hs precision worst stock ever

[Møønlight]

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That's crazy. I've deployed to places that get hotter than that.

How do other stocks like Manner'snd Mc Millan hold up to heat like that?

-Ms

 

[dmg308]

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Non issue for them.It's just what ever catalist they use in the foam core(Kinda like GreatStuff expanding foam)can possibly reactivate in the right conditions.It's not common but it does happen.And when a customer buys a $600 stock they don't feel to good with the answer "Guess you shouldn't have left it in the car all day".

 

[johninok]

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that blows. I had a crack in one and dealt with Kent, very nice guy, HS fixed it fast, even repainted the stock a different color before shipping it back. Would like to see how this pans out.

 

[JGorski]

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I really cant believe 125 degree heat would split an H-S stock, I have 3 of them, that being said I bought a Manners stock for my custom.

 

[dannydifalco]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Temp9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This makes my choice of 10FCP easy. McMillan it is!</div></div> I have personally played with mcmillan on the 10FCP! a very nice stock! I personally dont like the HS precision. I like the B&C over them.

 

[vinsonr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: red6actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">125 degress?, That can not be right, over in Iraq and Afghanistan it reaches 125 easily on a daily basis, so every M24 over there has a cracked stock? </div></div>

I carried an M24 in Iraq and measured over 125 in a couple of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">holes</span> hide sites and the stock did not react in this way.

 

[pre64marksman]

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Sounds like a QC issue to me. I wouldn't be suppressed if certain HS stocks survive such temps while others fail under that heat! I don't know how qc would involve the chemistry of the foam, but bad shell epoxy mix or gas or air trapped between shell and foam core could be a reason. The design of the HS stock is sound, but there are better designs now(MCM, Manners, various chassis etc). The biggest issue with HS for aftermarket is that they are precisely made to fit an ideal dimension of M700 action that doesn't exist because std m700s differ a lot dimensionally from one action to the next. I just done trust their QC like with other brands.

I had my old M700 VS slide and fall to the floor with a hard whack and I flinched-not because of worry over the scope or action but worry about the stock cracking! Its an old rifle and old stock with lots of usage! If it cracked it would suck, but honestly if it did break I'd sand the paint off the area, open the shell a tad where the break occurred, remove a sixteenth inch of foam, fill in with epoxy and fiberglass sheet, form this back to original shape and than overlay thinly with more glass and epoxy. Than litly sand after it dries and repaint. The only question is what would be the appropriate epoxy, as in what epoxy is used in the shells of HS stocks? would it be weak if there is a different type of epoxy in the repaired area?

 

[pre64marksman]

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I just got done conversing about stock repair with a few other hide members lately. A brand new gun needs to be replaced by Savage if a new stock cracked in a hot car. An old gun with a lot of use needing stock repair however is something that can be done at home.

If expanding foam is the issue with the Savage is there foam pushing out of the rupture or is the shell just cracked?

 

[Møønlight]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vinson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: red6actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">125 degress?, That can not be right, over in Iraq and Afghanistan it reaches 125 easily on a daily basis, so every M24 over there has a cracked stock? </div></div>

I carried an M24 in Iraq and measured over 125 in a couple of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">holes</span> hide sites and the stock did not react in this way. </div></div>

That's problably pushing it. Sometimes it got around 135 but that was only for a small part of the year. The 120° plus temperature's don't last year around like some people think because people like to exagerate.

Good post for the record.,
Regards,
-Ms

 

[VJJPunisher]

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i'm not concerned, we stowed an M24 in the back of our bradley for an entire year, no problems and we had a thermometer hangin in the back with us, i recall reading 132 degrees with ramp up on more than one occasion.

if this thread steers you from an HS stock then so be it. By the way, anyone can PM me if they wanna sell their piece of crap HS take off stock

 

[cavemanmoore]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if this thread steers you from an HS stock then so be it. By the way, anyone can PM me if they wanna sell their piece of crap HS take off stock </div></div>

Want me to PM you about buying a Alpine Fraudworks built chassis, too? I noticed you said you wanted one in the other thread

 

[tomcatfan]

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I've had nothing but problems with my HS M24 vertical grip stock. The aluminum block wasn't remotely straight so I had to bed it, which I'm just guessing is going to have an impact on its resale value. And the finish on the thing is just shit. I don't know what they used, but the other day I noticed a bubble on the bottom of the stock. I pushed on it and it popped falling off. If B&C had a detachable mag system I would have definitely gone with them but no dice.

