Guy shot himself in the leg at the range we were at today

[forrestgump01]

In all seriousness, glad dude appears to be OK and no one else was harmed...

It also is why I wear my fav turtleneck to the range...no hot brass down the shirt for me...no sir...

Any one that actually dresses like this , SHOULD be shot , preferably in the nuts .

 

[MadDuner]

I’ve worked at repeatedly telling my shooting partners that if they get brass down anything anywhere - put the gun down before doing anything else. And I am staying as far away from public ranges as possible now that so many inexperienced people are there attempting to gain some.

 

[MadDuner]

Any one that actually dresses like this , SHOULD be shot , preferably in the nuts .

Nuts?
You may be assuming too much.

 

[Samuel Whittemore]

For that very reaosn I stay out of the city ranges... too many dumb fuck RAMBO WANNA-BES. About the 3rd time I saw some idiot sweep the barrel wrong I packed and left.

Now I hit the ranges 15 miles out. PITA the drive too but that's the point. Keeps SOME of the riff raff away. It's also where LE trains so you can bet it's a lot more respectful, safe and intelligent. Let the rats have their inner city cages.

I feel for the workers tho... Like at LAX Range? OMG... you couldn't pay me enough to work there.

 

[powdahound76]

Truth is, someone has to be the leader if shooting in a group.

Plan before. Discuss. If you are the guy/gal, then do it Make it clear.

I cannot reiterate enough the need to spend the $ on an IFAK and some education.
We spend a lot on guns, ammo, classes to be prepared to save a life.
Whats $100 to have a kit to do it? Thats all it costs to have a basic kit.
And classes arent crazy pricey.
Find a Stop the Bleed class. They should be free. Its like bystander CPR for Trauma.

Number 1 cause of death in trauma is bleeding out.

More people are saved each year from cardiac arrest due to bystander CPR being administered quickly until EMS arrives than any other reason.

I teach the Stob the Bleed class. For free. And CPR.

Anyone between Pueblo to Ft Collins I am happy to work with you to do a class.
100% free.
Going to be working with a local range and a local shop to do more of this as we settle into kids back in school.

 

[Pbgt]

Last week at my private outdoor range. evening before class, another instructor comes by to see if I need any help on set up...We bs for a few min, he gets stung by a wasp in the forehead, went from joking to fighting for his life in under 10 minutes. No history of any reaction to stings, ex mil guy in good shape and healthy. The sting induced a heart attack. The first responders were there in (8) min, eppy pin administered in (3) minutes...all the while the vitals crashed. They called the life flight, but was cancelled cause the ambulance beat them to site. He spent a night in the hospital and has recovered fine. This is why I have a lit heli-pad and always have med kits on hand..ya just never know.

 

[MadDuner]

Stop the Bleed classes are a good investment of anyone’s time. Everybody that shoots should at a minimum take the class, and an IFAK should be part of your shooting gear.

 

[DuneBoer]

I went to a different department and had had to qual on all my new stuff there were 2 of us. The other officer was a chick. Of course everyone wanted to see if the new guys could shoot. So there were about 9 Guys there. It was about 100 degrees out. I went from an AR 15 to a fucking Ruger mini 14. While laying prone my neighbors weapon ejected some hot brass under my collar and proceeded to burn. While laying there, I grounded my weapon and adjusted my collar where it burned me on the back too. It wasn't my first Shell Hicky. But damn that hurt! I told the female officer she gave me a hicky and my wife would be pissed. They became friends later.

 

[OldSalty2]

This is also why I dislike all those pictures of females with very little clothing holding weapons (often inexplicably covered with dirt on just their skin but not on the clothes or weapons).

They pull the trigger and see where hot brass lands and it won't be fun.

*Whispers softly in @W54/XM-388's ear...can I hold your gun*

@W54/XM-388 - "Hell no put some gosh damn clothes on"

 

[Deleted member 10043]

We shut down new membership at our local range recently.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Pistol.

Pistol brass?
Hell that ain't even hot!
Have your mean assed uncle catch a spent 270 fresh out of a BAR and slap that molten bitch on your bare arm. I wore a perfect imprint of that incident for a month. I did NOT accidently fire again.
I did calmly make the rifle safe, get up and fist drill him in the chest.
I was 16.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I don't know if it's me.. .but for some reason, Hot Brass never makes me flinch or go nuts. And I have plenty of hot brass hit me.

