two pounds of boneless and skinless chicken breasts jumped 33 percent to $8.99, three pounds of center cut pork chops climbed 31 percent to $15.26, and 32 ounces of pork and beans rose 33 percent to $2.53.”
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earthquake said:
So my coworker took these last evening at our local Sam's Club. WTF?!?! Is this a one-off problem at this one store, or a reflection of a wider issue? I don't grocery shop...my wife does, but mainly uses the parking lot pickup service, so we haven't seen the inside of a grocery place in years, and never been inside a Sam's.

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I know and have heard about the shortages etc, just didn't realize it was this bad!
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OK.... Great observation and post. Here is the deal. I use the word "sprinkling" to describe the food situation. The same thing happened during the ammo shortage and the toilet paper shortage. Commodities are being spread around strategically to the point of when one guy says "Look there is a shortage of XYZ"..... another guy will reply and say "My local grocery store has so much XYZ that there is a pallet full on sale at the front door.
I don't care how people label me, I'm past that point in life... I have seen this before... Deja Vu... Other's have seen it, also.

There is so much propaganda, Artificial Intelligence (AI) scowering every message on the Internet, it is becoming very easy to "de-bunk" any shortages. So, ask yourself "Who the hell is this person who is always saying there is no shortage in their AO ?

Honestly I get the most verifiable info right here or from my good friends who will send a text or call me.

Read our postings on "Recession", "Shortages" or "Stock Market" from last year... We saw all of this coming.

The only thing I can say right now is to have 12 months worth of provisions stored at your place of residence.

When I find anything positive, I will share.
 
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Last time in CostCo, they had plenty of meat, but it was 30%-40% higher than before, so I'm not buying much.
They no longer sell the $1/lbs whole chicken, cheapest I think is $2.50 now.
I guess when all the cattle that got dumped by the ranches gets processed, prices will really skyrocket.
Several people have said in the US, we'll never completely run out of food, but we may be eating rice, beans and government cheese for awhile.
 
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NoDopes said:
Last time in CostCo, they had plenty of meat, but it was 30%-40% higher than before, so I'm not buying much.
They no longer sell the $1/lbs whole chicken, cheapest I think is $2.50 now.
I guess when all the cattle that got dumped by the ranches gets processed, prices will really skyrocket.
Several people have said in the US, we'll never completely run out of food, but we may be eating rice, beans and government cheese for awhile.
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The future is unknown. We wake up to a different world every day. No one knows what the "plan" is or if there really is a plan.
"We the People" are navigating without a compass.
Costco appears to be building a plateau,
big.chart
 
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More analysts are supporting the increasing food shortages forecasts. Currently some are projecting it to last at least 2-3 years.

2-3 years seems to be the realistic minimum amount of time it would take to recover.

Winter wheat is coming in at ~42% poor or very poor harvests
 
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eca7891 said:
More analysts are supporting the increasing food shortages forecasts. Currently some are projecting it to last at least 2-3 years.

2-3 years seems to be the realistic minimum amount of time it would take to recover.

Winter wheat is coming in at ~42% poor or very poor harvests
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Those of you who grow a garden understand Mother Nature. When it becomes obvious a plant / crop is going to fail, a farmer can't simply replant. That window of opportunity has closed. All a farmer can do is think about why the failure occurred and adapt the changes into next year's crop. He is hoping that crop failure is not a 2 or 3 year ordeal.
 
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Hobo Hilton said:
Again, the EPA is at it.
ncga.com

NCGA Expresses Disappointment in EPA’s Revision to Atrazine’s Registration

A Move that Could Restrict Access to a Critical Crop Protection Tool The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)announced today that it is revising its registration for atrazine, a well-studied herbicide essential to farming. “We are disappointed by EPA’s decision,”...
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Time to sue the fuck out of them now that SCOTUS has opened that door
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
So saw an interesting piece while channel surfing about 'crop abandonment' rates. Maybe someone who is a professional 'large scale' farmer can comment.

But what I gather is that a lot of crops were planted, rice and wheat in particular, before the prices on everything totally spiked. Farm planting loans did not account for the price hikes. So a lot of farmers can't afford to buy the diesel and chemicals needed to bring the crops to maturity and harvest them. Plus concerns about commodities prices (are other countries having good years?). Anyway, the result is that they are not going to maintain or harvest crops. The math says it's better to let them die in the fields than to harvest.