 

[VJJPunisher]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage 10fp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If this thread steers you from an HS stock then so be it. By the way, anyone can PM me if they wanna sell their piece of crap HS take off stock </div></div>

PM On its way. If you are really interested in buying an HS stock. </div></div>

yes sir

 

[nashlaw]

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[Don'tTaseMeBro]

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I'm in Iraq right now and our days have been averaging 124 degrees. That being said, 124 degrees outside isn't nearly the same as the inside temperature a vehicle reaches at that temp. You can't even touch the steering wheel for a while in that heat. A brain fart is one thing but this sounds like a shart.....

 

[Chris K]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joseph Harris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in Iraq right now and our days have been averaging 124 degrees. That being said, 124 degrees outside isn't nearly the same as the inside temperature a vehicle reaches at that temp. You can't even touch the steering wheel for a while in that heat. A brain fart is one thing but this sounds like a shart.....</div></div>

youre IN Iraq? On 6-1-12? I'm not going to ask...be careful buddy. Not too many good guys left in that place.

either way...I hope this doesn't happen to my HS stocks, and like other Army shooters have said, didn't happen to my M24 and it does get hot over there/

C_K

 

[Driftwood]

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I have used many HSP stocks over the years, from the cold Idaho winters, to the heat of Iraq and Afghanistan in the summer and never had any issues with them. I have always found them to be very durable. I have dealt with Don from HSP in the past and always found him to be very helpful. It's unfortunate that you have not had a similar experience. After my experiences with Don, I am really surprised by your experience. I have to say yours is the exception to the rule. Did Don tell you just to junk your cracked stock? Hopefully Savage will give you a replacement if HSP won't, then you can sell it and get something you will be happier with. I am curious to see how it turns out.

 

[AirborneFO]

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I'm sure the Army HS stocks are different than the average civilian stock. I have an HS on my 308, this has me thinking.

 

[boone3380]

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I have an older HS stock that was on a Sendero long action. Left it in the car and it's cracked from one end to the other. It happened a couple weeks ago when the temps were over 100. There's no foam coming out of the cracks, there just opened up a 16th to an 8th inch. Only good thing is it didn't seem to lose any strength. I'll try to get some pics tomorrow.

 

[EZTundra77]

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2nd that. I had my M700 SS R5 bull barrel in the truck all day. it was 108&#730; in open air. Must have been 125 in the truck. No problems. And I have buddies who have used HS in the dessert/military with no issues. But it sucks that you got one that had a problem.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: my human host</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It would be interesting to know why some give trouble and others don't. I currently own 3 HS stocks. I've had a few more than that over the years. They've certainly been above 125 degrees and I've never had a problem.

I'm going through the process of switching my rifles over to t4's. I still don't think I would discourage someone from picking up an HS takeoff if the price was fair. </div></div>

 

[EZTundra77]

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I did confirm with Remington that they dont use the same HS stocks on non-milspec rifles. There are different grades of stocks. The HS stock on my r5 milspec is different that one on a Sendaro or on a savage. He said that the stock on mine is not quite as durable as that on my gun's big-bro (the M-24) but it's close. And he confirmed that my particular HS stock will withstand temps much higher than a buck and a quarter, which it has. It's like a Porsche. They might share a brand name, but a Boxter (a porsche w/ panties) ain't the same a Carrera, not by a long shot.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EZTundra77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did confirm with Remington that they dont use the same HS stocks on non-milspec rifles. There are different grades of stocks. The HS stock on my r5 milspec is different that one on a Sendaro or on a savage. He said that the stock on mine is not quite as durable as that on my gun's big-bro (the M-24) but it's close. And he confirmed that my particular HS stock will withstand temps much higher than a buck and a quarter, which it has. It's like a Porsche. They might share a brand name, but a Boxter (a porsche w/ panties) ain't the same a Carrera, not by a long shot.
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good to know that Remington is bad mouthing Savage... I've had several Savages w/ HS stocks... they've all been beat on and been above 125 degrees...