I remember this one time... @armorpl8chikn and I were on a stage and he was on the left of an excavator blade and I was on the right. He had the PIG that day that chucked brass directly at 3:00 and at warp speed.... Good Times!!!!

The funny thing, is that I was calling his hits and misses.... "Damn! IMPACT".... "SHIT! IMPACT" ..... "OWWW!!!! MISS! 11:00 .3Mil"....

LOL....

Good times right there!
I remember trying to shoot and saying: "shit...sorry man"..."shit....sorry dude" I'm gonna fix that when I get home......never did fix it.

 

[MarinePMI]

Those two guys (Marines) need to see about hitting the gym. Easy to tell they are a tad soft.

Wow! That's when the Hodge twins were really young...

 

[pmclaine]

Pistol brass?
Hell that ain't even hot!
Have your mean assed uncle catch a spent 270 fresh out of a BAR and slap that molten bitch on your bare arm. I wore a perfect imprint of that incident for a month. I did NOT accidently fire again.
I did calmly make the rifle safe, get up and fist drill him in the chest.
I was 16.

Rolled onto a hot Austrian 30-06 while wearing shorts.

Inner left thigh just above my knee.

I will never wear shorts to the range again.

Some lesson only need be taught once.

 

[powdahound76]

*Whispers softly in @W54/XM-388's ear...can I hold your gun*

@W54/XM-388 - "Hell no put some gosh damn clothes on"

I am probably in small group where that isnt attractive.

I like redneck gals in tanktops and cut off britches.
Just not the fake posed ones such as that.
Mostly I prefer just normal jeans and a shirt. Tshirt, flannel, or hoody is fine.

A cute gal all dirty from gigging frogs with a grin and a cold beer would make me stutter and knees all weak though.

 

[pmclaine]

Truth is, someone has to be the leader if shooting in a group.

Plan before. Discuss. If you are the guy/gal, then do it Make it clear.

I cannot reiterate enough the need to spend the $ on an IFAK and some education.
We spend a lot on guns, ammo, classes to be prepared to save a life.
Whats $100 to have a kit to do it? Thats all it costs to have a basic kit.
And classes arent crazy pricey.
Find a Stop the Bleed class. They should be free. Its like bystander CPR for Trauma.

Number 1 cause of death in trauma is bleeding out.

More people are saved each year from cardiac arrest due to bystander CPR being administered quickly until EMS arrives than any other reason.

I teach the Stob the Bleed class. For free. And CPR.

Anyone between Pueblo to Ft Collins I am happy to work with you to do a class.
100% free.
Going to be working with a local range and a local shop to do more of this as we settle into kids back in school.

Thinking of taking this class at some point this year.

Bullets and Bandages I

This course teaches students how to keep themselves and their team members alive and fighting in critical injury situations. Students will master basic lifesaving emergency medical skills using equipment available under field conditions. Training scenarios presented also include basic weapon...

www.sigsaueracademy.com

Any professional critique of the limited syllabus they outline......

 

[powdahound76]

@pmclaine - will look that over shortly snd get back to you.

Also, if you can find a STB class, its an hour and is quite useful as a stopgap until you can get more training if you see fit.

Just STB and a decent kit (Like you have and we have talked about) will save a life though.

Mass General should have a class.

If not, let me know. Being on the network, I can look up iNstructors near you. Perhaps some of your work guys would like one? All of you should have it.

 

[MarinePMI]

"Stop the bleeding, start the breathing, treat for shock"...in that order. Pretty basic stuff, pounded into every Marine's brain housing group for 11-13 weeks.

 

[powdahound76]

@pmclaine - i edited my post. Take a look

 

[W54/XM-388]

last time I was enjoying a Beltfed 308 at a MG shoot, this nice case landed on my inner arm, inbetween the skin and the stock as I was holding it.
That left a mark that lasted quite a few months.

