Suppressors Form 4 wait time

[darkfader]

So I was able to get some info from a source at the FBI Center in WV where the NICS checks are conducted.

I was able to speak to someone there that is fairly high up on the food chain and was told that their NICS checks literally take milliseconds to complete. That is unless of course there are exigent circumstances, for example the huge rush in 2020 when gun sales skyrocketed, etc. But they obviously can’t do a BCG that hasn’t been submitted.

It was about 10am when I inquired about my latest form 4, and I was told it was given a “PROCEED” the day before. At around noon, I had an “APPROVED” email from the NFA office.

This person also said “those fuckers at the ATF like to always try to blame us…”, which made me chuckle.

Just thought I’d share. Take from that what you will. I doubt we’ll ever know the rhyme or reason. Either way, the NFA is an infringement.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

So I was able to get some info from a source at the FBI Center in WV where the NICS checks are conducted.

I was able to speak to someone there that is fairly high up on the food chain and was told that their NICS checks literally take milliseconds to complete. That is unless of course there are exigent circumstances, for example the huge rush in 2020 when gun sales skyrocketed, etc. But they obviously can’t do a BCG that hasn’t been submitted.

It was about 10am when I inquired about my latest form 4, and I was told it was given a “PROCEED” the day before. At around noon, I had an “APPROVED” email from the NFA office.

This person also said “those fuckers at the ATF like to always try to blame us…”, which made me chuckle.

Just thought I’d share. Take from that what you will. I doubt we’ll ever know the rhyme or reason. Either way, the NFA is an infringement.

Our probate judges in Georgia always used to blame the FBI and NICS when they were delaying our licenses. We kept suing them and using discovery to show it was not true. Many lawsuits and a few legislative changes and the delay all but went away. Now no license is needed to carry. Improvements, improvements, bit by bit . . .

Kind of off topic, I know, but another example of fingerpointing when we knew where the blame was.

 

[callen3615]

I finally emailed the liason email account. I’m currently on day 158 e form trust.

 

[clcustom1911]

Our probate judges in Georgia always used to blame the FBI and NICS when they were delaying our licenses. We kept suing them and using discovery to show it was not true. Many lawsuits and a few legislative changes and the delay all but went away. Now no license is needed to carry. Improvements, improvements, bit by bit . . .

Kind of off topic, I know, but another example of fingerpointing when we knew where the blame was.

Fuck the ATF (only after this next suppressor gets approved )

 

[callen3615]

“In process”

 

[07SGT4623]

2 came in today from an individual to my trust
both the old fashion way all paper, passport photos, fingerprints cards and a check(s)

Sent 11/21/2023
Received 7/3/2024
TBAC TakeDown 22 & Q Erector 22

 

[clcustom1911]

2 came in today from an individual to my trust
both the old fashion way all paper, passport photos, fingerprints cards and a check(s)

Sent 11/21/2023
Received 7/3/2024
TBAC TakeDown 22 & Q Erector 22

Thats not horribly horrible. When I did 2 on my trust it was 14 months wait.

 

[91Eunozs]

Dang, I’m kind of jealous of the folks getting theirs back in just weeks, or even days!

Up to 13 now, with two more pending, and the wait times have averaged just under a year via our trust. Fastest was ~4 months.

Last can took ~9 months. What pisses me off about that one is that it was just the first can (Hybrid 46) when I fell for SilencerCo’s BOGO ‘deal’ last year. Just checked again and the “free” Omega 300 still hasn’t been assigned; hell, maybe (likely) it hasn’t even been built by SiCo yet. BOGO can status still showing “In Process” almost a year after purchasing the 46 (just over 11 months ago), and we still have the ATF hoops to jump through yet again after SiCo does their part.

I called SiCo about a month ago, and got a big fat “We’re working on it” non-answer. I know, I know…1st world problems.

Also still have one in jail at Capitol Armory; one of the little 15th Anniversary special edition titanium Sparrow 22 cans. That will be nice on our little 10/22 take downs.

Ordered: 2 Nov 2023
Form 4 mailed: 9 Dec 2023
Check cashed: unknown - sent by Capitol Armory
Approved: Not yet! LoL

 

[Ape_Factory]

Had an individual come back in two days recently.

Single person trust, filed on 3/15, approved today, July 5. That's 112 days for a trust. My last suppressor submitted through a trust took twice as long. Imagine the rush on suppressors if trust wait times get down to just a few days.

