Suppressors Is a suppressor worth it if you need to wear ear pro anyway
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The only things I don’t suppress are my my revolvers, shotguns and knives…
Same. They only ones I’ll shoot unsuppressed is one That’s not threaded…Yet.
Now just wait a minute. The fact that it has been done incorrectly by many for a long time does not make it correct.
IDGAF what new-age bullshit M.W. is spouting.
Right on! If you want to get pissed at irritating language ambiguity, look up the ways “if not” is used. There seems to be no correct consensus, anywhere. Can totally change a sentence’s meaning. Gets me salty!
Here’s a fake paragraph I made with some crap that riles me up. Find the shit words/phrases! Some are real words that suck, others are actually not words!
“First, I poured the inflammable liquid all over my baby to protect him, if not to love him. Lighting up a fag, I was surprised when my baby ignited. Irregardless of my intent, a crispy critter was the result. I could care less.”
All right you maniacs. I ordered one and will probably buy another before the week is out. I hope you are all happy with yourselves!
I have been shooting suppressed, on every rifle and pistol for 6 years. I recently switched over my mounting to the Area 419 hell fire universals. While purchasing, I said why not and ordered their brake. Fired 5 shots with it, took it off and put it back in the range bag.
If your state allows, buy a suppressor. It is definitely worth it, even while wearing ear protection.
If your state allows, buy a suppressor. It is definitely worth it, even while wearing ear protection.
I AM a suppressor snob.
And I AM a Grammar Nazi. It bugs me. I generally don't point it out in Internet forums. Never once while taking English in school did I ever think that I would be so intrigued by spelling and grammar as an adult. I thinks it's part of a mental illness like OCD. CDO. You get it...
And I AM a Grammar Nazi. It bugs me. I generally don't point it out in Internet forums. Never once while taking English in school did I ever think that I would be so intrigued by spelling and grammar as an adult. I thinks it's part of a mental illness like OCD. CDO. You get it...
That is painful to read.Right on! If you want to get pissed at irritating language ambiguity, look up the ways “if not” is used. There seems to be no correct consensus, anywhere. Can totally change a sentence’s meaning. Gets me salty!
Here’s a fake paragraph I made with some crap that riles me up. Find the shit words/phrases! Some are real words that suck, others are actually not words!
“First, I poured the inflammable liquid all over my baby to protect him, if not to love him. Lighting up a fag, I was surprised when my baby ignited. Irregardless of my intent, a crispy critter was the result. I could care less.”
Hi,
Irregardless of what has been done in the past, I believe you are right.
Sincerely,
J-Ham
Well, I have gone from having 0 suppressors to having two on order in the space of three days. Now I need to have an opinion on suppressing a gas gun as a left-handed shooter. (I'm sure it sucks)
A piston rifle would be about the only way I’d want to shoot a gas gun left handed. Otherwise a tuned gas block can make a big difference. But you will have gas in your face regardless.
Yeah, I was thinking either a piston or build a left-hand upper but that seems like such a pain in the tail the piston may be the better bet.
Well, which 2 cans did you buy, and then we can give you better insight as to what we recommend. For the AR platform, it's hard to beat the Sandman-S as a do-all can. It's one of the least gassy (according to PEW Science), and one of the best sounding cans (deep tone), and it's rated for full-auto no barrel length restrictions, all the way up to .300 WinMag.
I have 2 of them in my lineup. Great cans.
As for the piston vs. DGI... That's the same for R or L handed shooters... Piston is the way to go. My old LWRC M6A1 is almost like shooting a bolt-action without all that gas in the face, and without all that port-pop right by your ear. It still has it, it's just up by the gas block where the piston vents, so you don't ever hear it.
I went with a TBAC Dominus-SR and a TBAC 338 Ultra G2 SR. The latter will live on my bolt gun. The former was available at a local retailer and would allow me to use the SR mounts for everything.
So if you're looking for a dedicated AR can, I'd go with the Sandman-S, and use the Dead Air KeyMount Brakes on them. That's the setup I run on all mine. Highly recommend it. It's the best mix of length, weight, and sound-suppression.