 

[DCAN]

I spent about 20 years on ranges teaching (trying to)new LE recruits. I should write a book. Guns flying through the air and hitting the targets, turning around with the pistol leveled at the other students, ND's into the ground, thumb crossed over behind the slide. The first week or so was great fun. Thankfully there was only one self inflicted GSW. A somewhat large gal tried to reholster with her finger still in the guard. Since her butt cheek stuck out way further than the holster.....well at least it was only a flesh wound.
Now that I stop and think about it, I should have been buying lottery tickets!

 

[lariat]

Not to be a devil's advocate, but can you see what the bullet hit in their leg or whatever was shot? Can you see the artery that was severed and just not bleeding outside the leg. Did you know the thigh can hold 1500mL of blood before showing any kind of swelling? Use of a TQ has saved numerous lives downrange. Did you know we can save limbs now that have had a TQ on for over 14hrs.

Unless you can see the bleed, use a TQ. Period.

Ask me how I know . Doc

This. The biggest problem with internal injuries is that you can’t see the full range of damage and have to go off of the evidence at hand and anatomy. Don’t get caught in the trap of thinking they look fine when they may be in the initial stages of compensated shock. If they start to progress further along the shock spectrum things get way more difficult.

Compartment syndrome and potentially nerve damage is a small price to pay for treating injuries that may or may not be there. You cannot see them until the patient gets to the hospital. And as Doc indicated there are procedures and treatments in place for this. I’m not going to lose sleep over a tq that was applied appropriately but was later found to be not needed.

Anticoagulants and OTC drugs with the same effect only make it worse and you don’t know who is taking what.

 

[pmclaine]

@pmclaine - will look that over shortly snd get back to you.

Also, if you can find a STB class, its an hour and is quite useful as a stopgap until you can get more training if you see fit.

Just STB and a decent kit (Like you have and we have talked about) will save a life though.

Mass General should have a class.

If not, let me know. Being on the network, I can look up iNstructors near you. Perhaps some of your work guys would like one? All of you should have it.

Thank you.

The Sig class might be a bit too much "Pew, Pew" when just going over the basics requires 100% attention. Thinking it might be good to actually wear, never worn, carrier in this type of class and see how positioning of gear actually works.

Work gives a yearly refresher that has turned into a joke because due to Covid we cant do any prac app.

Might go with this as a refresher....

Trauma Management

This intensive one day class bridges the gap between entry level first aid techniques and tactical medicine. By familiarizing the student with simple anatomy and physiology, along with the most up to date treatment protocols; this course will provide the professional firearms instructor with the...

www.sigsaueracademy.com

Had my wife trying to arrange a STB for her work after she was first responder at lower leg amp MC accident and other tha calm assurances and directing traffic she didnt have gear or skills to help more.

Ive since outfitted her car with shit that would have helped but CV19 and virtual office preclude her organizing a class.

 

[MarinePMI]

One of my former A-gunners is wearing (to this day) the burned in imprint of a M-249 SAW barrel across the bottom of his forearms.

He learned the hard way, to ALWAYS step behind the gunner in a gun pit. He learned what happens when you have to swing a belt fed MG from the left boundary to the far right boundary in a hurry. I don't care what you're doing in that corner of the pit, when Betsy needs to move over, you better get out of the way (especially when you're already one belt over, of needing a barrel swap).

I swear, I can still remember the smell of burning skin...yuck.

 

[Strykervet]

For that very reaosn I stay out of the city ranges... too many dumb fuck RAMBO WANNA-BES. About the 3rd time I saw some idiot sweep the barrel wrong I packed and left.

Now I hit the ranges 15 miles out. PITA the drive too but that's the point. Keeps SOME of the riff raff away. It's also where LE trains so you can bet it's a lot more respectful, safe and intelligent. Let the rats have their inner city cages.

I feel for the workers tho... Like at LAX Range? OMG... you couldn't pay me enough to work there.

Pretty much with 'ya there. I look for clear cuts and BLM land.

 

[GBMaryland]

Hot brass story

i’m in a public place with my kid I’m not sure if this is that kind of brass story.

I do remember one time being at the range and having a lady tell me that I was full of crap I didn’t know what I was talking about when I warned her that her bikini top might not be a good idea with that A.R. 15 she was shooting.

