I went into a local gun store and saw NC Star shite on the shelf. Personally I consider it immoral to sell crap products. Caveat emptor and all only goes so far. I will only sell something if I know it will perform as intended for the user, OR if I advertise it as broken/inoperable/scrap/junk. I would NOT ever sell a customer NC Star garbage because that is the equivalent of stealing from retards at the asylum.
Rifle Scopes Is selling NC Star products immoral?
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Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling. To answer the OP's question. Yes it is immoral. Just like having sex with a mentally hadicapped girl. Just because she lets you don't make it right.
One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling. To answer the OP's question. Yes it is immoral. Just like having sex with a mentally hadicapped girl. Just because she lets you don't make it right.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling. To answer the OP's question. Yes it is immoral. Just like having sex with a mentally hadicapped girl. Just because she lets you don't make it right.</div></div>
LMAO...!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling. To answer the OP's question. Yes it is immoral. Just like having sex with a mentally hadicapped girl. Just because she lets you don't make it right.</div></div>
LMAO...!
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling. To answer the OP's question. Yes it is immoral. Just like having sex with a mentally hadicapped girl. Just because she lets you don't make it right.</div></div>
LMAO...! </div></div>
HA!!! That's good stuff right there!!
Seriously...dealers stock what dealers can sell regardless of any "morality implications" of the products (with some exceptions of course). Just because any educated, reasonably-minded consumer should be able to do their due diligence and determine what products are great and what products are shite doesn't mean that they actually do it. If the average American consumer isn't intelligent enough to know that companies like NcStar, BSA, CounterSniper and similar ilk produce garbage products and they want to continue wasting their hard-earned dollars on them...so be it!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling. To answer the OP's question. Yes it is immoral. Just like having sex with a mentally hadicapped girl. Just because she lets you don't make it right.</div></div>
LMAO...! </div></div>
HA!!! That's good stuff right there!!
Seriously...dealers stock what dealers can sell regardless of any "morality implications" of the products (with some exceptions of course). Just because any educated, reasonably-minded consumer should be able to do their due diligence and determine what products are great and what products are shite doesn't mean that they actually do it. If the average American consumer isn't intelligent enough to know that companies like NcStar, BSA, CounterSniper and similar ilk produce garbage products and they want to continue wasting their hard-earned dollars on them...so be it!!
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
I saw one at cheaper than dirt. Clearance : elevation does not work.....
I saw one at cheaper than dirt. Clearance : elevation does not work.....
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
As long as you were in an Airsoft gun store, I don't think it was immoral at all...I mean, it was an Airsoft gun store right? To the OP, I agree- NCStar stuff belongs in the toys section or on an Airsoft rifle.
As long as you were in an Airsoft gun store, I don't think it was immoral at all...I mean, it was an Airsoft gun store right? To the OP, I agree- NCStar stuff belongs in the toys section or on an Airsoft rifle.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
Joe Lunchbox does not want to spend 850 to 2500 dollars for a scope. They want to spend 70 or 80 bucks.
Of course, I've watched those guys trying to zero their rifles at 100 yards and were unable to do it. I sometimes tell them it is because of their scope, but I usually stay mum, just because I do not want to embarass them.
There ARE decent budget scopes out there, Mueller comes to mind as does Nikon and Bushnell.
I understand the desire to be thrifty, iv'e done it. i have been lucky. I had one Mueller scope crap out on me. I sent it back and they sent me a brand new onw, no questions.
The thing is, on some of these scopes, the glass is actually pretty decent but the internals are total crap.
So, if you are Joe, tooling around at the gunshow with 150 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, you pick up an NC Star scope and look through it and it seems just as good as the 300 Buckmaster or VX1, what are you going to do, You are going to buy the NC Star.
Companies wouldn't sell them if folks didn't buy them. Kudo's to the business owners that won't carry crap that would be a waste of money.
Joe Lunchbox does not want to spend 850 to 2500 dollars for a scope. They want to spend 70 or 80 bucks.
Of course, I've watched those guys trying to zero their rifles at 100 yards and were unable to do it. I sometimes tell them it is because of their scope, but I usually stay mum, just because I do not want to embarass them.
There ARE decent budget scopes out there, Mueller comes to mind as does Nikon and Bushnell.