Also on Thursday something called the "Acreage" report is coming out Thursday from Ag Dept. It forecasts the harvest, how much is planted, how much is fallow, looks at abandonment, etc. And is predicted to be a bloodbath and predicting very serious reductions in output.

May be interpreting this wrong... but I am sure some of you follow this stuff for a living. Does 'Thursday' mean anything? Or is it just stats that don't translate to the grocery aisle? Seems like it would. But what do I know?

Sirhr
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I just read the report and it doesn't look terrible, unless i'm missing a key part of it. Corn planted acreage down 4% this year, soybeans up 1%, and several others up slightly. We won't know until after the harvest what the yields are going to be with many farmers opting out of fertilizing due to high prices, but that will be interesting. total farmland planted seems to be up. If I missed the sign in the report, if you would please point it out to me cause I clearly missed it.

Branden
 
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Short-bus said:
I just read the report and it doesn't look terrible, unless i'm missing a key part of it. Corn planted acreage down 4% this year, soybeans up 1%, and several others up slightly. We won't know until after the harvest what the yields are going to be with many farmers opting out of fertilizing due to high prices, but that will be interesting. total farmland planted seems to be up. If I missed the sign in the report, if you would please point it out to me cause I clearly missed it.

Branden
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Yes see what the yields are on those numbers.
 
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The local meat processors are booked for a year. These are the processors that take care of farmers that sell to individuals not the commercial processing. It's been that way since the china flu started. Before that I could get a date for processing in a couple weeks. The problem now is that they don't have the cooler space to hang beef to age it before processing. And they want it picked up quickly when they are done.
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
The local meat processors are booked for a year. These are the processors that take care of farmers that sell to individuals not the commercial processing. It's been that way since the china flu started. Before that I could get a date for processing in a couple weeks. The problem now is that they don't have the cooler space to hang beef to age it before processing. And they want it picked up quickly when they are done.
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You are fortunate to have a local processor, looking at things to come. Many of them have gone out of business... Give some thought to processing your own meat. That may be what it is coming to.
 
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Pre64 said:
We didn’t fertilize any of our hay fields and just finished up our first cut, down almost 50 percent on yields. We where guessing we would only be down 25 to 30 percent. if the corn, wheat and rice farmers are down like the hay producers are seeing it’s going to be even worse than Im expecting
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Thank you for your input. Your report sounds similar to the other reports (worldwide) that are being publicized. But again, all of the "Government Reports" are filled with propaganda and skewed numbers. Their inflation numbers are not even close to what inflation is for the working family.
It's all good.... Until it's not good.
 
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I skipped fertilizer in my pasture fields this year and you can tell the difference.
Pre64 said:
We didn’t fertilize any of our hay fields and just finished up our first cut, down almost 50 percent on yields. We where guessing we would only be down 25 to 30 percent. if the corn, wheat and rice farmers are down like the hay producers are seeing it’s going to be even worse than Im expecting
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If any is available next year I will have to bite the bullet.
 
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Pre64 said:
We didn’t fertilize any of our hay fields and just finished up our first cut, down almost 50 percent on yields. We where guessing we would only be down 25 to 30 percent. if the corn, wheat and rice farmers are down like the hay producers are seeing it’s going to be even worse than Im expecting
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How was rainfall? Was it in the normal range for your area?

Branden
 
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Hobo Hilton said:
You are fortunate to have a local processor, looking at things to come. Many of them have gone out of business... Give some thought to processing your own meat. That may be what it is coming to.
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Helped my dad and brother-in-law butcher a hog last year... We waited and waited and waited for a slot to open up at one of the local processors. By the time he decided to do it himself, that hog was 500-600 lbs.

The sheer size made it a full day's work... But it was still just butchering a mammal. Nothing too complicated. We quartered it up and took it my brother-in-law's brother-in-law (LOL) who has a commercial cooler in his business. We let it age and he cut it up for us. Good eating.

I'd like to do it again with one at proper weight... and learn how to preserve it old school in a smokehouse.

Mike
 
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OkieMike said:
Helped my dad and brother-in-law butcher a hog last year... We waited and waited and waited for a slot to open up at one of the local processors. By the time he decided to do it himself, that hog was 500-600 lbs.