When the hot brass landed between her boobs and the top came off it was an eye full... And she was pretty darn good looking

 

[Strykervet]

One of my former A-gunners is wearing (to this day) the burned in imprint of a M-249 SAW barrel across the bottom of his forearms.

He learned the hard way, to ALWAYS step behind the gunner in a gun pit. He learned what happens when you have to swing a belt fed MG from the left boundary to the far right boundary in a hurry. I don't care what you're doing in that corner of the pit, when Betsy needs to move over, you better get out of the way (especially when you're already one belt over, of needing a barrel swap).

I swear, I can still remember the smell of burning skin...yuck.

Damn... Those thing can glow like branding irons. I remember clearly seeing the rounds THROUGH the barrel with NODs on, looked like pure white streaks moving down the barrel... Without NODs, it had a dim red glow. Scary. But that guy did do a 600 round mag dump on a live fire range! His PSG caught up to him and hit him so hard his helmet came off! But to be fair, they did tell him "not to come back with any ammo" and it was a short lane...

I know of a guy that caught a blank in the back from the 240 on Sand Hill some time back. Cleaning, a blank was left in it, it closed and fired on the guy in front of him and blew a baseball size chunk out of his back.

Another guy was using a Raufoss round to pound the pin out of an M2 in an RWS mount. It went off. It split his arm near to the elbow, two little fingers on one stick and a thumb and forefinger on the other --I guess the middle finger evaporated. It was gross.

Seen another guy open the feed tray on a 240 and look right into it, no sweep, no nothing. BANG! Blew half his face off when that round cooked off with the bolt open. Never saw him again. Nobody missed a beat training though.

Seen an M4 fall from attic onto muzzle and discharge. Divot is still apparent at sniper range at Ft. Lewis. Never knew if it was on safe or not or if it even mattered in that case. But it could have been bad, people were everywhere.

But eyes, it seems like frags just GO for the eyes. Wear eye pro. And I'd wear a plate carrier, not kidding, if I went to some of the ranges you guys go to.

 

[Doc68]

Truth is, someone has to be the leader if shooting in a group.

Plan before. Discuss. If you are the guy/gal, then do it Make it clear.

I cannot reiterate enough the need to spend the $ on an IFAK and some education.
We spend a lot on guns, ammo, classes to be prepared to save a life.
Whats $100 to have a kit to do it? Thats all it costs to have a basic kit.
And classes arent crazy pricey.
Find a Stop the Bleed class. They should be free. Its like bystander CPR for Trauma.

Number 1 cause of death in trauma is bleeding out.

More people are saved each year from cardiac arrest due to bystander CPR being administered quickly until EMS arrives than any other reason.

I teach the Stob the Bleed class. For free. And CPR.

Anyone between Pueblo to Ft Collins I am happy to work with you to do a class.
100% free.
Going to be working with a local range and a local shop to do more of this as we settle into kids back in school.

Let me know if you would like help or supplies. I have a shit ton we are getting rid if to make room for new ones .
They are not expired either.
Doc

 

[TexPatriot]

This doesn't have shit all to do with the OP's thread but there was a middle age fat guy that showed up at the range in the early 90's I help build and shot/competed on. I was concentrating on getting my draw times and first shots on target faster. He started to argue with me his cross draw technique was faster.
I finally told him I had the shot timer, bring $500.00 and his gun and we'll see.

Next thing I heard is he was practicing at home with a loaded gun and shot himself through the fat roll of his beer belly with a 1911. He never came back out to the range.

 

[Samuel Whittemore]

Ok.. speaking of shooting oneself in the leg.. how about this? This probably should be posted as it's own thread --it'll get a million views it's hilarious! A NEW DANCE about to become all the rage.. Called the "Happy Hot Feet" -- Or "the Molotov Two Step"

Or maybe.... just the "Dumb Fuck Footsie"

I had to watch 10 times...

 

[BikePilot]

Truth is, someone has to be the leader if shooting in a group.

Plan before. Discuss. If you are the guy/gal, then do it Make it clear.

