The COF says “standing, unsupported…”. This doesn’t look like “standing “ to my eyes. Maybe in a woke world it is. Lol!
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Well its spreading.
Almost a month ago in Pierre,SD a friend of mine shooting the NRL22 match did a similar technique. The MD didnt know about it till way after ( shoots his own match as well as MD simultaneously). His public statement was if he had known....he wouldn't have allowed it.
Fast forward a week later and a different shooter who also attended that Pierre match did this at the Watertown, SD match....View attachment 7694039
HE ASKED THE MATCH DIRECTOR IN WATERTOWN PRIOR TO ATTEMPTING IT. The match director then seeing the rules as they are written....approved it.
And of course having seeing him do it with MD approval....monkey see monkey do. Not that it helped the others to any worthwhile degree over doing it traditionally.
I have no doubt the image spread across FB and inevitably others saw it and decided it would be a great way to make up for their inadequacies in unsupported.
So despite however I feel. The call was made by the MD. And the shooter asked for permission first. He did not bend the rules and beg for forgiveness afterward. So I am not surprised at all that its spreading.
So if people don't like this.....they need to yell at the NRL. They've had almost a entire month to address it. And if shooters don't let the NRL or their individual MD's know. Why should they do anything?
Where in anywhere I typed did I say it was....No matter what, It is NOT standing! Enough said!
Reply wasn't directed at you, but to the picture.Where in anywhere I typed did I say it was....
All I said was there was an origin to the OP's post prior to his experience and a written standard was provided.
The NRL and all the MD knows of this technique.....
If the standard isn't rewritten or a MD doesnt publicly address it....then they are fine with it. And you as a shooter if you wish to continue forward must conform to the MD's stance....good, bad, or indifferent.
According to the written rules, if you can convince a MD or RO that your feet are, in fact on the ground, while shooting prone, then you are standing. I don’t think anyone is arguing that the rule is well written. Just that the technique shown confirms to the letter of the rule. And, as this is a game, the rules (amd not your feelz) are all that matter.Reply wasn't directed at you, but to the picture.
Now to be argumentative, both my feet are on the ground when I shoot prone. Is that also Standing by the rules? Guess there is no such thing as "common sense" any more.
Kinda why I started this thread, to stir up the shit and force NRL management to man up and address the issue. I am waiting....Well its spreading.
Almost a month ago in Pierre,SD a friend of mine shooting the NRL22 match did a similar technique. The MD didnt know about it till way after ( shoots his own match as well as MD simultaneously). His public statement was if he had known....he wouldn't have allowed it.
Fast forward a week later and a different shooter who also attended that Pierre match did this at the Watertown, SD match....View attachment 7694039
HE ASKED THE MATCH DIRECTOR IN WATERTOWN PRIOR TO ATTEMPTING IT. The match director then seeing the rules as they are written....approved it.
And of course having seeing him do it with MD approval....monkey see monkey do. Not that it helped the others to any worthwhile degree over doing it traditionally.
I have no doubt the image spread across FB and inevitably others saw it and decided it would be a great way to make up for their inadequacies in unsupported.
So despite however I feel. The call was made by the MD. And the shooter asked for permission first. He did not bend the rules and beg for forgiveness afterward. So I am not surprised at all that its spreading.
So if people don't like this.....they need to yell at the NRL. They've had almost a entire month to address it. And if shooters don't let the NRL or their individual MD's know. Why should they do anything?
Hey!The simplest fucking solution it to drop unsupported standing stages altogether. I mean, everyone fucking hates this stage except for the one fucker who's been practicing this his whole life just to game this stage anyway.
Why not man up and discuss it with them directly instead of posting on the hide about it? And then making memes about it.. yea definitely sounds like someone who doesn't GAF for sure.Kinda why I started this thread, to stir up the shit and force NRL management to man up and address the issue. I am waiting....
Are they going to say that, yes, we believe that Rice Paddy Prone is truly allowed on a unsupported "standing" stage. Let's see...
I think practicing a marksmanship skill is the very opposite of gaming. And yes, people hate anything that isn't slapping a gamechanger bag onto a prop. Not sure if catering to that is the way to go.The simplest fucking solution it to drop unsupported standing stages altogether. I mean, everyone fucking hates this stage except for the one fucker who's been practicing this his whole life just to game this stage anyway.
I think practicing a marksmanship skill is the very opposite of gaming. And yes, people hate anything that isn't slapping a gamechanger bag onto a prop. Not sure if catering to that is the way to go.
Sports don't have "spirit". They have rules.Its against the spirit of the competition.
Well its spreading.
Almost a month ago in Pierre,SD a friend of mine shooting the NRL22 match did a similar technique. The MD didnt know about it till way after ( shoots his own match as well as MD simultaneously). His public statement was if he had known....he wouldn't have allowed it.
Fast forward a week later and a different shooter who also attended that Pierre match did this at the Watertown, SD match....View attachment 7694039
HE ASKED THE MATCH DIRECTOR IN WATERTOWN PRIOR TO ATTEMPTING IT. The match director then seeing the rules as they are written....approved it.
And of course having seeing him do it with MD approval....monkey see monkey do. Not that it helped the others to any worthwhile degree over doing it traditionally.
I have no doubt the image spread across FB and inevitably others saw it and decided it would be a great way to make up for their inadequacies in unsupported.
So despite however I feel. The call was made by the MD. And the shooter asked for permission first. He did not bend the rules and beg for forgiveness afterward. So I am not surprised at all that its spreading.
So if people don't like this.....they need to yell at the NRL. They've had almost a entire month to address it. And if shooters don't let the NRL or their individual MD's know. Why should they do anything?
PRS is closer to a kid’s game than a real sport at this point. Especially local matches. That’s the source of frustration.Sports don't have "spirit". They have rules.