 

[dannydifalco]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chris_K</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joseph Harris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in Iraq right now and our days have been averaging 124 degrees. That being said, 124 degrees outside isn't nearly the same as the inside temperature a vehicle reaches at that temp. You can't even touch the steering wheel for a while in that heat. A brain fart is one thing but this sounds like a shart.....</div></div>

youre IN Iraq? On 6-1-12? I'm not going to ask...be careful buddy. Not too many good guys left in that place.

either way...I hope this doesn't happen to my HS stocks, and like other Army shooters have said, didn't happen to my M24 and it does get hot over there/

C_K</div></div> Second this. Why the FK are you in IRAQ right now?

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DannyDifalco</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chris_K</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joseph Harris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in Iraq right now and our days have been averaging 124 degrees. That being said, 124 degrees outside isn't nearly the same as the inside temperature a vehicle reaches at that temp. You can't even touch the steering wheel for a while in that heat. A brain fart is one thing but this sounds like a shart.....</div></div>

youre IN Iraq? On 6-1-12? I'm not going to ask...be careful buddy. Not too many good guys left in that place.

either way...I hope this doesn't happen to my HS stocks, and like other Army shooters have said, didn't happen to my M24 and it does get hot over there/

C_K</div></div> Second this. Why the FK are you in IRAQ right now?</div></div>

because "Obama withdrew all the troops from Iraq" is pure bullshit... I don't keep real current anymore, but last I knew we had around 10k troops there...after we " brought the troops home from Iraq"

 

[cvcustom]

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Well guys tomorrow is moment of truth let's see if savage has my back

 

[Don'tTaseMeBro]

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Guys, I am IN Iraq. I work for a private security company. I can't say whether or not there are military personnel here, but if they are, I would think they are here in an "Other Government Agency" capacity......... If you get my drift. We do private security for dignitaries and the like. Convoy security. Airport runs, etc.

 

[EZTundra77]

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I was guessing that Joseph Harris was working privately. We still have massive para-military presence in the region. Groups like Blackwater, etc. And while I have respect for private firms over there, I have to point out that Obama withdrew most troops and ended combat operations. He never addresses Blackwater and such groups. And we obviously will leave military advisors there for a while too. I wouldn't want to see a sudden withdrawal en masse. Too much of a reminder of the embassy in Saigon. I dont wanna see no hajees hangin from choppers. I dont mean no offense. Just sayin'.

 

[Don'tTaseMeBro]

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Most people don't know that there is a HUGE presence of State Department here too. HUGE.

 

[Don'tTaseMeBro]

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And Blackwater has been banned from Iraq. They also had to change their name.

 

[EZTundra77]

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He didn't bad mouth savage. he just pointed out the difference between a $350- stock and a $250 stock. He pointed out that the vast majority of other Remington rifles dont use the PST012 stock either. Savage is a great rifle. And i would be disappointed if I spent $700 on a Savage and the stock split. I bet they will stand behind it. I just think it's important to remember that all companies have different grades of product. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EZTundra77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did confirm with Remington that they dont use the same HS stocks on non-milspec rifles. There are different grades of stocks. The HS stock on my r5 milspec is different that one on a Sendaro or on a savage. He said that the stock on mine is not quite as durable as that on my gun's big-bro (the M-24) but it's close. And he confirmed that my particular HS stock will withstand temps much higher than a buck and a quarter, which it has. It's like a Porsche. They might share a brand name, but a Boxter (a porsche w/ panties) ain't the same a Carrera, not by a long shot.
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good to know that Remington is bad mouthing Savage... I've had several Savages w/ HS stocks... they've all been beat on and been above 125 degrees... </div></div>

 

[axshon]

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Where is this foam, in the butt stock? I drilled mine to put on a Karsten rest on my Rem 700 5R and it was empty. Perhaps that's the difference: filled v/s unfilled. Dunno, just asking.

I will be selling my stock and upgrading to a Mcree Precision once I get enough posts here or on a local board if anyone there is interested but that's because it doesn't fit me properly, not because it's a problem. I've left it in the trunk on 100 degree days so I could hit the range after work and never had a problem.

 

[Tactical]

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Many years ago I cracked an HS Stock because I painted it and then set paint in over that was too hot. They fixed it for me. It really was my fault because I should have asked them if it was OK to bake it like I had my McMillan. When I say bake I mean the lowest setting in over with door open for ten minutes.