I cannot reiterate enough the need to spend the $ on an IFAK and some education.
We spend a lot on guns, ammo, classes to be prepared to save a life.
Whats $100 to have a kit to do it? Thats all it costs to have a basic kit.
And classes arent crazy pricey.
Find a Stop the Bleed class. They should be free. Its like bystander CPR for Trauma.

Number 1 cause of death in trauma is bleeding out.

More people are saved each year from cardiac arrest due to bystander CPR being administered quickly until EMS arrives than any other reason.

I teach the Stob the Bleed class. For free. And CPR.

Anyone between Pueblo to Ft Collins I am happy to work with you to do a class.
100% free.
Going to be working with a local range and a local shop to do more of this as we settle into kids back in school.

I'd love to get some training from you! I've done standard first aid, CPR and AED, but none of that really covered major tramua very well. I'm in Golden.

 

[DCAN]

That's too funny! Shame his buddies had already thrown their water bottles at the cops. Hope it hurt like hell and still does.

 

[Samuel Whittemore]

What makes me fume (and then laugh like 'what would I expect?') even move is the SLANTED INSIDIOUS media in some places they stated he was burned by “flames erupting in the Streets..” I’m like.. “Really? OMG... I just hate when that happens. Those bad, bad, bad, mean bad streets!!”

Not that the idiot was so inept he f--ked up throwing his own Molotov.

That’s called lying by omission and the media does it everyday in every way whenever it serves their long or short term agenda.

 

[Doc68]

Shit ton of what not expired? Celox?

Gen7 CATs
Celox
Emergency trauma bandages
Combat gauze
Compressed gauze
Ace wraps
Hypothermia blankets both aluminium and the active warming ones that heat up to 160 degrees.
SAM Splints
Chest seals
NCDs

A bunch of other stuff

Doc

 

[theLBC]

i typically wear a long sleeve t-shirt at the range unless it is super hot. loose clothing is the ghey.
i don't fry bacon while naked either.

 

[Powder_Burns]

The range I used to shoot had steel target frames back in the 90’s, one day a guy managed to ricochet a .25acp into his leg.

The stop the bleed class sounds like a really good idea.

 

[lariat]

Gen7 CATs
Celox
Emergency trauma bandages
Combat gauze
Compressed gauze
Ace wraps
Hypothermia blankets both aluminium and the active warming ones that heat up to 160 degrees.
SAM Splints
Chest seals
NCDs

A bunch of other stuff

Doc

This brings up another thing: rotate the shit in the kits. Especially if it stays in the hot car. Plastic degrades, sterile items won’t be after a while. Even bandaids and other sniffle gear go bad. If you carry it YOU are responsible for keeping it in condition and ready to go. If you sign on to the responsiblity you need to own it.

I say this because I have dealt with guys that are part of a security team for churches and businesses that have been through a single STB class and not trained regularly. They think they have the skills but in reality are unprepared and it’s all on them, but the impact is on other people. STB classes are damn near free- taking it regularly to stay fresh is cheap.

 

[powdahound76]

@lariat

I guess the rest of my church Safety team guys are lucky.
We train a lot.
Practice a lot.
They are on top of it.

My only difference of opinion is about “sterile”.
Doesnt really matter in the field. Guy is gonna live or die. Save em.
They can get a little ancef once at the trauma center.

 

[uskgxh11]

New hippy with his first gun
BLM...bozo’s legs matter

 

[Ted Harte]

Everyone needs guns. You’re all so negative.

Some people simply need personal growth, and an ND to the calf will help this guy get there. Certainly an ND when another person gets hit it always bad, but some people need to shoot themselves, and I suspect this guy was one of those people.

That made me spit me tea out when I read that

 

[pmclaine]

@lariat

I guess the rest of my church Safety team guys are lucky.
We train a lot.
Practice a lot.
They are on top of it.

My only difference of opinion is about “sterile”.
Doesnt really matter in the field. Guy is gonna live or die. Save em.
They can get a little ancef once at the trauma center.

Last Sig handgun class I took guy there was up from Maryland wanting to train because he is Church security. I thought that was excellent.

