Greater Idaho resolution passes

[Soulezoo]

<------ Native of Coos County. Hell, I'd be happy if it even went with the southern counties into the state of Jefferson. Unfortunately I don't ever see Salem letting the Eastern side go and it damn sure wont let the Coast side split due to tourism revenue. (logging and fishing went away a long time ago.) The Western side (coasties) are a breed all their own and don't really have anyplace to go, even if it is a pipe dream.

Oh, coasties certainly do dream of pipes. You may call them bongs.

 

[Makinchips208]

Coos bay is a deep water port, they export wood products ( chips and logs)

Lewiston is a sea port, furthest inland seaport on the west coast in fact. Of course that requires navigation of the Columbia River and part of the Snake River to make it to the ocean.

One of the barges departing heading down river.

 

[Govt Mule]

Gotta figure out how to keep the good Pinot's in this transfer.... Williamette Valley has the best Pinot Nior's in the world.

 

[lariat]

Ringleader of Oregon's bid to secede reveals why they want to leave

The leader of a group of Oregonians who are determined to leave the state has revealed why they want to escape the liberal policies by joining Idaho.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[acpchuck]

Coos Bay in Coos County is a deep water port. It was the largest lumber exporting port in the US back in the mid 1900's. I have worked on the US Army Corps of Engineer dredges (namely the Yaquina) back in the 90's that kept the port/channel open. As I understand it the rail system that used to support the port is in severe disrepair.

For the last 2 to 3 years, the Port has been trying to get Federal money to develop infrastructure to receive cargo containers. Money has been received to improve the rail line, primarily bridges, that runs from Coos Bay to Eugene. Note the rail line between Coos Bay and Coquille is basically abandoned as the track looks like a roller coaster in some places. There is work going on now to make repairs on, and extend the north jetty.

Bridges are old, this one in Coos Bay was built in 1914 and needs a lot of work but the swing span still works. I have seen a train on this bridge before with 2 locomotives and 4 rail cars loaded with lumber. Looked like it was going 5 mph at most. I fish under this bridge sometimes and if I was there with a train overhead, I would move my boat away from the bridge. Wonder if those on the train wear life jackets when on the bridge.

I 'borrowed' the picture from Basin Tackle Online.

 

[Aftermath]

Sorry to smack you down there but in my opinion, and trust me there's plenty of otherwise qualified opinions, but the South didn't recede (or at least attempt to) solely because they wanted to keep their slaves and threw a hissy fit. Remember the Emancipation Proclamation which actually freed slaves (in the Confederate States at least) didn't come to be until 1863 after the horrific Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg in 1862 as the country was grappling with previously unseen causalities inflicted on both sides of the conflict during a single day and garnering tremendous media coverage.

No sir- lots of folks would point to the election of 1860 and the southern states having their 'proverbial' fill of not feeling like they were being represented in the elections and seemed to agree that if the federal government wouldn't respect their state's rights and provide proper representation then they were 'opting' out of this Great American Experiment. Of course there's a whole lot that occurred 10-20 years leading up to it but all that to say- while they wanted to keep their slaves as their economy was dependent on them at the time- they likely started their fight due to states's rights more than just slavery. Going back to the Emancipation Proclamation- remember that was in 1863 and only encompassed the 'then' Confederate states, and seeing that they were at a time of war- Lincoln didn't exactly have much 'pull' with the regions his executive order was directed to up until Gen Sherman did his "thing" marching south afterwards. Northern/Union slaves- whelp they were still shit out of luck even in 1863.

-LD

Correct.
Add that the southern states were being taxed for canals and rails being built in the north for the mills...steel mills, textile mills...
The southern farmers were still having to pay to have their crops wagoned to the river to be loaded on a barge (there was a fee to use the barge) and then be transferred to a ship (another fee) to be taken to the mills in the north. Of course, there was a fee to get that load off the ship to the mills, too.
The southern states were wanting better rails, roads and canals to make transportation of their goods more reliable and less costly, using the monies they were paying already for the canals and rails they could not use.

In 1776, there was a great war fought over being taxed without benefit. US Revolutionary war.

In 1861, there was a great war fought over being taxed without benefit..a failed revolution referred to as a civil war. The spin that this war was fought to be finally rid of slavery (it was on its way out, already) is one of the best spin doctor moves ever. The Emancipation Proclamation was a psyop designed to foment rebellion amongst the slaves. The slave owners were not all evil. They had a vested interest in keeping their workforce healthy enough to work. Most treated their slaves "decently" as in fed, bathed, warm and ALIVE. Sure...sorta like the draft horse. The southern farmers were just some of the last in the world to use slaves en masse and so were like the kid that got the last piece of cake. He ate all of the cake. They were to be blamed.

There are slaves being used to this day.

Now, do not get me wrong. I am very much against slavery of all sorts. Most of us are little more than tax slaves now, paying taxes without benefit.

The USA is overdue a great war being fought over being taxed without benefit. Maybe we can spin it be rid of the woke bullshit going on.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Correct.
Add that the southern states were being taxed for canals and rails being built in the north for the mills...steel mills, textile mills...
The southern farmers were still having to pay to have their crops wagoned to the river to be loaded on a barge (there was a fee to use the barge) and then be transferred to a ship (another fee) to be taken to the mills in the north. Of course, there was a fee to get that load off the ship to the mills, too.
The southern states were wanting better rails, roads and canals to make transportation of their goods more reliable and less costly, using the monies they were paying already for the canals and rails they could not use.

In 1776, there was a great war fought over being taxed without benefit. US Revolutionary war.

In 1861, there was a great war fought over being taxed without benefit..a failed revolution referred to as a civil war. The spin that this war was fought to be finally rid of slavery (it was on its way out, already) is one of the best spin doctor moves ever. The Emancipation Proclamation was a psyop designed to foment rebellion amongst the slaves. The slave owners were not all evil. They had a vested interest in keeping their workforce healthy enough to work. Most treated their slaves "decently" as in fed, bathed, warm and ALIVE. Sure...sorta like the draft horse. The southern farmers were just some of the last in the world to use slaves en masse and so were like the kid that got the last piece of cake. He ate all of the cake. They were to be blamed.

There are slaves being used to this day.

Now, do not get me wrong. I am very much against slavery of all sorts. Most of us are little more than tax slaves now, paying taxes without benefit.

The USA is overdue a great war being fought over being taxed without benefit. Maybe we can spin it be rid of the woke bullshit going on.

I pray that you're wrong in your last statements but fear that you may be correct at the same time...

-LD