We've abused that and half the other countries are now looking for an alternative to our system. Once that control is gone, we'll be another third rate shithole dreaming about our past days as an empire. At least we'll get to see an end to the days of endless spending/debt.
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Is Something Happening with Nord Stream 1 and 2 under the Baltic Sea?
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you can only be number 2 when there is a new number 1.
as we can see:
EU: as we can see they cant handle anything with out the US being big brother
Russia: paper tiger
India: hopeless
China: no one trust them or more importantly their monetary policy
there is no single or group of countries that count more than those 4
saying the US is faltering enough to loose its position, is like saying "fire the head coach"
great idea but you have to hire a new coach, firing is easy...now you still have to get the job done
if they dump the US system, what system are they going to?....thats why they are still here and why they all havnt jumped ship over the last 50 years
Its hard to build a new ship when someone comes and destroys it, so you don’t leave their ship.
Ww2 made US a global powerhouse. Rinse repeat.
Keep everyone fighting each other, keep the money. Kinda like don king.
Rome won't fall because there's nothing to replace it.
The new global order the Global Elites are paving the way for, with a new all electronic global banking system that has complete control down to your wallet.
They are all talking about it, you can read the plans for it everywhere, they aren't hiding it, they don't need to, they are preparing people for it.
That slogan they kept putting out about you will own nothing and you will be happy wasn't just a coincidence.
All that remains is a nice global economic collapse, hunger, cold and a good kickstart of serious war, and then the people will be ready to accept the true path...
exactly, people think if the US becomes #2 overnight we will vanish from the face of the planet
we tighten our purse strings and stop playing big brother...whos going to stay #1 for very long, no one
"Heavy is the crown"
we make countries pay to play, but they think like us already
china does the same but they want control of the land to exploit resources and you...france is not putting a picture of Mao over the mona lisa
we want you to think and vote like us which isnt that different, so they are willing to play
exactly...
after rome fell what happened....1200 years of poverty
rome had indoor plumbing yet the kings of england still shit in a pot 1000 years later
no one is going to let that happen, because the new boss is now the boss of a shit show
its a lot smarter to be #2 in heaven than #1 in hell
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My comments from US NG PL operations.
Pigs we ran in NG offshore service were sphere's. Round hard rubber type material with a hollow core. There is a tire type valve molded in the body to pressure the core to "size" the pig to the pipe ID. This ensure it is tight fit/seal and clears liquids out of the pipe. There is no way to put anything in that type pig. You could put a liquid in it but the core on that diameter pig may be a max of 12-18"? Our offshore to onshore pig traps were never designed to run cup or steel body pigs. That was pretty typical for offshore GOM design.
There are some pigs that can be ordered with tracking transmitters installed but I have no experience with them offshore. Not sure they would work offshore because you would have to track them with a boat a sled. Normally you use them for tracking a pig onshore to know it passes specific points. Or locate of lost.
You NEVER launch a pig if you think the gas flow will be shut off. You do not want to let the pig sit in the pipe. The pig can lose pressure over time and you lose the seal. That is a VERY bad situation! I was tasked in getting an "unknown number" of pigs out of a 24". Ended up 13 pigs in various states of collapse.
I don't know of any reason you would launch 2 pigs some time period apart (NS1 with 2 failure points) unless it was planned. You always want 1 in and 1 out before you launch again. I don't know the NS flow rates but that pig run was probably several days from launch to receive.
We typically had a rack of pigs. If something came in from a different vendor (if something was in the pig) that would raise suspicions. We were very particular who our pig vendors were. You build a trust with vendors that supply quality and support you when you need things quickly.
Pigs we ran in NG offshore service were sphere's. Round hard rubber type material with a hollow core. There is a tire type valve molded in the body to pressure the core to "size" the pig to the pipe ID. This ensure it is tight fit/seal and clears liquids out of the pipe. There is no way to put anything in that type pig. You could put a liquid in it but the core on that diameter pig may be a max of 12-18"? Our offshore to onshore pig traps were never designed to run cup or steel body pigs. That was pretty typical for offshore GOM design.
There are some pigs that can be ordered with tracking transmitters installed but I have no experience with them offshore. Not sure they would work offshore because you would have to track them with a boat a sled. Normally you use them for tracking a pig onshore to know it passes specific points. Or locate of lost.
You NEVER launch a pig if you think the gas flow will be shut off. You do not want to let the pig sit in the pipe. The pig can lose pressure over time and you lose the seal. That is a VERY bad situation! I was tasked in getting an "unknown number" of pigs out of a 24". Ended up 13 pigs in various states of collapse.
I don't know of any reason you would launch 2 pigs some time period apart (NS1 with 2 failure points) unless it was planned. You always want 1 in and 1 out before you launch again. I don't know the NS flow rates but that pig run was probably several days from launch to receive.