The sheer size made it a full day's work... But it was still just butchering a mammal. Nothing too complicated. We quartered it up and took it my brother-in-law's brother-in-law (LOL) who has a commercial cooler in his business. We let it age and he cut it up for us. Good eating.

I'd like to do it again with one at proper weight... and learn how to preserve it old school in a smokehouse.

Mike
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Thanks for the input... You bring out some good points that I have been thinking about. Basically the size of the animal and the time of year. Being I'm just one old guy in Montana and a small hog / piglet butchered when the weather cools off would be two things in my favor. If I wanted more meat, I could just raise some staggered in age so it would not be a big undertaking.
 
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Hobo Hilton said:
Thanks for the input... You bring out some good points that I have been thinking about. Basically the size of the animal and the time of year. Being I'm just one old guy in Montana and a small hog / piglet butchered when the weather cools off would be two things in my favor. If I wanted more meat, I could just raise some staggered in age so it would not be a big undertaking.
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I wish I had picked my grandparents' brains more when they were alive.

The killing and cutting up is the easy part.

We shot the hog instead of sticking it. And we used a tractor to get it over to where we hung it to butcher. So you'll need a way to handle a heavy dead animal... I know that's a "duh" comment. But it does have to be considered. So a good gambrel and chain... Probably some help too. Hog butchering used to be a family/community affair back when people could be relied on to help each other.

We also skinned that hog instead of scalding and scraping it. If you want to scald/scrape the hair off you'll need a vat/cauldron/kettle big enough to fit the whole animal in. You can use a smaller vessel to dip one end, then flip and dip the other end in a pinch, but that's more work/trouble. A good sized kettle was as necessary as an axe and rifle back in the day... The kettle probably filled multiple roles like laundry and soap-making too. A 2' x 6' galvanized stock tank might work... But I don't know how well they handle being heated over a fire.

I don't remember off the top of my head what temperature the water should be... I want to say 140 to 150 was ideal. Not boiling hot though. If it's too hot you can actually set the hair in place instead of loosening it. Research it because I don't remember for sure.

Preservation by smoking is, near as I can tell, basically a lost art. I don't have any experience with it. Might not hurt to bone up on it and make a practice run or 2 before you need to know it for survival.

I'm hoping some of the more practiced and knowledgeable folks might chime in.

Mike
 
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Mr.BR said:
WEF great reset in full swing.
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Another Food Processing Plant Shutters Operations, Adding To Long List Of Closures​

The announcement of the closure pushed up the number of closed US food processing plants over the last year to 100. The list below are plants destroyed, damaged, or impacted by "accidental fires," disease, or other causes (courtesy of The Gateway Pundit):
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#64 on that list is bullshit. A plane crashed there, yes. Production never stopped. I’m sure other reports on that list are false as well.
 
#633
I poked around after my last post...

Looked for "hog scalding kettle." Good Lord, an old cast iron kettle is expensive. You could buy a cheap car for what they go for.

Wound up on a homesteading forum and someone said they use an old bathtub. Duh! I should've thought of that.

So there are options to get a guy by. Or you could just skin 'em out. But during starving times it might be a good thing to utilize every edible bit you can.

Lots of options.

Mike
 
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OkieMike said:
I poked around after my last post...

Looked for "hog scalding kettle." Good Lord, an old cast iron kettle is expensive. You could buy a cheap car for what they go for.

Wound up on a homesteading forum and someone said they use an old bathtub. Duh! I should've thought of that.

So there are options to get a guy by. Or you could just skin 'em out. But during starving times it might be a good thing to utilize every edible bit you can.

Lots of options.

Mike
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Food grade 55 gallon drums work if you don’t have the cast iron kettle. Steam/pressure washers take the work out of it. Fuck scraping hogs.
 
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OkieMike said:
Helped my dad and brother-in-law butcher a hog last year... We waited and waited and waited for a slot to open up at one of the local processors. By the time he decided to do it himself, that hog was 500-600 lbs.

The sheer size made it a full day's work... But it was still just butchering a mammal. Nothing too complicated. We quartered it up and took it my brother-in-law's brother-in-law (LOL) who has a commercial cooler in his business. We let it age and he cut it up for us. Good eating.