 

[darkfader]

I’m a relatively new paramedic, but was an EMT for about 12 years before that. I’m also an EMT-Basic instructor along with teaching Stop the Bleed and CPR among others. I have a small kit that stays in the vehicle at all times that has 2 CAT TQ’s, hemostatic dressing, and plenty of materials needed to obtain IV access and administer fluids. Hopefully I never need to use any of it, but it’s there in the event that I do.
One can earn an Emergency Medical Responder cert by taking an 80 hour class, EMT-B is roughly 160 hours plus some clinical rotations, depending on your state, and Paramedic is a major commitment for either a 2 year program or an extremely rigorous accelerated 1 year program.
Use the “rule of 2’s” with TQ application. 2” wide, 2” above the leak, and if one doesn’t work, use 2! Record the time of application for the trauma surgeon. As said above, extremities can be saved after the “time limit” depending on circumstances of course. Either way, we’d much rather lose the extremity, than let the patient exsanguinate.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

I am probably in small group where that isnt attractive.

I like redneck gals in tanktops and cut off britches.
Just not the fake posed ones such as that.
Mostly I prefer just normal jeans and a shirt. Tshirt, flannel, or hoody is fine.

A cute gal all dirty from gigging frogs with a grin and a cold beer would make me stutter and knees all weak though.

 

[OldSalty2]

Any one that actually dresses like this , SHOULD be shot , preferably in the nuts .

Function over style brother.

 

[powdahound76]

@Srgt. Hulka - that's what I am talking about.

Now to catch some fryer size and have a feast!

 

[John_in_WYO]

Shit, between 1977 and 1987 I had two, TWO! at separate times, both PD Captains, shoot themselves with their issued service revolvers, down the leg from the holster, in their individual offices during my first career.
Steel-lined, “bucket” holsters with a strap. I assume they were playing practicing their quick draw and got their trigger finger in the guard after failing to unload their guns first.
Each of the two had holes in and out through the calf. Lucky the issue round was .38 Special +P Speer Lawman 125 grain Penta-point hollow point and not .357 Magnum.
Since it seemed it was “lead by example” I never tested for Captain....grin.
ADs/NDs happen off the range, too. In the most unlikely places.

 

[Doc68]

Yes, dont worry about dirt or shit in a wound. Just stop the bleeding. A gram of rocephin works wonders. And yes if you are trained in how to do an IV, get a saline lock started with a minimum of 18ga catheter. The larger the better, but 18ga is smallest for getting blood products. That way if they do crash IV access is already in place. It's all about staying ahead. Playing catch up with someone's life isn't fun.

 

[powdahound76]

He is right. IV access before they lose too much volume is a good idea.
Dont give fluid though!!! Saline doesnt transport oxygen.
it improves BP which makes you feel better, but is really bad for the patient.

or if that doesnt work, some nerd will be singing “IO, IO, to save your life IO”.
same nerd might teach classes and tell young nurses that its 2 stick attempts and then pretend you are Sarah Palin and “drill baby drill”.

 

[MarinePMI]

He is right. IV access before they lose too much volume is a good idea.
Dont give fluid though!!! Saline doesnt transport oxygen.
it improves BP which makes you feel better, but is really bad for the patient.

or if that doesnt work, some nerd will be singing “IO, IO, to save your life IO”.
same nerd might teach classes and tell young nurses that its 2 stick attempts and then pretend you are Sarah Palin and “drill baby drill”.

I had one of those "drill, baby drill" types when they had to put an ART line in my left wrist. It took her 4 attempts to get that thing in, and the day after surgery I had a bruise/blood streak from wrist to elbow. Even half doped up, that shit was uncomfortable as hell...

 

[powdahound76]

@MarinePMI - argh!!!!

I was referring to the IO drills specifically and I know what you mean.

I always hated working with the folks who were more suited for The metal detector club vs sticking needles in people based on how I would see them dig. And never seen them get a good IV that way.
I was the charge nurse and had one guy, good nurse and experienced, who couldn't get an IV once.
i was pretty good at tough sticks so went and put one in. Really wasnt challenging.

ended up having to take pictures of the bruising for the patients chart and writing him up.

Our rule in the ED was, unless life threatening, 2 sticks and quit. Your pride isnt worth a patients pain

Another nurse and I even pioneered the education and certification to use the Ultrasound to start IVs. Good stuff on the chronically ill, very dehydrated, etc.