We typically had a rack of pigs. If something came in from a different vendor (if something was in the pig) that would raise suspicions. We were very particular who our pig vendors were. You build a trust with vendors that supply quality and support you when you need things quickly.
not so sure
regardless of the "Elites" and that point of view
if the global economy gets to bad, all that has to happens is all countries agree to make a new economy.
if the entire world is a shit show, and no one wants to call in the bank notes because that will cause a domino effect
they just wont do it, and everyone can go along fat and happy again
once everyone realizes the economy is fake and really has no rules, its easy to make new rules and not follow the old ones
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That makes zero sense. He can turn it off if he wants to:
Putin shuts off EU’s Nord Stream gas supply
Gazprom says equipment has to be taken offline until it is repaired.
www.politico.eu
The only options that make sense are 1) sabotage by a western power, likely USA based on that Polish MEP's idiotic post or 2) pipeline failure of some sort. 50/50 between the two.
Russian President Vladimir Putin to annex 4 Ukrainian regions in Friday ceremony
Russia President Vladimir Putin will begin annexing four Ukrainian regions Friday following a self-run referendum that the West and Kyiv have decried as a sham.
www.foxnews.com
No pipeline failure, this was sabotage and everything points to that. The big question is why is everyone blaming Russia for it. What would Russia have to gain by blowing up the pipelines? There's nothing I can see that they could gain. However, I can see that as a huge loss. Doesn't make sense for Russia to destroy the pipelines. It does makes sense for the US to destroy them.
Agreed - Doesn't make sense for Russia to do it.. Only a few people know the truth. Common sense says, why would Russia do it, if they have the on and off switch.
Unless Russia is looking for an excuse to turn up the heat (which they don't). Russia doesn't care what the world thinks and never has.
Reichstag fire
I'm going with post 213. What the Dems say, believe the opposite.
Just like any IG pipeline valves were bid but during bidding process the valves were Value Engineered out to save costs, ask any plumber
Notice that this is receiving basically no coverage in western media???
Kinda telling...
Kinda telling...
4th leak being reported.
news.sky.com
Repair job just got way larger.
Fourth leak revealed on Nord Stream pipelines as Russia denies sabotage
Teams with underwater drones are expected to investigate but it could take a week or so before it's safe enough to begin. Russia has denied it sabotaged the pipelines.
news.sky.com
Repair job just got way larger.
Lol BBC... closed indefinitely because of leaks...
Their wording on this is just ridiculous.
This waterway is highly monitored by hi res satellite footage, seafloor monitors, acoustically for engine noise, and much otherwise. And it's not very deep. Each craft that has ever been in the area for years is therefore well known, by name, flag, capabilites, business there, where it came from and where it went, and in all other aspects. So, you and I may be guessing who did it, but the powers that be actually know, but they just haven't decided to tell us serfs that yet. We may never know, but they do. Instead, they are all chatting, getting their ducks in order.
Heck, it might have been a lost north Korean fishing boat fishing with c4. Haha.
Who actually owns or paid for this thing? Obviously this project has proprty damge insurance on it or it could not have been built, probably a policy issued by a Lloyds' consortium. So who gets the proceeds if it's destroyed, that is, who has the insurable interest? The western countries keep referring to the pipeline(s) as "our infrastructure" and threatening a joint retaliation if their "our" infrastructure is attacked.
Heck, it might have been a lost north Korean fishing boat fishing with c4. Haha.
Who actually owns or paid for this thing? Obviously this project has proprty damge insurance on it or it could not have been built, probably a policy issued by a Lloyds' consortium. So who gets the proceeds if it's destroyed, that is, who has the insurable interest? The western countries keep referring to the pipeline(s) as "our infrastructure" and threatening a joint retaliation if their "our" infrastructure is attacked.
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Because the Western Media and the US Government are pumping out those stories as fast as they can.
NeoCons are former DNC Trotskyists who cuddled up to Republicans during the 70s and 80s because they wanted world revolution and felt the DNC were pussies and the RNC could be fooled to go along with their globalist expansionist agenda, under the false flag of "patriotism"
there is little difference between Bush, McCain, Clinton, and Obama/Biden
Remember when all the news media was going on about how bad Trump was for starting a trade war with China and pressuring them and all that?
How come now nobody seems to be talking about how Biden has been actually turning the screws tighter on China and kind of goading them into let's kick something off?
I believe this is a very astute analysis. While we cannot know for certain who did it, it was almost certainly someone who wanted to take the Russian gas option off the table for geopolitical reasons before winter.
Here is a copy of a message to a friend where we were discussing this very thing:
It was somebody who wanted to take the option of Europe caving to Russia off the table. That leaves you a limited number of people.
That dive is within the reach, barely, of experienced commercial divers on trimix gas.
