Government Orders Names of Gunscope App Users Turned Over

[Centuriator]

And then there is this...

Exclusive: Feds Demand Apple And Google Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App

Apple and Google have been ordered by the U. S. government to hand over names, phone numbers and IP addresses of thousands of gun scope owners. It's an unprecedented move by the U.S. government in asking Silicon Valley to support a weapons export investigation.

www.forbes.com

 

[Maggot]

Damn, now theyll know about all those PVS 14's I shipped to Iran....

 

[woogie_man]

That's fucked up

 

[FS1]

Damn, now theyll know about all those PVS 14's I shipped to Iran....

No but they may now want to find out what the inside of you ass looks like.

Not an intelligent joke.

 

[Centuriator]

No but they may now want to find out what the inside of you ass looks like.

Not an intelligent joke.

The government has spent millions upon millions exploring and researching Uranus.

 

[lawofsavage]

From the article: " ICE has repeatedly intercepted illegal shipments of the scope, which is controlled under the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR), according to the government court filing. They included shipments to Canada, the Netherlands and Hong Kong where the necessary licenses hadn't been obtained."

So, the request could not have been limited to the those downloads being used in the countries where the scopes are suspected of being illegally imported? A 5 year old could see the stated reason is a pretext and it's honestly a little sad that is the best excuse they think of given all the atty's that probably worked on this unless the goal is to signal is we don't care about your rights or the law, we will do what we want because we can.

 

[Mwalex]

Well, it looks like gun owners are being pushed a little harder and a little farther everyday.

 

[308pirate]

This is the problem with centralized app distribution.

Fundamentally, this is the problem with using software traceable to you to drive your fire solution or anything else to do with firearms.

Maybe why I rely on no apps for my firing solutions.

 

[QuickNDirty]

This is the problem with centralized app distribution.

Fundamentally, this is the problem with using software traceable to you to drive your fire solution or anything else to do with firearms.

Maybe why I rely on no apps for my firing solutions.

I finally bit the bullet and wrote one myself.

 

[308pirate]

I finally bit the bullet and wrote one myself.

If you can distribute for phone download in a private way, that would be tits

 

[W54/XM-388]

Also it lets the government force the App makers to possibly make some "changes" to their app that will automatically update without you even knowing about it and then......

 

[W54/XM-388]

You'll notice even on the PC they are trying to do away with simple installed programs that you can get somewhere like on a CD and install on any not network connected computer. Now Microsoft & Apple are trying to push everything into "cloud connected" "apps" because apparently apps sounds way cooler than applications or programs. Where everything is "updated" automatically in the background and "Telemetry" is sent continuously for "product improvement".

 

[QuickNDirty]

You'll notice even on the PC they are trying to do away with simple installed programs that you can get somewhere like on a CD and install on any not network connected computer. Now Microsoft & Apple are trying to push everything into "cloud connected" "apps" because apparently apps sounds way cooler than applications or programs. Where everything is "updated" automatically in the background and "Telemetry" is sent continuously for "product improvement".

Richard Stallman was right all along!

 

[Spblademaker]

So is this a test push to ban private sale of nv/thermal scopes? Or do we wait for the next “mass shooting” where the shooter just happened to be using that type of scope?

 

[Longshot231]

There is something to be said for determining a firing solution the old fashioned way. Well, maybe with the help of a calculator or spreadsheet.

BTW, I don't trust cloud and have never used it.

 

[Mwalex]

So is this a test push to ban private sale of nv/thermal scopes? Or do we wait for the next “mass shooting” where the shooter just happened to be using that type of scope?

It will be interesting to see if there is a "mass" shooting in the near future where NV is used.

 

[10ring'r]

It will be interesting to see if there is a "mass" shooting in the near future where NV is used.

IF this does happen (which I do hope it does NOT happen), we will know, that this is from someone's (not mentioning any names or groups) playbook. Mac

 

[thejeep]

The government has spent millions upon millions exploring and researching Uranus.

Voyager 2!!

 

[Lowlight]

Ballistic Apps are next LOL

 

[bigdaddydmd]

Ballistic Apps are next LOL

As much as I want to hope you are wrong; I worry that you are correct.

 

[Spblademaker]

Ballistic Apps are next LOL

You’re just trying to start a panic-buy run on Sniper’s Hide Impact Data Books. ?

 

[The King]

Next? Don’t you mean “currently collected and constantly updated, complete with live gps tracking of all users” ?

Ballistic Apps are next LOL

 

[Tchitcherine]

This was linked from article at OPs link:

The Taliban Have Night Vision Gear, But …

Given the lack of readily available evidence, this author has gathered over 25 pictures of Taliban night vision equipment; some of these pictures were exclusively obtained from an Afghan military intelligence source.

www.trackingterrorism.org

seems to attempt to downplay the NV & thermal capabilities the Taliban have. But seriously, preventing exports of small ITAR items seems like a difficult problem.

 

[Graywolf.260]

BTW, I don't trust cloud and have never used it.
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[308pirate]

Ballistic Apps are next LOL

The only reason much of the technology and skills we have and use are not under attack is because most antis either don't understand what we have or are too busy with other targets at the moment.

Sooner or later the capability to deliver accurate fire at what the untrained consider incredible distances is going to be skylined and targeted.

 

[The King]

It’s not even ITAR exports IMHO.

Night vision isn’t a US exclusive product, and crappy versions are a dime a dozen overseas.

I’m just wondering why anyone would want the Taliban to NOT use ATN products.

Seems like a solid plan to have your enemy constantly missing the target or shooting at you with a scopeless rifle in no time.

