Eform 4
Individual/EFT/no SS#
SBR (Sig Spear LT)
Submitted 04/17
Approved 04/18
Less than 24 hours between SUBMITTED/IN PROCESS and APPROVED emails.
Individual/EFT/no SS#
SBR (Sig Spear LT)
Submitted 04/17
Approved 04/18
Less than 24 hours between SUBMITTED/IN PROCESS and APPROVED emails.
I’m really starting to dislike this thread as I sit around waiting.
I want join this thread for can #3 but I can't find a black TBAC fly 9. On 4 wait lists. Silencershop, Capitol, mile high, and hansohn.
Check Bauer Precision, Black Ankle Munitions, and Stockpile Defense, and several others that might have one. Someone is bound to have one in stock. Or, contact Blake at TBAC directly and get one direct.
Trust
Certified 12/10
Approved 4/22
Ultra 7 will be home soon!!
Certified 12/10
Approved 4/22
Ultra 7 will be home soon!!
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Not to make anyone angry or anything but I did an eForm submission at the shop selling the suppressor with EFT fingerprints as an individual last Thursday morning. Got my approval the very next day.
Yeah? Well I bought an NFT of a suppressor, so who is laughing now?
Form 4 single person trust. Four approvals today: one from January, one from March, two from two weeks ago. That represents all of my outstanding eForm 4 submissions.
Obsidian 45
Individual, silencershop kiosk (eforms)
I forget the dates, approval took 3 days.
Personally I see zero reason to keep using trusts these days. They made sense years ago pre-41P, but now IMO are being promoted mostly by lawyers engaged in the business of selling trusts.
Individual, silencershop kiosk (eforms)
I forget the dates, approval took 3 days.
Personally I see zero reason to keep using trusts these days. They made sense years ago pre-41P, but now IMO are being promoted mostly by lawyers engaged in the business of selling trusts.
I bought the Silencer Shop Lifetime Single Shot trust option for $125, which means once I bought 5 cans, it doesn’t cost me anything for the trust. So basically I’m well into getting free Single Shot trusts each time I buy a new can now.
It’s long paid for itself. 
How much are people paying for Gun Trusts? I'm starting to think that my LGS is greatly undercharging for Trusts. I have used it with them, Silencer Shop, and other gun stores.
Mine was $300 once when I got it 5 years ago. I can modify things on it myself as needed with the lawyer for advice or questions as needed.
I paid $130 for my Silencer Shop trust with 3 people on it. Once the ATF gets around to approving trust cans we’ll have 6 total, been waiting since Dec 15 on 3. So we’re like FuhQ it’s paid for itself. Now I’ve just got to find what I want in stock for #7.
I've got 2 pending right now. One since the 23rd. Couple of guys at the store I got my second at said they've seen 22hr and 48hrs.
Paid for itself how? It doesn't cost any more to submit a F1/4 as an individual.I bought the Silencer Shop Lifetime Single Shot trust option for $125, which means once I bought 5 cans, it doesn’t cost me anything for the trust. So basically I’m well into getting free Single Shot trusts each time I buy a new can now.
I've had an active trust for a long time now, since my first can in the early 2000's. Doesn't cost me any money to use it now of course, but I don't, because what's the point? It's just more hassle when submitting forms, and a LOT more wait time these days. I know some people like to cite how they can loan their stuff to other people on the trust, but really, how many of us actually do that with NFA items? I sure don't.
Trusts became popular back when they avoided fingerprinting and LEO approval. Despite all the lawer/salesman talk these days about loaning your stuff and what will your widow do, etc, those were the primary reasons anyone used a trust. Now we don't need approval (only notification) and everyone on the trust has to be fingerprinted anyway; those benefits are gone.
With the Silencer Shop trust they make one for each one of your suppressors, file it with one person as the settlor then you can add whoever you want on the back end negating the need for multiple people to submit photos and fingerprints.
As for loaning them, I put my Dad and brother on mine so any one of us can use any of them. In the end we have ended up swapping around who has what cans which would have been a nightmare if we all weren’t all on all of the trusts.
Paid for itself, as in they cost $25 each for a Single-Shot Trust, per can. And if you buy more than 5 cans, it will no longer cost you an extra $25 per trust from that point on… I have 13 cans…It’s long paid for itself, since I haven’t had to buy a trust in years, they just automatically include it in my paperwork, since I bought the unlimited lifetime.
if you want to play by all the rules, trust with wife avoids the issue of storage and not allowing unauthorized persons to access the items. but ive never heard anyone getting busted for that that wasn't already busted for something else ATF was in their ass for. also, Form 5s are real and if you have 20-30+ items that could be valuable enough to go to heirs, thats a significant savings. and those of us with old trusts, just makes sense to continue on if you didn't need that instant short approval gratification.
i can't imagine having a trust for each individual item. if you are doing that, why not just do individual?
Obama screwed us all
In 2015 I paid $35 for my Trust from my LGS.
Just had a buddy go to the same LGS and get a Trust last year, $35.
Just had a buddy go to the same LGS and get a Trust last year, $35.
You’re done, you certified the Form 4 during the submission process.
Just individual. Supposedly, trusts will eventually get faster, but who knows when.
Good. Maybe they will speed up my trust RE- File of the last 2 cans since they freaking wrongly denied me. At least I have a UPIN now I guess.....
We'll find out soon with my new Magnus-S... I always use a Single-Shot Trust on all mine (single person). I haven't certified yet...Already signed my docs, just waiting on SS to review and get the paperwork ready for filing/certifying. Hopefully they'll email that to me tomorrow so I can go ahead and start the cert process with my dealer.
These are submission dates for the 4 cans I got from Capitol Armory this month. All 4 stamps were approved within 4 business days of their respective submission date. All submitted as individual. I also had a Form 1 for SBR (individual) get approved in 2 business days - submitted 4/2.
Didn't get any batch approvals for the cans, but it didn't matter because it was fast as hell.
Didn't get any batch approvals for the cans, but it didn't matter because it was fast as hell.
Another one, Warlock 22. F4 Silencershop, individual
Submitted Wednesday 4/24, approved Saturday 4/27
Form 4 Individual filed 4/8, approved 4/11.
Form 4 Trust filed 12/15/23, approved 4/29/24
Form 4 Trust filed 12/15/23, approved 4/29/24
My mid January Trust submittal was approved right at 90 days or about 2 weeks ago. Pleasantly surprised. Good luck with yours.
Most recent 2, individuals, certify to approval:My buddy just got approved in 1 week
4 business days.
2 business days.
Not sure what's changed, but I bought a Suppressor at my LGS using the SilencerShop Kiosk ... and had NFA approval in 7 days. Suppressors used to take 6-to-8 months.
ATF trying to make politicians happy so they get "funding". If thousands are getting approved in 2-6 days VS the other thousands still taking 6-8 months, it would lower the avg wait to 3-4 months. I think when Eform was being proposed to legislation the ATF/FBI promised 6? months. 6 months was B.S. and politicians started asking them questions. This is just my guess anyways.
Hard to visualize Congress being that observant and planful ... but I guess it's possible. Most days, they can't find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight.
The American Suppressor Association worked with the ATF to streamline processing. Amazing that the ATF listened, and more amazing that they followed through.
Still can’t believe it. Are pigs flying yet?
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