SilencerCo JUST released a charging handle for that.
SilencerCo Gas Defeating Charging Handle (GDCH)
The GDCH has a proprietary design that incorporates an O-ring seal to prevent gas from escaping from the most prominent point of egress.
silencerco.com
Cool. Sadly, I also need to worry about the gas coming out the ejection port since due to a cruel twist of fate my face needs to be there.SilencerCo JUST released a charging handle for that.
SilencerCo Gas Defeating Charging Handle (GDCH)
The GDCH has a proprietary design that incorporates an O-ring seal to prevent gas from escaping from the most prominent point of egress.
You are probably right, the other wrinkle is the gas guns I own don't have adjustable gas blocks (LMT/KAC) and while I could change out the blocks that seems like heresy, or at least a pain in the tail and a good way to harm resale value.
Even right handed, even pistons with tuned gas systems (my SIG 556/551) you will sometimes get gas face. It is pungent stuff but more irritating than choking, so you blink a bit but then go on. Even just changing your shooting glasses to something more wraparound can help.
For Stoner action* guns, even overgassed ones, most shooting when standing, with normal outdoor airflow, is just fine. Yes, I have shot left handed some even, and it's not much worse. Gas under pressure comes back so do the silicone trick on the charging handle (I have been much less impressed with gasbuster handles) but out the ejector port seems to be vented after the pressure has been used, so you get gassed just /after/ the shooting, and especially if prone on the ground.
All is replaceable or wrenchable so try it and see how much it annoys you.
* They are NOT "direct impingement" like the MAS49, etc. Normal ARs are indeed gas piston operated, it is just that the bolt carrier assembly IS the piston.
For Stoner action* guns, even overgassed ones, most shooting when standing, with normal outdoor airflow, is just fine. Yes, I have shot left handed some even, and it's not much worse. Gas under pressure comes back so do the silicone trick on the charging handle (I have been much less impressed with gasbuster handles) but out the ejector port seems to be vented after the pressure has been used, so you get gassed just /after/ the shooting, and especially if prone on the ground.
All is replaceable or wrenchable so try it and see how much it annoys you.
* They are NOT "direct impingement" like the MAS49, etc. Normal ARs are indeed gas piston operated, it is just that the bolt carrier assembly IS the piston.
Love my can, but I want a brake to run too. When I’m the only guy who shows up with a can whats the point? Sucked when I didn’t have a can and everyone’s else’s did.
Options are nice, and if you’re blasting me in the face with muzzle blast I want to return the favor. The shorter length would be nice sometimes too.
Options are nice, and if you’re blasting me in the face with muzzle blast I want to return the favor. The shorter length would be nice sometimes too.
My opinion is not a popular one. I think suppressors are worthless unless you run them with subs.
All cans I’ve used have a decent shift.
They make a decent maneuverable rifle into something long.
Extra cleaning required.
Extra tuning required.
With NV they do help a lot. But I’ve seen a lot that do worse on flash the many prong hiders.
Many of the guys I shoot with love em! And realize my concerns or dislikes aren’t always there concerns.
All cans I’ve used have a decent shift.
They make a decent maneuverable rifle into something long.
Extra cleaning required.
Extra tuning required.
With NV they do help a lot. But I’ve seen a lot that do worse on flash the many prong hiders.
Many of the guys I shoot with love em! And realize my concerns or dislikes aren’t always there concerns.
My poi moves about 2”, the rifle is only shot suppressed and took I think 7 patches to have one come out clean and I rarely clean my barrel.
The biggest benefit is it’s just a more pleas t shooting experience. I’d rather deal with a shift that can be accounted for than be the only guy out of 7 on a line shooting unsuppressed. It’s downright miserable being close to guns these days with the brakes we all use
When I go to public ranges I like to set up on the middle bench and shoot suppressed with my AI.
While everyone else runs their brakes. They get this warm comfy feeling shooting next to me. It’s great!!!!
Then while they’re finger fucking each other’s guns back by their trucks I take out my AR50A1 and let a 750 grain Amax clear their benches
Fuckin suck it you suppressorless bitches!!!!!!!