This one will be a Radical Defense CS5. Really anxious to get my hands on this one.

 

[FieldGaugeFailure]

ATF website is showing times are growing now. Currently, average wait time (as of writing this post) is 60 days. In May, average wait time was under 40 days.

 

[M_R_Woodard]

Form 4 individual
Scythe ti
Purchased 9/10/23
Approved 7/1/24

 

[Longshot231]

ATF website is showing times are growing now. Currently, average wait time (as of writing this post) is 60 days. In May, average wait time was under 40 days.

Could the reason be that more people have heard about the short wait times and finally decided to take the suppressor plunge?

In other words, the field of buyers got larger which increased the work load on the ATF.

If a new fast food restaurant sells burgers which are better and faster than the competition, it's going to get more customers which could slow down process.

 

[07SGT4623]

Took the day off from work to “receive” my must be signed by an adult shipped via UPS capitol armory suppressors, first time using them


Waiting is the hardest part, 3:27 and still out for delivery, ughhh

 

[mewillis]

I just had mine left on the doorstep, NO SIGNATURE but he did honk twice!!! Bullshit that you pay for a "adult signature required"but never get one........ I did report it to CA but this probably happens 99% of the time.

 

[07SGT4623]

Took the day off from work to “receive” my must be signed by an adult shipped via UPS capitol armory suppressors, first time using them


Waiting is the hardest part, 3:27 and still out for delivery, ughhh

Finally showed up at 6:30 I was waiting on the front porch, will do it again with CA

 

[southernpew]

I understand the appeal of Capital Armory, and I am by no means throwing shade at them.
But instead of having to take a day off work to sign for something, I just swing by my FFL after work and pick it up. Can a wife or another adult sign for your can? If so, that wouldn't be so bad

 

[07SGT4623]

I understand the appeal of Capital Armory, and I am by no means throwing shade at them.
But instead of having to take a day off work to sign for something, I just swing by my FFL after work and pick it up. Can a wife or another adult sign for your can? If so, that wouldn't be so bad

Any adult can sign for it, ironically when it was delivered I didn't sign shit.

I was buying from Silencer Shop for years but this go round they were out of anything i was looking for. CA had what I wanted in stock, so I figured what the heck. Does have to ship to the address on your ID, or I would have had it shipped to work.

If UPS would do what they and their tracking info says it works, but telling me 12 -4 and then delivering at 6:30 was annoying.

Way better than the SilencerCo BOGO fiasco LOL

 

[BAMAboy18]

I just jumped in! I've been putting Surefire muzzle devices on my guns for the last 2 years. I had the money set aside for a 762 RC2, but couldn't find one now. Yesterday I discovered Surefire and B&T came to an agreement to allow B&T to use a compatible mount so I bought one. This is my 1st. My LGS is a SOT but they don't have a kiosk, and they're waiting on their new license. The seller knows all this and is holding it until that comes in, they said any day now.
My question is; can I go ahead and drive 50 miles to a kiosk open an account and set up a one shot trust, as a means to expedite the process? Apparently I bought the last one?? I can't find anymore in stock anywhere I look, this was the only non-Ti on GB.
I paid $902 with tax/shipping for a B&T Rotex 762 W/ SF HUB Adpt SD-762Rotex. So I saved a couple hundred bucks to pay for my stamp!
Any advice is much appreciated!

 

[FieldGaugeFailure]

I just jumped in! I've been putting Surefire muzzle devices on my guns for the last 2 years. I had the money set aside for a 762 RC2, but couldn't find one now. Yesterday I discovered Surefire and B&T came to an agreement to allow B&T to use a compatible mount so I bought one. This is my 1st. My LGS is a SOT but they don't have a kiosk, and they're waiting on their new license. The seller knows all this and is holding it until that comes in, they said any day now.
My question is; can I go ahead and drive 50 miles to a kiosk open an account and set up a one shot trust, as a means to expedite the process? Apparently I bought the last one?? I can't find anymore in stock anywhere I look, this was the only non-Ti on GB.
I paid $902 with tax/shipping for a B&T Rotex 762 W/ SF HUB Adpt SD-762Rotex. So I saved a couple hundred bucks to pay for my stamp!
Any advice is much appreciated!

Can't they form 3 it to a shop in your local area so you don't have to do 100 miles round trip just for a can?

