I purchased three boxes of Hornady's 70gr. monolithic bullets, the GMX series, only to discover that Hornady says they won't stabilize in a 1:8 twist barrel. Unfortunately this is exactly what I have, 16" Wylde chamber, 1:8 twist in an auto-loader AR-15.
I loaded five rounds, H335@23gr. even just to see if I'd get keyholes at 100 yards. Nada. Seemed stable and I'm not sure why Hornady says they won't stabilize as I've shot up to 77gr. out of this barrel and all were fine. My other test load that day was Sierra 69gr TMK's and they too produced nothing but round holes.
Anyway, at that charge which was just a guesstimate starting point, something safe, middle of the road, I had an ES of 39 and a "respectable" SD of 17.3. So not a bad starting point for a guess. I have read a few other posts here on monolithics and most agree they like to run hot which has also been my experience.
With that said, I've loaded two different GMX weights in .308 and I get very inconsistent results day to day, despite using the same tools and techniques. I'll get a super tight group at 100 yards and the next time out, it won't produce nearly the same results. I've gone through an entire box of the 150gr. GMX bullets trying to find consistency with no luck. Last time out, I did manage an SD of 14.1. but not a tight group. Maybe me? Dunno. Same with the 165gr. GMX, had an SD of 10 with a very light charge (39gr. of IMR4045) and velocities in the mid 2200 range out of a 16" barrel. Not very hot indeed. They did not group this time out. I don't use a sled, just a cheap bipod and a sand bag. I've run that same charge before and they grouped much tighter but with a slightly higher SD.
I have started shooting the GMX first when I go to test. Typically I'll take a few different bullet types that I've loaded up, from the monolithics to normal, jacketed, lead-filled rounds. They'll either be ladder charges if I'm trying to find a node or it'll be a "proof" test with ten rounds loaded. I don't clean the barrel/run a bore snake in between bullets but again, I'm running the GMX first in most cases and I'm also going for practical accuracy, better than what I'd get with off the shelf loads.
So what is it with monolithics that makes them more difficult than normal bullets? Any reloading tips I need to pay particular attention to? I have messed with seating depth a bit but I feel like, other than overall case length, I have things under control. In fact, this time out I had for the first time single digit SD's with both 308 and 223 (thanks to help from forum members here!) with a best of 4.6SD for the Sierra 69gr. TMK's with an ES of 11. I was pretty stoked. My groupings however, weren't what I thought they'd be so I'll be doing some "proof" 10-round runs in two different charge weights. I know both guns can shoot. I've gotten less than an MOA on both @100 yards with factory match ammo and some of the rounds I've produced. I may avoid monolithics in the future as I get better results in fewer test rounds with standard bullets. Thoughts?
I loaded five rounds, H335@23gr. even just to see if I'd get keyholes at 100 yards. Nada. Seemed stable and I'm not sure why Hornady says they won't stabilize as I've shot up to 77gr. out of this barrel and all were fine. My other test load that day was Sierra 69gr TMK's and they too produced nothing but round holes.
Anyway, at that charge which was just a guesstimate starting point, something safe, middle of the road, I had an ES of 39 and a "respectable" SD of 17.3. So not a bad starting point for a guess. I have read a few other posts here on monolithics and most agree they like to run hot which has also been my experience.
With that said, I've loaded two different GMX weights in .308 and I get very inconsistent results day to day, despite using the same tools and techniques. I'll get a super tight group at 100 yards and the next time out, it won't produce nearly the same results. I've gone through an entire box of the 150gr. GMX bullets trying to find consistency with no luck. Last time out, I did manage an SD of 14.1. but not a tight group. Maybe me? Dunno. Same with the 165gr. GMX, had an SD of 10 with a very light charge (39gr. of IMR4045) and velocities in the mid 2200 range out of a 16" barrel. Not very hot indeed. They did not group this time out. I don't use a sled, just a cheap bipod and a sand bag. I've run that same charge before and they grouped much tighter but with a slightly higher SD.
I have started shooting the GMX first when I go to test. Typically I'll take a few different bullet types that I've loaded up, from the monolithics to normal, jacketed, lead-filled rounds. They'll either be ladder charges if I'm trying to find a node or it'll be a "proof" test with ten rounds loaded. I don't clean the barrel/run a bore snake in between bullets but again, I'm running the GMX first in most cases and I'm also going for practical accuracy, better than what I'd get with off the shelf loads.
So what is it with monolithics that makes them more difficult than normal bullets? Any reloading tips I need to pay particular attention to? I have messed with seating depth a bit but I feel like, other than overall case length, I have things under control. In fact, this time out I had for the first time single digit SD's with both 308 and 223 (thanks to help from forum members here!) with a best of 4.6SD for the Sierra 69gr. TMK's with an ES of 11. I was pretty stoked. My groupings however, weren't what I thought they'd be so I'll be doing some "proof" 10-round runs in two different charge weights. I know both guns can shoot. I've gotten less than an MOA on both @100 yards with factory match ammo and some of the rounds I've produced. I may avoid monolithics in the future as I get better results in fewer test rounds with standard bullets. Thoughts?