I understand the desire to be thrifty, iv'e done it. i have been lucky. I had one Mueller scope crap out on me. I sent it back and they sent me a brand new onw, no questions.
The thing is, on some of these scopes, the glass is actually pretty decent but the internals are total crap.
So, if you are Joe, tooling around at the gunshow with 150 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, you pick up an NC Star scope and look through it and it seems just as good as the 300 Buckmaster or VX1, what are you going to do, You are going to buy the NC Star.
Companies wouldn't sell them if folks didn't buy them. Kudo's to the business owners that won't carry crap that would be a waste of money.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
to answer the OP, it is only immoral if you peddle them as just as good as the higher end products. There is a market for everything.
to answer the OP, it is only immoral if you peddle them as just as good as the higher end products. There is a market for everything.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
the market is full of sub-par products, not just rifle scopes but in every single retail corner... it's up to the consumer to make a decision and so long as there isn't deceptive claims about a products capability then sell away.
the market is full of sub-par products, not just rifle scopes but in every single retail corner... it's up to the consumer to make a decision and so long as there isn't deceptive claims about a products capability then sell away.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling.</span> </div></div>
You know...you could make the same analogy of beers and Budweiser, Miller, Coors, (insert other flavorless, lowest common denominator beer here) which are total flavorless, industrial shit, and the mindless "tards" who due to cost, advertising, etc. buy them.
Funny thing is...if we took a poll here of peoples favorite beers, who do you think the top contenders would be?
Hahaha...
(just some food for thought)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling.</span> </div></div>
You know...you could make the same analogy of beers and Budweiser, Miller, Coors, (insert other flavorless, lowest common denominator beer here) which are total flavorless, industrial shit, and the mindless "tards" who due to cost, advertising, etc. buy them.
Funny thing is...if we took a poll here of peoples favorite beers, who do you think the top contenders would be?
Hahaha...
(just some food for thought)
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keyser Söze</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling.</span> </div></div>
You know...you could make the same analogy of beers and Budweiser, Miller, Coors, (insert other flavorless, lowest common denominator beer here) which are total flavorless, industrial shit, and the mindless "tards" who due to cost, advertising, etc. buy them.
Funny thing is...if we took a poll here of peoples favorite beers, who do you think the top contenders would be?
Hahaha...
(just some food for thought) </div></div>
+1 Exactly...selling (and buying) low-cost, low-quality is not a moral issue, it's the market one. The OP should really <span style="text-decoration: line-through">take</span> review Econ 101.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keyser Söze</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meat Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">One of the best selling scopes in the world is BSA. They are total junk and the dealers know it but the tards that don't know any better keep buying so the dealers keep selling.</span> </div></div>
You know...you could make the same analogy of beers and Budweiser, Miller, Coors, (insert other flavorless, lowest common denominator beer here) which are total flavorless, industrial shit, and the mindless "tards" who due to cost, advertising, etc. buy them.
Funny thing is...if we took a poll here of peoples favorite beers, who do you think the top contenders would be?
Hahaha...
(just some food for thought) </div></div>
+1 Exactly...selling (and buying) low-cost, low-quality is not a moral issue, it's the market one. The OP should really <span style="text-decoration: line-through">take</span> review Econ 101.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
There is a market, not defending the product, but just as there are some who will not put a $70 scope on a $1000 sub-moa rifle. Others will not put a $1000 scope on a $70 4 moa rifle; some mil-surps come to mind.
There is a market, not defending the product, but just as there are some who will not put a $70 scope on a $1000 sub-moa rifle. Others will not put a $1000 scope on a $70 4 moa rifle; some mil-surps come to mind.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
This is a funny topic. I know quit a few guys that keep the market up with shitty scope because they believe in them. They look at my scope like the Swfa scopes and say dammmmm! But are not willing to cry once for a good scope. Just makes me laugh. And like posted before these people keep the market going for the cheap shit!
This is a funny topic. I know quit a few guys that keep the market up with shitty scope because they believe in them. They look at my scope like the Swfa scopes and say dammmmm! But are not willing to cry once for a good scope. Just makes me laugh. And like posted before these people keep the market going for the cheap shit!
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
well not everyone can afford a high end scope or even being well versed in optics.
I'm sure we all learn somewhere. Sometimes those lessons are expensive
Gilbert
well not everyone can afford a high end scope or even being well versed in optics.