I then enjoy watching the range peasants pick up pieces of vortex scopes among the carnage of savage axis’s and Mossberg patriots that litter the ground
Ok I made part of that up. But them picking up pieces of broken vortex scopes is 100% true.
Suppressors on a bolt gun is a wonderful thing. Personally I shoot both suppressed and not on AR platforms. Either way requires ear pro. Hunting with a suppressed AR is nicer than not but you add length which can be a downfall. I don’t use ear pro while hunting
While everyone else runs their brakes. They get this warm comfy feeling shooting next to me. It’s great!!!!
Then while they’re finger fucking each other’s guns back by their trucks I take out my AR50A1 and let a 750 grain Amax clear their benches
Fuckin suck it you suppressorless bitches!!!!!!!
I then enjoy watching the range peasants pick up pieces of vortex scopes among the carnage of savage axis’s and Mossberg patriots that litter the ground
Ok I made part of that up. But them picking up pieces of broken vortex scopes is 100% true.
Suppressors on a bolt gun is a wonderful thing. Personally I shoot both suppressed and not on AR platforms. Either way requires ear pro. Hunting with a suppressed AR is nicer than not but you add length which can be a downfall. I don’t use ear pro while hunting
We loved when people decided to sit right next to us and my buddy has his .50 out. It’s like urinals if they aren’t all taken leave a gap.When I go to public ranges I like to set up on the middle bench and shoot suppressed with my AI.
While everyone else runs their brakes. They get this warm comfy feeling shooting next to me. It’s great!!!!
Then while they’re finger fucking each other’s guns back by their trucks I take out my AR50A1 and let a 750 grain Amax clear their benches
Fuckin suck it you suppressorless bitches!!!!!!!
I then enjoy watching the range peasants pick up pieces of vortex scopes among the carnage of savage axis’s and Mossberg patriots that litter the ground
Ok I made part of that up. But them picking up pieces of broken vortex scopes is 100% true.
Suppressors on a bolt gun is a wonderful thing. Personally I shoot both suppressed and not on AR platforms. Either way requires ear pro. Hunting with a suppressed AR is nicer than not but you add length which can be a downfall. I don’t use ear pro while hunting
Just had to chime in and say that I used to run the Fat Bastard on my 6.5-06 AI, but once I shot it suppressed, the brake came off. The suppressor makes a much better brake, and you don't get all the blast that the brake caused. It really makes for a much more pleasant day of shooting. I also still wear ear pro when shooting that gun, but man are they fun when you're shooting subsonic stuff!
It’s ridiculous how quiet my 308 is with 180gr subs. Shooting steel is way more fun whenever it’s “pssh, CLANG!”
I'll go against the grain here. I think for a range, what's the point. I just outdoors ( not range) except pistol, and its the ONLY way to go. But I wouldn't fck with a can at a range, that's just me. But outdoors solo, 100000% can.
Also a can will change your recoil impulse and you may like your brake better, flatter and smoother with a can.
PB
Also a can will change your recoil impulse and you may like your brake better, flatter and smoother with a can.
PB
Always a good idea to wear ear pro even when running a can. Best thing to do is invest in some good ear pro so you are more inclinded to wear them. Hearing is one thing you cant get back when its gone. I have high pitch hearing loss in my right ear and has got me very careful. I wear Peltor Comtac V now which are great for situational awareness and conversations on the range. I run cans on all of my guns but as others have stated not everyone has cans on their guns at the range and you need to protect your hearing whenever you can.
TK
TK
Unless running subsonics, shooting with suppressors can lead to hearing loss without additional protection.
If I am shooting suppressed, I will wear my MSA Sordin's. If shooting unsuppressed, I will also wear plugs under those muffs.
I find that shooting suppressed at a range is still worth it, however the benefits dwindle the closer you are to other shooters. But I much prefer my suppressed rifle over a braked one, even if I am next to other braked shooters (which sucks, especially when shooting in an area that's partially to fully enclosed).
If I am shooting suppressed, I will wear my MSA Sordin's. If shooting unsuppressed, I will also wear plugs under those muffs.