So that leaves you German or Eur politicians who want that issue off the table politically this winter.
Then you have us.
Then you also have the Ukranians. Who also happen to have a bunch of money and a hell of a motive.
Then you have a private actor such as the WEF who wants the war to continue and needs to harden the resolve of the European peoples.
The thing about all of these is that is would be a big faux pas for any one of them to execute an op like this without the knowledge at least of the op being given to the heads of all the other groups.
I would give 40% odds it is us, 40% Ukranian, 20% German or other EUR govt forcing their people into supporting the war no matter how many freeze to death, and 10% WEF or similar.
Or it was China eliminating the ability/desire of Europe to interfere in global matters for the next year. But that is an outside chance.
because for the media and the political class, who are both owned by the same individuals:
1) anything done for the good of the USA as a nation is "bad"
2) any conflict provoked on behalf of the NWO is "good". especially if it's detrimental to the US and patriotic citizens (refer to rule #1)
remember, these people hate you with every ounce of their being. and if they are pants-pissing eager to start a nuclear war with Russia, despite all repercussions, imagine how ready they are to target helpless citizens who speak out against them.
how much will it cost us?
our prosperity, our sovereignty, our accumulated national wealth.
2020 was the point when they realized they didn't have to pretend or be subtle anymore.
I messaged that while catching crayfish. Don't read too much into it, lol.
Whoever did it was not undetected.
I highly doubt that part of the ocean goes unobserved.
There is no way China is sneaking a sub in there and doing this.
Whoever did it had the approval of USA, Britain, perhaps France, certainly Germany would know, and I think Sweden may have some ability to know what happens in the local waters.
To think there is much sneaking in the Baltics ignores 80 years of fucking around to prevent anyone sneaking around in the Baltic Sea.
Where is Biden putting the screws to China?
They are ignored in all this shit and laughing their way through reading Sun Tzu.
(Interesting factoid......when I typed in Sun Tzu the first time it came up "Sun Trump" by spell check......not even close on both counts."
Shit dude, it was blindingly obvious back in 2003 to anyone who wasn't scared of "terrorism". That was the point of no return.
I've got absolutely no confidence that the Republicans won't be yet again taken over by the neocons. 98% of this forum would vote for someone like Lindsey Graham in 2024 because "it's better than the alternative".
Because it’s fucking bullshit. Name me another country that needs thousands of miles of satellite countries as “buffers” against the aggression of the West that ain’t coming. This is not 1939. Germany (and the rest of Europe) is morally and culturally eviserated. They’re not going to rise again. We’re not invading. Putin is a fucking moron if he actually believes he has “securiry concerns“.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran to name a few recent ones.
Name a country that has been financially sanctioned for bullshit reasons the way Russia has by the west. Name a country that has been slandered by the PRAVDA the way Russia has.
i guess you havent seen some of the "conversations" ive had the honor of being involved in over the last 6-8 monthsDon't tell that to the Qanon disciples.they'll say you've been "black pilled"
i dont think im changing anyone's opinion +/- by one post
"Security" is indeed a smokescreen, although I think it plays well to Russian paranoia (not entirely unjustified, considering the past few centuries and about 50 years of largely-unwarranted NATO aggression). This is a different fight for survival, as demographics make it clear that Russia ceases to exist in about 50 years due to its inability to breed enough new Ruskies. Ukraine offers warm bodies. There are likely other areas that will be of interest in the near future.
Putin being a moron and Zelenskyy being corrupt are not mutually-exclusive concepts, but both the left and right feel compelled to take a side against what they perceive to be the bigger boogieman. That this alignment is roughly 180° out of alignment from a decade ago just adds to the confusion.
No, I still think it was the Russians. I suspect the gas contracts might financially penalise the Russians for choosing not to supply. If there's a technical reason, I suspect no penalty.
Putin is still getting paid for exporting natural resources to various EU countries so the money is flowing. I think only looking at physical supply and not money flow is a very myopic view of the situation.
(Plus I'm a European (Welsh, @MtnCreek) Energy Economist so I have a little insight...
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Putin is still getting paid for exporting natural resources to various EU countries so the money is flowing. I think only looking at physical supply and not money flow is a very myopic view of the situation.
(Plus I'm a European (Welsh, @MtnCreek) Energy Economist so I have a little insight...
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I'm guessing you didn't hear about it much because the MSM isn't saying anything and you have to go to the tech mags and stock reports.
The Biden administration has expanded the clampdown on selling technology and higher end logic chips and wafer production material to China that was started under the Trump administration.
This is significantly hurting the profit outlooks of companies such as Nvidia and such that were counting on huge sales of their big data processing accelerators.
The current administration has also been quietly going around putting more pressure on fabrication tool making companies both domestically and in Europe to strong arm them into not selling said tools to China.
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