I'm sure we all learn somewhere. Sometimes those lessons are expensive
Gilbert
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
if its immoral than selling countersniper is a mortal sin
if its immoral than selling countersniper is a mortal sin
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
Directly from their catalog for the "Honor" - which is a 3-12 30mm scope w/ illumination.
"Rated to withstand Air Gun Dual Recoil."
Damn that's some abuse.
Directly from their catalog for the "Honor" - which is a 3-12 30mm scope w/ illumination.
"Rated to withstand Air Gun Dual Recoil."
Damn that's some abuse.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
There are also some "good" Brands,( I'm not calling them out by name, as it would make some jump up and down while P*(&^on themselves) that market some really low end cheap crap, maybe even worse than NC Star, I don't know if making really crappy scopes, putting your name on them, while also offering at a much higher price a much better quality scope puts you "above" someone not worried about putting their name on nothing but low end products. Someone is buying this stuff, don't blame the makers, blame the buyers.
There are also some "good" Brands,( I'm not calling them out by name, as it would make some jump up and down while P*(&^on themselves) that market some really low end cheap crap, maybe even worse than NC Star, I don't know if making really crappy scopes, putting your name on them, while also offering at a much higher price a much better quality scope puts you "above" someone not worried about putting their name on nothing but low end products. Someone is buying this stuff, don't blame the makers, blame the buyers.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went into a local gun store and saw NC Star shite on the shelf. Personally I consider it immoral to sell crap products. Caveat emptor and all only goes so far. I will only sell something if I know it will perform as intended for the user, OR if I advertise it as broken/inoperable/scrap/junk. I would NOT ever sell a customer NC Star garbage because that is the equivalent of stealing from retards at the asylum. </div></div>
Well said. They keep calling me and trying to get me to buy and I keep telling them no.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went into a local gun store and saw NC Star shite on the shelf. Personally I consider it immoral to sell crap products. Caveat emptor and all only goes so far. I will only sell something if I know it will perform as intended for the user, OR if I advertise it as broken/inoperable/scrap/junk. I would NOT ever sell a customer NC Star garbage because that is the equivalent of stealing from retards at the asylum. </div></div>
Well said. They keep calling me and trying to get me to buy and I keep telling them no.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went into a local gun store and saw NC Star shite on the shelf. Personally I consider it immoral to sell crap products. Caveat emptor and all only goes so far. I will only sell something if I know it will perform as intended for the user, OR if I advertise it as broken/inoperable/scrap/junk. I would NOT ever sell a customer NC Star garbage because that is the equivalent of stealing from retards at the asylum. </div></div>
I wouldn't sell it if I owned a gun shop. Not for moral reasons though. I would think it would undercut my sells of lower end decent scopes (the 200$ish scope price range). I wouldn't find it immoral to sell the products though. NCstar has it's place. For the people that can't tell the difference and are only going to ever fire 1 box of ammo through thier weapon and place it on a shelf for 20 years, it's a good buy. For people who are simply stupid, I don't have a problem selling it to either. Those that are actually mentally retarded, not just fucking idiots, I wouldn't sell to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went into a local gun store and saw NC Star shite on the shelf. Personally I consider it immoral to sell crap products. Caveat emptor and all only goes so far. I will only sell something if I know it will perform as intended for the user, OR if I advertise it as broken/inoperable/scrap/junk. I would NOT ever sell a customer NC Star garbage because that is the equivalent of stealing from retards at the asylum. </div></div>
I wouldn't sell it if I owned a gun shop. Not for moral reasons though. I would think it would undercut my sells of lower end decent scopes (the 200$ish scope price range). I wouldn't find it immoral to sell the products though. NCstar has it's place. For the people that can't tell the difference and are only going to ever fire 1 box of ammo through thier weapon and place it on a shelf for 20 years, it's a good buy. For people who are simply stupid, I don't have a problem selling it to either. Those that are actually mentally retarded, not just fucking idiots, I wouldn't sell to.
Re: Is selling NC Star products immoral?
While I do not own any NC Star optics I do have one green laser from them and its well built. I would not bat an eye at selling them but I would not sell their optics for guns. I have never looked through their spotters, I hear they are not as bad as their other optics.
While I do not own any NC Star optics I do have one green laser from them and its well built. I would not bat an eye at selling them but I would not sell their optics for guns. I have never looked through their spotters, I hear they are not as bad as their other optics.