Since I have learned they are good stocks but dont get them as hot as you would a McMillan or Mannners. HS offers drop in work right now stocks. Not the best in industry but alot better than what is generally issued on a rifle not custom made.

Never had one crack in a car but typically have not left in car where it would bake, I do see how an exposed weapon in a car in high heat area could do this and get to temp that would cause it to crack.

No doubt there are different qualities of HS Stocks. I have seen one PSS to anothers stock be so different you wondered if same company made it. We found this commonly in 1990s when we would have smith cut forend for accessories and find one with blocks all the way out and one with foam ad blocks only at sling stude and action

 

[VJJPunisher]

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i have had no PM's to my offer, weird

 

[cavemanmoore]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have had no PM's to my offer, weird </div></div>

PM sent.

 

[Wes3377]

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I've been using HS for years in central and west Tx and never had an issue. Ledt a bunch of then in trucks or safes in barns. Where I live, we see 100+ degree days several times a summer, and it can reach 150 in my black truck. Just my experiences. However, I have also not had noticeable POI shifts, which I would expect if the foam was expanding or contracting.

 

[cvcustom]

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Good news talked to savage today they are replacing it I'm sending them the cracked stock and there sending a new one very happy they did say this is not an isolated problem

 

[cvcustom]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have had no PM's to my offer, weird </div></div>
I'll be happy to sell you the new one

 

[The Real Morpheus]

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Speaking of B&C. My son ordered a medalist to put his savage model 10 in. The for end was completely off center. One side was almost touching the barrel. Good grief do they even have a quality control person. Sorry to hear about the HS stock. I have one on a Rem 700 varmint and just ordered a Rem 700 5R 300 WM that obviously comes with the HS stock.

 

[ammomarine]

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Just bought a bell and Carson stock that was the same way even with the factory barrel it was going to the right side. I was thinking I got the Friday stock.I just broke out with the dremal. Gave the stock some touching up.

 

[boone3380]

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Here's a few pics.

 

[cavemanmoore]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cvcustoms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good news talked to savage today they are replacing it I'm sending them the cracked stock and there sending a new one very happy they did say this is not an isolated problem </div></div>

Nice to hear that Savage is taking care of you.

 

[cvcustom]

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mine is cracked exactly the same

 

[freeflight]

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Good to know...what to avoid

 

[JSTARSZ]

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I had a very well known Gunsmith tell me that H&S Precision stocks are a sorry excuse for a stock...tells me all I need to know.

 

[Guest]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a very well known Gunsmith tell me that H&S Precision stocks are a sorry excuse for a stock...tells me all I need to know. </div></div>
What stock was he selling?

 

[JSTARSZ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a very well known Gunsmith tell me that H&S Precision stocks are a sorry excuse for a stock...tells me all I need to know. </div></div>
What stock was he selling?</div></div> he uses Manner's Stocks mainly.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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Their stocks can't handle 125 degrees? Isn't the M24 on an HS? Doesn't the military use their weapons in extreme conditions? Is it common in parts of the world to find temps in the 120's? I call bullshit to Don on this one. And here I was thinking about buying an HS stock. IF it were me I would order a stock that I liked from another company and send the stock back to HS, postage due, with a nice lil letter telling them where they can stick their over priced, heat sensitive stock. But that is just me.

Don is full of shit.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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CVCustoms, please keep us up to date on this. I really would like to see how this turns out. I was actually getting ready to put some money down on an HS Stock. But after reading this I am going to wait and see how this turns out for you. Yes I am buying a stock but more than that I am buying a quality customer service after the sale. If they are not going to take care of issues, that are not the fault of the owner, then I will invest my money elsewhere.

 

[kb1]

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Kinda looks like a boiled hot dog.

 

[Moadrifter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats the biggest bunch of bullshit. I guess they don't intend on military using their stocks over seas in 120 degree heat or using them in Arizona or any desert region for that matter? I would definitely make a huge stink about it to everybody at the company and let them know you're going to spread the word on every website and gun store in Vegas. </div></div>

Exactly! I was going to re-stock my XCR II 338 LM in HS Precision, but not any more. I'll stick with the out of box B&C stock for now.