I find that shooting suppressed at a range is still worth it, however the benefits dwindle the closer you are to other shooters. But I much prefer my suppressed rifle over a braked one, even if I am next to other braked shooters (which sucks, especially when shooting in an area that's partially to fully enclosed).
I have two cans a Dead air SandmanL 30 cal. and a 338 thunder beast ultra and use them on all my rifles...but I dont go to ranges I shoot on ranches in south Florida.
I will join the band. Yes. It’s definitely worth it. I’m sure I’m not the only one in this string to say it, but it can be addicting.
i don't have a reason to hang half a pound off the end of my rifle.
used a DPt and a hardy pretty heavily in New zealand for the novelty factor when i was living over there. the last trip i didn't even bother. although the DPT overbarrel on the tikka was pretty fun.
get some length to ur rifle, use a faster burning powder on an underbore cartridge and keep ur 200$. my .02.
used a DPt and a hardy pretty heavily in New zealand for the novelty factor when i was living over there. the last trip i didn't even bother. although the DPT overbarrel on the tikka was pretty fun.
get some length to ur rifle, use a faster burning powder on an underbore cartridge and keep ur 200$. my .02.
Totally worth it.
the main problem you have is your FAT BASTARD brake
I had a "lil" bastard... and it was punishing- great recoil reduction but I swear it sends it straight back to the shooter
only owned 2 other brakes and they weren't nearly as bad; other brakes I've shot didn't seem as bad as mine was
screw off your FB and see how much of a difference it makes bare muzzle for you in comparison
then realize that difference x4 or more with a quality suppressor
Thunderbeast makes good suppressors
Yes, a suppressor is worth it.
The POI is changed, but it is also consistent. So if you always shoot suppressed, it's a non issue. Otherwise, you just compensate in your ballistic software for your bare & suppressed POA/POI
the main problem you have is your FAT BASTARD brake
I had a "lil" bastard... and it was punishing- great recoil reduction but I swear it sends it straight back to the shooter
only owned 2 other brakes and they weren't nearly as bad; other brakes I've shot didn't seem as bad as mine was
screw off your FB and see how much of a difference it makes bare muzzle for you in comparison
then realize that difference x4 or more with a quality suppressor
Thunderbeast makes good suppressors
Yes, a suppressor is worth it.
The POI is changed, but it is also consistent. So if you always shoot suppressed, it's a non issue. Otherwise, you just compensate in your ballistic software for your bare & suppressed POA/POI
Wrong answer. Correct answer - If your state doesn't allow suppressed, MOVE.
I’m going to go slightly against the grain. Suppressors make a short gun into a long gun, and a long gun into a pike. And, the throw off the balance if not accounted for during the build. Your adding roughly a pound to the very end of your gun. I have a few suppressors and shoot suppressed most of the time. I don’t use a suppressor for games like PRS, where longer is less wieldy moving amongst contrived props.
I totally envisioned a bayonet attached under the suppressor when reading this.
I shoot both. Prs matches I mostly shoot with a brake. Practice suppressed. I personally shoot better suppressed. The concussion is hard for me to focus knowing it’s coming. I know I know, I’m a puss.
I also wear ear pro even when suppressed unless it’s hunting.
Shooting all day suppressed I don’t feel worn down and beat up and can perform much better for longer.
A day around braked guns like a match and I’m worn out and usually have a headache. I wear double ears most of the time.
I also wear ear pro even when suppressed unless it’s hunting.
Shooting all day suppressed I don’t feel worn down and beat up and can perform much better for longer.
A day around braked guns like a match and I’m worn out and usually have a headache. I wear double ears most of the time.
+1000
I had actually forgotten how unpleasant rifles are until I went to this LR workshop last year. Under a metal roof, maybe 2 other suppressed guns. Some WinMags with brakes to boot. I make barricades from my gear to make it tolerable, still was so tired after a full day of that I just needed a dark room and silence.
I have known people who worked for mfgs, contract providers, spend all day shooting things like .50s. When they get suppressed: a delight, instead of laying on the gravel trying not to cry after 8 hours of testing
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