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So, you are intimately familiar with the culture of the Philippines then?
So, he has seen one. Did he do a tracking test?
Did he mount it on a rifle and check eyebox?
Did he verify function on the parallax adjustment.
No, there are no good scopes made in the Philippines.
I had a Philippine made scope from a very reputable manufacturer that had to go back after one range trip. The one in which it failed a simple tracking test, and this from a company that is reknown for the tracking of their scopes.
The scope appeared very well made, but it was not you can't tell jack shit about a scope by looking at it.
Does nightforce have their scopes made in the Philippines?
How about Steiner?
How about S&B?
Does Bushnell have their top end scopes made in the Philippines?
The answer to all of those questions is no.
So Acogs are useless now?Well the other killer for me is the BDC reticle. Its hard to take any company serious that puts a BDC reticle like that in their top tier scope and be the only option. So many scope companies kill otherwise really nice scopes by using those stupid ass reticles. The don't even work that well for 556 to begin with, what if you want to use it on another rifle?
Well that sucks they aren't US or Japanese made but I guess not too much of a surprise.
I think that we should probably all wait and see what it is they really have to offer, and then judge the actual offering. Of course, what fun would that be?Burris continues to play in the low tier market. This new line of scopes may find acceptance in the gun game market.
Burris continues to play in the low tier market. This new line of scopes may find acceptance in the gun game market.
A bit of new info on these.
They are made in the Phillipines.
Possible street pricing look to be
2-10 $925
3-15 $1150
4-20 $1250
5-25 $1350
8-40 $1350
1-5 $925
1.5-8 $1150
So Acogs are useless now?
Pretty much, with the offerings here in the 21st century the acog really has no place. Its the worst of both worlds. I dont know about you but I dont see very many people buying acogs anymore, seems to me most are going with low power variables. Whens the last time you saw a bunch of acogs at a 3 gun competition, theyre few and far between compared to all the 1-4 PSTs, 1-6 razors, 1-6 SSs and a spattering of the high end 1-X scopes. Why would you pay what a quality 1-6 is going for, for a fixed power scope that does neither close or long range as well as a low power variable. The only people who like them over low power variables are ones who are stuck with their low resale value acogs.
With the prices of these scopes theyre going to have a tough time gaining traction in a market of already proven quality scopes.
In the larger military market, ACOG's are still used. The 3gun game market is very small and not something to base a decision on for a real world, hard use optic. Eventually the variables will take the placed of fixed optics on the battlefield, but it will take a rugged, proven optic to do so. Trijicon with their VCOG may be a player along with existing military suppliers such as Nightforce, etc., but most optics in the gun games do not offer the ruggedness of the current military grade optics in use.
Just remember that IPSC/3-Gun/Bullseye is where red dot sights got their start, and where manufacturers learned their lessons about ruggedness and battery life.The 3gun game market is very small and not something to base a decision on for a real world, hard use optic. Eventually the variables will take the placed of fixed optics on the battlefield, but it will take a rugged, proven optic to do so. Trijicon with their VCOG may be a player along with existing military suppliers such as Nightforce, etc., but most optics in the gun games do not offer the ruggedness of the current military grade optics in use.
Feature set is pretty much the same as the pst. FFP, zero stop, Mil/MOA, illumination, etc. I don't think this is intended to compete with a 2000$ razor.
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Its a bit early to comment on glass quality so what else do these have over the PST line? I like my vortex scopes for sure but am looking for a 1-8ish scope for my 6.8SPC build. This looks like itll fit the bill but Im a bit skeptical of paying a grand for a burris scope.
. I would be willing to bet that the profit margin on an S&B-etc is significantly larger than other scope.
Sure hope these live up to the hype, I have a kook5-25 on order. I thought they were made in USA like the old xtr's, that's a bummer.
To where? Considering they're not on anybody's website yet I kinda doubt it.Shipping 1st of February.
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Come on SHOT attendees...let's see a report! My lone, but extremely knowledgeable and trusted source tells me the clicks are akin to stirring jello.
If you are going to use an inflated msrp equal to or higher than a NF, the clicks better be more tactile than two marshmallows rubbing together.The one sample I got to play with had a little play in them but were not bad. They remind me of my bushnell elite tac 3-12x44. They were not as nice as my NF.
If you are going to use an inflated msrp equal to or higher than a NF, the clicks better be more tactile than two marshmallows rubbing together.