It’s on the intersection of Flavorless and Gut Rot ?I'm sorry, Sir. That's classified.
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It’s on the intersection of Flavorless and Gut Rot ?I'm sorry, Sir. That's classified.
Serious question for anyone contemplating this chassis:
Are you willing to sacrifice the ability to use 16” barrels for a longer forend? Since it’s bonded, if I go longer than 13” on the forend, it will be all but impossible to tighten a 16” barrel.
I could get to an ACC-ish forend length if 18” is the shortest compatible barrel. Since this is competition oriented (and I don’t run shorty barrels) it doesn’t seem like a huge deal, but from the beginning I designed it to accept 16” barrels since I didn’t want the end user to not be able to use what they already have.
It’s on the intersection of Flavorless and Gut Rot ?
Serious question for anyone contemplating this chassis:
Are you willing to sacrifice the ability to use 16” barrels for a longer forend? Since it’s bonded, if I go longer than 13” on the forend, it will be all but impossible to tighten a 16” barrel.
I could get to an ACC-ish forend length if 18” is the shortest compatible barrel. Since this is competition oriented (and I don’t run shorty barrels) it doesn’t seem like a huge deal, but from the beginning I designed it to accept 16” barrels since I didn’t want the end user to not be able to use what they already have.
@PBWalsh
I do get that, and honestly, that setup would only be what, 6 oz heavier than the same thing with a clone action? I guess my point is that if you took every AI action out there & logged what barrel is on it (most of the time, considering the switch-barrel nature of it), I think 16" is going to be a VERY small percentage.
Yes I remember kicking that idea around. The current design does have the removable front spigot, but is ~1/2” closer to the bore than the bottom of the forend. If I go that far out I’d prefer to be closer to the bore axis unless the forend is continuous.Or if enough people want to use 16" barrels for portability, maybe a removable spigot that interfaces with the chassis arca rail for 18" of continuous arca like we talked about a while back is better....
I don’t disagree with you, but it’s going to be a challenge to even do a production run of one style of chassis. I’m still trying to figure out real numbers of how many people would put money down and buy a kit for their AI. Unfortunately for me I don’t have a CNC so they can’t be made to order. I need to have some idea of how many to order in a production batch without going broke.Why not make two different versions? A "covert" version and "competition" version?
It would be pricey to have two different configurations, but if there is a market for both it could pay off.
Especially with the M-Lok slots, the longer forend at the muzzle makes things a lot easier for how I have things designed (spigot, integrated flush cups). That won’t be seen by most users but I’m over here pulling my hair out over it haha.Sam - whats the longer forend achieve, aside from putting the bipod farther out (no sarcasm intended). i could be wrong but most NV or thermal clip ons will work on the shorter version, correct? and the utility of that is probably even less than the number of people potentially tossing in shorter barrels for hunting and the like. i wonder what victor is seeing in buying habits with his hammer rail in terms of 13" vs 16" demand.
AI KeySlot is KeyMod done right. It's better, stronger, and simpler.@samb300
Keyslot = AI
Keymod = VLTOR (And is open source)
The difference is Keyslot by AI uses a left hand threaded grub screw with an upside down cone on the end to self-center in the keyslot.
Keymod uses a screw&nut like mlok but uses the same self-centering cone idea for the nut part of it. Keymod is the 'better' design compared to mlok, but is more expensive/difficult to produce. I guess sort of how beta video was better, but cost more than VHS.
AI KeySlot is KeyMod done right. It's better, stronger, and simpler.
Based on the testing I've read about, M-Lok is superior to KeyMod in terms of strength/performance.
If I can do AI KeySlot I will pursue it; if not I will continue with the M-Lok design used in the prototypes.
KeySlot is AI's proprietary interface. KeyMod is the open-source interface that was all but replaced with M-Lok.Lot's of issues with keyslots on ar15's. I've seen numerous examples of handguards with the keyslot get damaged from moderate use.
I think it's smart to stay away from keyslot.
KeySlot is AI's proprietary interface. KeyMod is the open-source interface that was all but replaced with M-Lok.