 

[BAMAboy18]

Can't they form 3 it to a shop in your local area so you don't have to do 100 miles round trip just for a can?

Yes, but my thinking was I could do my finger prints/picture on a single shot trust ahead of time with the kiosk, and I wouldn't have to get a CLEO signature.

 

[CBlack]

Form 4 Individual
Certified Form 4 - 7/5
ATF Approve - 20 minutes ago (7/10)
Huxwurx Flow22

 

[Landon4]

I just jumped in! I've been putting Surefire muzzle devices on my guns for the last 2 years. I had the money set aside for a 762 RC2, but couldn't find one now. Yesterday I discovered Surefire and B&T came to an agreement to allow B&T to use a compatible mount so I bought one. This is my 1st. My LGS is a SOT but they don't have a kiosk, and they're waiting on their new license. The seller knows all this and is holding it until that comes in, they said any day now.
My question is; can I go ahead and drive 50 miles to a kiosk open an account and set up a one shot trust, as a means to expedite the process? Apparently I bought the last one?? I can't find anymore in stock anywhere I look, this was the only non-Ti on GB.
I paid $902 with tax/shipping for a B&T Rotex 762 W/ SF HUB Adpt SD-762Rotex. So I saved a couple hundred bucks to pay for my stamp!
Any advice is much appreciated!

Filing as an individual will be faster unless your just wanting to do a trust, my form 4 on the single shot trust thru the kiosk took about 5 months. I believe it was accepted in feb 24 and I got it the week of Father’s Day

 

[Wyfox]

Form 4 individual
Silencer Shop Kiosk
Certified Saturday
Approved Wednesday morning

 

[Astrozombie]

Had a Magnus approved today on a trust. 104 days from certification to approval.

 

[01911]

I’m still waiting. I called yesterday to inquire and was told they have everything and it’s just “waiting to go through the process”.

On the other hand, just a few weeks ago, my dead air wolf man was approved in 46 hours. So wtf.

I called and they said the fbi is the wait. I told them about folks I know who also have suppressors siting in jail for 9 months and suppressors that, last month, got approved in days.
They hung up on me.

 

[mewillis]

because they do NOT give a shjt about this as they will have a job no matter what, it's really the luck of the draw IMO and your prints must be lost in some crazy backlog because the search should be in minutes not months. I feel for you my friend but the ATF sucked way more years ago than now as far as approval times.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

They hung up on me.

Those bastards!

 

[doubloon]

because they do NOT give a shjt about this as they will have a job no matter what, it's really the luck of the draw IMO and your prints must be lost in some crazy backlog because the search should be in minutes not months. I feel for you my friend but the ATF sucked way more years ago than now as far as approval times.

Si. On another forum people are regularly seeing 1-2 week approvals, some as short as 3 days.

Besides the usual snags like you have a name similar to the name of a known felon I tend to think forms submitted months ago before the process was streamlined are just caught in the gristmill and SOL.

in theory "swim lanes" and deduplication of effort ... there are more links within the links but below is the executive summary

https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/atf-suppressor-wait-times/

Bundling simply means combining multiple applications for multiple suppressors into a single FBI NICS background check. But the real credit, Maddox says, goes to a lawyer by the name of Ben Hiller who recently became the ATF’s acting NFA Division chief. To understand the backlog in Form 4 approvals, Maddox says, Hiller waded into the paperwork with the goal of identifying problems in the process.

“He assigned a hundred forms to himself just to work through it. What he found was 80 percent of the work his people were doing was duplicative and unnecessary.”

“The ATF [used to] wait until they had your Form 4 application for three or four months,” says Maddox, “They wouldn’t process the background check when you first sent it because it might be four months before they started processing it, and what if you committed a felony in between? So before [March] you waited in line for that person who essentially was arrested before and [the ATF] had to try to figure out how it ended. … So they changed the process where that guy who has the special order parks over there and the rest of the traffic flows through.”

Are Fast eForms Transfers Here To Stay? - American Suppressor Association

When it comes to suppressors, wait times suck! Since they were first regulated in 1934, delays associated with Form 4 processing have been a reality that the suppressor community has had to live with. For years, the American Suppressor Association has actively advocated for changes to the...

americansuppressorassociation.com

What is “Bundling”?​

This is the term the NFA Division uses to identify an individual or trust with multiple pending applications in queue. These applications are for items purchased at the same time or over a period of time. When bundled, the NFA Division identifies these applications and packages them together so that a single NICS check can be submitted and all pending applications can be approved simultaneously. This reduces the overall number of background checks sent to FBI-NICS and allows NFA examiners to efficiently process multiple applications simultaneously.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Si. On another forum people are regularly seeing 1-2 week approvals, some as short as 3 days.