Kids games have "spirit"
To receive a "fuck off" in reply?We should all know the difference between standing and squatting is. I don’t give a crap about gaming. If I was there I’d have called them out on it.
Mate, when I compete in competition, I do it wanting to know that everyone else is doing it in a sportsmanlike way aswell. When someone games, cheats, does somethings that against the intent and spirit of the rules, it may be technically legal perhaps, but that one person will only end up doing themselves a disservice in the long run. When I win a comp, I want to do it within the rules and in a way that I know I havent done something wrong. To win via gaming a stage, etc is wrong and unsportsman like behaviour. You can call me a kid, whatever, but you aint the sorta person I want to compete with.To receive a "fuck off" in reply?
LOL
Because if you are not sure the MD is going to give you a zero because you know the tactic employed is gonna burn you.....you ask. Its not Mickey Mouse. Its common sense and tactically smart if you actually value your points you've earned and don't wish to reshoot, get a zero, or deal with bullshit remarks calling your act cheating when you got the go ahead in the first place.Why should someone ask "permission" to do something that is within the rules?
What kind of mickey mouse bullshit is that?
Mate, when I compete in competition, I do it wanting to know that everyone else is doing it in a sportsmanlike way aswell. When someone games, cheats, does somethings that against the intent and spirit of the rules, it may be technically legal perhaps, but that one person will only end up doing themselves a disservice in the long run. When I win a comp, I want to do it within the rules and in a way that I know I havent done something wrong. To win via gaming a stage, etc is wrong and unsportsman like behaviour. You can call me a kid, whatever, but you aint the sorta person I want to compete with.
Maybe the rules need to be clearer, but I also dont think the NRL22 rules commitee would have thought squatting would be considered a standing position.
the NRL didn't change or publicly acknowledge anything about it that I ever saw. They just left it to the MD's
The nrl22 doesn’t dictate what standing is, common sense does that. 2 feet on the ground is a stipulation to standing since it’s possible to stand on one leg.Opinions about what's within the "spirit" or "intent" don't matter. Only matters what the rulebook says or doesn't say.
If NRL says standing is having two feet on the ground, all bets are off.
Ass on the ground wile standing? Congratulations Sir, you got the first place in "Gaming" now.All these people thinking they are clever by squatting with two feet on the ground and "gaming the system ".
Yet haven't worked out you can very comfortably sit with both feet on the ground and be far more stable
@308pirate you sound like the type that has never shot a PRS, NRL, or NRL22
In the few NRL22 matches I've shot there haven't been any super gear gamers, just bag-bipod-sling-rifle but NRL22X that's a different story. I actually thought tripods weren't allowed in standard NRL22.You can't talk "common sense" to a cheater
At my first and only NRL22 match a week ago, shooters were using tripods. Actually one PRS shooter in my squad shooting from the gate had the front of the rifle supported with plate and bag and the rear with a tripod.
I really want to go there for fun but it looks like it isn't much fun to watch cheaters (sorry forgot they are gamers now).
These cheaters get called out almost always by someone and then starts a big fight with lots of bad words yelling at each other.
This I think is a very bad example to the young shooters.
In that we agreeWhat gaming should be is creatively approaching a stage that is designed to have some open ended solution. Giving the shooter a choice in how to move, which targets to engage in which order, or which gear is beneficial to carry or not carry in a stage. Part of that is on the MD to design into stages as well.
That's the organization's job, not the MD's job. And they are failing miserably.But asking an MD who is likely designing the COF in their spare time after their 9-5 is done and kids are in bed to write every stage as if they were a lawyer is not realistic.
In the few NRL22 matches I've shot there haven't been any super gear gamers, just bag-bipod-sling-rifle but NRL22X that's a different story. I actually thought tripods weren't allowed in standard NRL22.
I'm lenient about the down rod since it's all 1/4", but the hanger, that's a miss I DGAF what the rule book doesn't say. Anyone who would try that and try to defend it, damn.These are the same people that shot the top part of the kyl rack (where the post meets the pipe) instead of the target.
Supposedly we had that happen. Nobody defended it. As the shooter was not identified. I'm skeptical it even happened as it would be fairly easy to catch with a steep penalty if caught. But Atlas (local to us) made a plate that blocks the crossbar. It limits the full rotation but does adequately keep the issue from happening.I'm lenient about the down rod since it's all 1/4", but the hanger, that's a miss I DGAF what the rule book doesn't say. Anyone who would try that and try to defend it, damn.
Yes it was an NRL22 match. The MD told us shooters in the morning that they switched to this format. So now you're telling me NRL22 rules do only apply to the 5 standardized stages and all other stages are open to whatever the shooter likes? Great, good luck finding shooters that are interested in this kind of "gaming".Tripods are illegal in NRL22.
But match directors can design bonus stages and add them on top of the 5 standardized stages. The bonus stages have zero effect on NRL22 points. But do effect who wins "the day".
And since you said they shot off a gate....I'd assume its a bonus stage since a gate is not one of the standardized barricades. Heck, was it even an actual NRL22 match? Or NRL22-like?
We had a bonus stage two years ago were the MD supplied a tripod. The tripod was an opportunity for people to try tripod shooting. It was not a means to game a portion. It WAS the barricade in essence.
As far as NRL concerned....the bonus stages don't even exist. They control no part of them. Each MD comes up with his own bonus stages.Yes it was an NRL22 match. The MD told us shooters in the morning that they switched to this format. So now you're telling me NRL22 rules do only apply to the 5 standardized stages and all other stages are open to whatever the shooter likes? Great, good luck finding shooters that are interested in this kind of "gaming".
Brings up a question, how can it be called a match when the shooters seem to make up the rules?
Let's call it a shooting event then and don't count any hits / points. Give the trophy's to the best "gamer".