I'm assuming KeyMod is what you meant
No worries! I'm pretty sure the patented "post-14" AI KeySlot came out after KeyMod was designed, so they definitely had an opportunity to name it something slightly more different that would help people distinguish the two, especially since from the outside surface they look very similar. Really anything that didn't start with "Key" would've been good ?Haha that is what I meant, oops...
It's possible, yes. But most likely the user will have a muzzle brake or suppressor already on it, so tightening the barrel on 'hand tight' shouldn't be too bad to do. A wrench flat tool will be difficult because if the flats are aligned horizontally, it will be really hard to get anything in the chassis channel to go around the flats. If the flats ended up aligned vertically it would be super easy to get a tool in.@samb300 , could you make a barrel installation tool that’s threaded 5/8-24 (or whatever thread the barrel is) hat screws onto the muzzle, install the barrel and torque to 49in lbs and then remove the install tool. Maybe put wrench flats on it?
The prototypes were 6061, but I am considering 7075 for the production chassis due to the NV Bridge hardware threading into the chassis with the revised design.Hi,
@samb300
I have forgotten what aluminum you are using for the production batch; 7075 or 6061?
Looking forward to meeting with you at Shot Show.
Sincerely,
Theis
How many different barrels/calibers/magazines have you tried with the chassis, I am looking at the .223 conversion thread, looks like a modded MDT, that works with the AT and AX short action, concerned about tolerance stacking. Does your chassis run all the 6mm flavored magazines and their modifications or only AI factory magazines?The prototypes were 6061, but I am considering 7075 for the production chassis due to the NV Bridge hardware threading into the chassis with the revised design.
My magazine aperture is made per AI dimensional specs. It is the same as the AT and AX in terms of size, and uses the AT magazine catch, spring, and dowel. It is designed to be plug and play with factory AW magazines, exactly as a factory AT rifle would be.How many different barrels/calibers/magazines have you tried with the chassis, I am looking at the .223 conversion thread, looks like a modded MDT, that works with the AT and AX short action, concerned about tolerance stacking. Does your chassis run all the 6mm flavored magazines and their modifications or only AI factory magazines?
I’ve run the MDT, AI polymer & Accurate mags with my favorite being the Accurate, just cause they feed smoother. The AI mag works well but I started to have the feed lips loosen up.How many different barrels/calibers/magazines have you tried with the chassis, I am looking at the .223 conversion thread, looks like a modded MDT, that works with the AT and AX short action, concerned about tolerance stacking. Does your chassis run all the 6mm flavored magazines and their modifications or only AI factory magazines?
That lower profile is another good selling point @samb300.
It’s only when I tried shooting my AT through a small barricade aperture in a precison rifle practice event that I realised how ‘tall’ the AT sits compared to my 700 in a Whiskey 3 chassis.
Exactly. Especially with an AX where you’re likely to have the tall action rail and 1.5” tall scope rings in order to clear the continuous forend pic rail on top of the handguard tube. I’ve been bit quite a few times by smaller port holes and even closely spaced barricade and cattle gate rungs.That lower profile is another good selling point @samb300.
It’s only when I tried shooting my AT through a small barricade aperture in a precison rifle practice event that I realised how ‘tall’ the AT sits compared to my 700 in a Whiskey 3 chassis.
I just bought an AXMC....I still have an AT....looking to be upgraded.
Have you shopped the Firearms- classified on this forum. Some dude is selling an AT in an MPA and the original AT chassis for $3800. For that price you get to try both aftermarket chassis.
Just went and found it. Sadly not a caliber I’m interested in. And I know I could just buy another barrel. But I think it will be a great deal for another buyer.Have you shopped the Firearms- classified on this forum. Some dude is selling an AT in an MPA and the original AT chassis for $3800. For that price you get to try both aftermarket chassis.
Just went and found it. Sadly not a caliber I’m interested in. And I know I could just buy another barrel. But I think it will be a great deal for another buyer.
I’m not interested in either caliber and I already have an AT LE. If I had the coin right now it would be mine.
The barrel can be sold off and if you didn’t like the MPA chassis it could be sold off to pay for for an AX stock. Then once assembled to AT LE specs the factory folder can be sold off.
Oh and there’s a 16.75” .308 barrel for sale on the PX as well.