Besides the usual snags like you have a name similar to the name of a known felon I tend to think forms submitted months ago before the process was streamlined are just caught in the gristmill and SOL.

in theory "swim lanes" and deduplication of effort ... there are more links within the links but below is the executive summary

https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/atf-suppressor-wait-times/

Are Fast eForms Transfers Here To Stay? - American Suppressor Association

When it comes to suppressors, wait times suck! Since they were first regulated in 1934, delays associated with Form 4 processing have been a reality that the suppressor community has had to live with. For years, the American Suppressor Association has actively advocated for changes to the...

americansuppressorassociation.com

Excellent post. Thank you for sharing that.

We should all probably send a thank you note to Ben Hiller.

 

[ruger35]

I filed as an individual on 07/10 @1430. Got my approval for my JL @1300 on 7/12.

 

[kyzim311]

Nyx mod 2 SS trust
Efiled 3/21
Approved 7/12

 

[nso123]

I’m still keeping the average wait time higher for the rest of you. Sitting at 130 days right now on two cans, filed as an individual.

 

[Beefmanne]

I’m still keeping the average wait time higher for the rest of you. Sitting at 130 days right now on two cans, filed as an individual.

 

[callen3615]

I’m still keeping the average wait time higher for the rest of you. Sitting at 130 days right now on two cans, filed as an individual.

I am currently at 173 days on eform trust.

 

[Zebulon]

I am currently at 173 days on eform trust.

98 days here with trust

 

[K80/6.5]

201 here

 

[callen3615]

201 here

Oof

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Just hit 60 days on eform Trust.

 

[frankxtc]

Dead air Wolverine
SS trust
Certified April 24 2024
Approved July 17 2024
No complaints!

 

[Zebulon]

Dead air Wolverine
SS trust
Certified April 24 2024
Approved July 17 2024
No complaints!

Mine was April 10. Still waiting

 

[Chew]

Mine was April 10. Still waiting

April 2nd here,,,,, still waiting......

 

[plt228]

Looks like I’m in the lead. 216 days and counting on 3 cans under a Trust. Almost like the paper days.

 

[Stugots]

Day 83 and counting on a Thunder Beast Ultra 9...

 

[Longshot231]

 

[callen3615]

I reached out to the NICS email account regarding my application. This is the response. I assume that means it is passed the FBI/NICS stage and is in the hands of the ATF?

“Your ATF/NFA application is in process. When an application is completed, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will provide the final determination. Currently, there is no further status information available.“

 

[buyobuyo]

I reached out to the NICS email account regarding my application. This is the response. I assume that means it is passed the FBI/NICS stage and is in the hands of the ATF?

“Your ATF/NFA application is in process. When an application is completed, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will provide the final determination. Currently, there is no further status information available.“

That's just their canned auto response if you have forms in process. I got the exact verbatim response when I emailed asking why my background checks when buying a firearm went from instantaneous a few years ago to sitting on "researching" for upwards of 45 minutes.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Normally videos are a waste of time, with lots of self promotion and a build up "this is gonna be big!" "wait til you hear what we have to tell you!" Not this one. It just dives right in and gives us a bunch of updated and useful information.

Thank you for posting it.

It was a good few minutes of my time to watch it, and that is not usually what I think after a YouTube video.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

It also tells me we need to talk to congress about a legislative change, a mandate like with Title I firearms purchases NICS checks. The FBI has to approve or deny those background checks within three days, or the sale may proceed.

Sounds like a very easy change, simply stealing the language for regular firearms sales and using it for NFA items.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Looks like I’m in the lead. 216 days and counting on 3 cans under a Trust. Almost like the paper days.

Well beyond that here. I'm almost at a year. Next month I will be. I had a bogus denial then go through the process to get a UPIN , in that time also. The second submission for both cans is now at 2 or 3 months. Trust as well

 

[Shootnwrench]

TBAC 338 Ultra Gen 2
SS Trust
Certified 4/15/24
Approved 7/1/2024