This was linked from article at OPs link:

The Taliban Have Night Vision Gear, But …

Given the lack of readily available evidence, this author has gathered over 25 pictures of Taliban night vision equipment; some of these pictures were exclusively obtained from an Afghan military intelligence source.

www.trackingterrorism.org

seems to attempt to downplay the NV & thermal capabilities the Taliban have. But seriously, preventing exports of small ITAR items seems like a difficult problem.

 

[Tchitcherine]

LOL point taken!

 

[Rmkeyjr]

Well, it looks like gun owners are being pushed a little harder and a little farther everyday.

Too hard! All celebrities and most politicians have no idea at all as to the meaning of something as simple as the 2nd amendment? They do. Red flag is limited confiscation to be followed by all AR-15 types. It will be simple so they think.

 

[Nik H]

Buy your NV now...won't be able to soon enough

 

[Alphatreedog]

And everybody laughs at my mildot master . Seriously , we are at endgame . I saw an article on MSN feed that said the FCC is talking with internet providers and cell phone providers to regulate "Gun Speak " . They stated that First Amendment Rights do not supercede terms of use agreements . Yeah lets2 just ignore the fact that my 1st and 4th Amendment rights are being violated by illegal taps , aka unreasonable , illegal search . Dont look behind the curtain at the laws that we're violating . Lets talk about you . If they start denying services due ro this shit gun stores and manufacturers will go out of business in the blink of an eye .

 

[AIAW]

So a crate of shitty Chinese-made ATN optics with a surely lax logistics chain made it onto the battlefield and the powers that be immediately point fingers at the American public? Riigghhht...

 

[Kir]

My name...my name...my name... Jose Jimenez... Remember when that was NOT a racist joke? Oh, your prob not old enuff...never mind.

 

[Alphatreedog]

So a crate of shitty Chinese-made ATN optics with a surely lax logistics chain made it onto the battlefield and the powers that be immediately point fingers at the American public? Riigghhht...

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Just had that conversation qith a buddy . I would not be aurpriaed if %75 of the shit purchased Amazon was not Chinese bootleg . I remember having to watch your ass purchasing nikon lenses because of Chicom knock offs . I you neede warranty on a expwnsive lense you were fucked .

 

[SilentStalkr]

Buy your NV now...won't be able to soon enough

The poors need money!

 

[Steel+Killer]

We design/develop shit over here then send it off to China to be mass produced for cheap it gets sent back over here by the container load and then put ITAR restrictions on it not leavening the country and somebody in our government actually thought all players involved were going to actually follow the rules........lol ha ha Man you can’t make this shit up if you tried!

 

[clcustom1911]

This is the problem with centralized app distribution.

Fundamentally, this is the problem with using software traceable to you to drive your fire solution or anything else to do with firearms.

Maybe why I rely on no apps for my firing solutions.

Kestrel 4500nv without any connectivity ?

 

[marc.]

All this for ATN products?? Seems like it would be much like exporting a toy... are these super high tech scopes or something?

 

[AIAW]

All this for ATN products?? Seems like it would be much like exporting a toy... are these super high tech scopes or something?

Toys for the most part, some of them. They fill a budget niche...

That being said, if push came to shove I’d rather have a toy than nothing I suppose.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I’m still waiting on someone to donate some to me!

 

[marc.]

Toys for the most part, some of them. They fill a budget niche...

That being said, if push came to shove I’d rather have a toy than nothing I suppose.

I watched the promo video thinking that they sounded awesome.. turns out it's just a cell phone in the shape of a scope ?

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Yup. Next it'll be ballistics apps and such.

We live in weird times....never saw this coming eh?

VooDoo

 

[AIAW]

You can look at it this way though also... this is only public because it required a court-order to make it happen. There are other three-letter agencies that do not have to take such publicized routes to gather intel... they have had that data on-hand for ages. Perhaps not through a mobile device purchase, but believe me - they know well enough beyond such a simple “transaction”.

It’s all in how Uncle Sam decides to use that data in the end.

 

[W54/XM-388]

You can look at it this way though also... this is only public because it required a court-order to make it happen. There are other three-letter agencies that do not have to take such publicized routes to gather intel... they have had that data on-hand for ages. Perhaps not through a mobile device purchase, but believe me - they know well enough beyond such a simple “transaction”.

It’s all in how Uncle Sam decides to use that data in the end.

It's kind of how you tell who are actually the "adults" in said government and who are the little kids wanting more toys and power.
The real "adults" that actually have their hands in everything don't need to bother with court orders and getting into civil liberties BS and stuff. They are also Not going to be the ones waxing all vocal about needing to get rid of encryption.

The ones who are the true shadow masters are happy for everybody to be totally sure they have complete privacy, complete civil rights and all their stuff is fully encrypted & beyond scrutiny. Because the more you feel safe and secure the easier their jobs become.

 

[Longshot231]

Sort of related...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Sort of related...

Apparently judges don't mind much being traitors to the constitution.
Pretty much just a prettied up version of rubber hose code breaking.

Judges have pretty much gone full on insane drunk with power with their stupid whole "holding people till they do what they say without any charges" business. Somehow I don't remember in the constitution it saying our judges automatically inherited all these oppression powers from our former English masters....

 

[Longshot231]

Apparently judges don't mind much being traitors to the constitution.
Pretty much just a prettied up version of rubber hose code breaking.

Judges have pretty much gone full on insane drunk with power with their stupid whole "holding people till they do what they say without any charges" business. Somehow I don't remember in the constitution it saying our judges automatically inherited all these oppression powers from our former English masters....

Q: Do you know what you call a person who graduated from law school?

A: An attorney.

Q: Do you know what you call a person who graduated at the very bottom of his class in law school?

A: Your Honor.

 

[Longshot231]