I'd like to do it again with one at proper weight... and learn how to preserve it old school in a smokehouse.

Mike
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I need those skills as well. I also would love to have a smokehouse in case we need to go back that
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
I skipped fertilizer in my pasture fields this year and you can tell the difference.

If any is available next year I will have to bite the bullet.
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2018 and 2019 our fertilizer bill was around $2300 plus $75 to rent the buggy, per year, sent off a soil sample for this year was needing a little more Lbs per acre, the bill was now $8500 but no charge for the buggy. We decided to pass. But they did have everything we wanted.
 
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Are any of you checking expiration dates on the items your buying at the store ???
Remember all those ships sitting out in the pacific for months waiting to be unloaded .........
 
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Pre64 said:
Rainfall was actually a little above normal.
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Well it certainly isn't a decreased moisture causing lower yield.

Do you have chicken farms in the area? I talked a customer in texas who fertilizes their hay pastures using chicken manure and scratch from the local chicken farmers. Pricing is cheap for him, and it works well for them.

Hope you can find a solution that is cost effective as well as increases your yields.

Branden
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
I skipped fertilizer in my pasture fields this year and you can tell the difference.

If any is available next year I will have to bite the bullet.
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I said fuck that. I have 2 years to let the land rest and thats what I am doing. Sold most of my heard and only kept enough to last a few years for my consumption. After that I am switching to sheep.
 
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OkieMike said:
I wish I had picked my grandparents' brains more when they were alive.

The killing and cutting up is the easy part.

We shot the hog instead of sticking it. And we used a tractor to get it over to where we hung it to butcher. So you'll need a way to handle a heavy dead animal... I know that's a "duh" comment. But it does have to be considered. So a good gambrel and chain... Probably some help too. Hog butchering used to be a family/community affair back when people could be relied on to help each other.

We also skinned that hog instead of scalding and scraping it. If you want to scald/scrape the hair off you'll need a vat/cauldron/kettle big enough to fit the whole animal in. You can use a smaller vessel to dip one end, then flip and dip the other end in a pinch, but that's more work/trouble. A good sized kettle was as necessary as an axe and rifle back in the day... The kettle probably filled multiple roles like laundry and soap-making too. A 2' x 6' galvanized stock tank might work... But I don't know how well they handle being heated over a fire.

I don't remember off the top of my head what temperature the water should be... I want to say 140 to 150 was ideal. Not boiling hot though. If it's too hot you can actually set the hair in place instead of loosening it. Research it because I don't remember for sure.

Preservation by smoking is, near as I can tell, basically a lost art. I don't have any experience with it. Might not hurt to bone up on it and make a practice run or 2 before you need to know it for survival.

I'm hoping some of the more practiced and knowledgeable folks might chime in.

Mike
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I have heard you can use a pressure washer with heat to do this, however I have never seen it done.
 
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I haven't been following this thread too closely, as of late, but, if you will allow me my "Conspiracy Theory" analogy. In my very small brain, and sometimes I feel it's smooth, too. I see it like this. Cut the fuel supply/make it sooo expensive, cut food growing/processing, make the middle class weak, unable to get any where of "importance", and that gives persons of "importance", more of the so-called safety net. Bigger shit is going on. Prepare accordingly.
(Sorry, I've been drinking:oops:) Mac
 
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Shooter McGavin said:
I have heard you can use a pressure washer with heat to do this, however I have never seen it done.
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I saw suggestions to put burlap bags or towels on the pig and pour hot water over them instead of dipping them.

Might be the thing to do if you don't have anything to dip them in.

Mike
 
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Jefe's Dope said:
As an aside; If you have secure housing, you can always rent out a room or a basement or your garage for extra money/food/medicine in a dire situation.
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Problem with that is when you don't have anywhere to spend the money, said tenant can't pay you, and becomes another mouth to feed.
3 types of people in my life;
Assets
Liabilities
Book of the dead
I like to keep it simple...
 
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BAMAboy18 said:
Problem with that is when you don't have anywhere to spend the money, said tenant can't pay you, and becomes another mouth to feed.
3 types of people in my life;
Assets
Liabilities
Book of the dead
I like to keep it simple...
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There’s many ways to collect “rent” besides cash. Hot wimmins to do house work, cleaning, etc. emphasis on etc.
 
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