i think Hornady is building on at the moment to start producing primers. Not sure the timeline
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You are correct, but the thing that is hanging out there is that there are no 5G ammo or bullet manufacturers. IOW, there is no real innovation - it’s fairly commoditized. It’s hard to command a premium that would help with the ROI.I think its fair to question strategy of the ammo manufacturing industry in this case. And while the, "its always been like this" argument and the variables involving investment, logistics, implementarion, and execution, etc are valid...
So is not reinvesting to capitalize on market demand fluctuations, and that door swings both ways. In many markets not preparing to meet demand will result in you not staying in business when there is demand that cannot be sufficiently met, as consumers will seek alternatives.
Think of a telco that couldnt meet the demand of new or current subscribers, what would happen? Their customers would jump ship to someone who could.
Now ammo aint telco, but the same principles apply, if there was more competitors in the market...that is. Now back to federal and them doing what they can.
How do you know they are making a killing? How do you know that they are the ones that are raising the prices? There can be several middle men before it reaches you and they will take their cut as well.I disagree in that we saw such massive price increases under Obama you have accepted what we saw under Trump as "cheap". I would say its the new cheap. Yeah, I make under $100k a year, and so admit I'm a poor. Classy hit job. That makes quite a few of us poors that can't keep a garage full of ammo. I bought what I considered necessary even when I didn't have the cash. For those of you bringing up the costs and difficulties of manufacturing capacity I want to say this. If you can't add capacity during the times your making a killing on a product like during the 8 years of O and the coming bs, then when will you ever?
Anyone remember when a real brick of 22 was like $12 at Wally World?
This is in line with one of my customers telling me that they have a 18 month lead time on their AR-10s.Needed a part for a press so I called Hornady and spoke to Customer Service. I asked are you guys making anything? The reply was we have orders for bullets, ammo, etc. that they cannot fill for over 1 year. That is at their current 24/7 production rate.
Sure, a customer can “jump ship to someone who could” meet demand, so long as there is a vendor that can meet demand. I mean, oil companies are always going out of business when they can’t meet demand and customers go elsewhere, right? Bwahahaha...I think its fair to question strategy of the ammo manufacturing industry in this case. And while the, "its always been like this" argument and the variables involving investment, logistics, implementarion, and execution, etc are valid...
So is not reinvesting to capitalize on market demand fluctuations, and that door swings both ways. In many markets not preparing to meet demand will result in you not staying in business when there is demand that cannot be sufficiently met, as consumers will seek alternatives.
Think of a telco that couldnt meet the demand of new or current subscribers, what would happen? Their customers would jump ship to someone who could.
Now ammo aint telco, but the same principles apply, if there was more competitors in the market...that is. Now back to federal and them doing what they can.
Thats one of my points.Sure, a customer can “jump ship to someone who could” meet demand, so long as there is a vendor that can meet demand. I mean, oil companies are always going out of business when they can’t meet demand and customers go elsewhere, right? Bwahahaha...
Doubt the manufacturers are jacking up prices. It's the assholes with their bots buying everything the second it becomes available so they can flip it on GB . When there are dickheads willing and able to pay a buck a primer this is what you get. If some of the retailers would bot proof things would be better but they either don't care as they are selling as fast as they can ( chaaaachiiiing) or it's to much of a hassle to do so.
Holy crap I've been quoted by bfc should I feel like a porn star lulz . As I said in my post Chaaachinng. They won't bot proof.Why would they bot proof? Waste of time and effort so everyone can get their “Fair share”.
Why would they bot proof? Waste of time and effort so everyone can get their “Fair share”.
It wasn't that long ago that is was $8.99
I asked one guy on there how he was shipping 1k primers for 10 bucks, he told me the post office, he said the postmaster gave him the go ahead, I’m calling bullshit.
A brick was $6 at our hardware store in Deer Lodge, Montana in 1993.Yes, .97 cents a box at Bi Rite Pharmacy.
Shooting is becoming a Rich Man's Game.
It used to just seem like that was something you should have thousands of.. Because it was inexpensive.Honestly never thought I’d be hodl’ing primers and .22lr.
LGS is doing the same thing with primers.I saw 10 lbs of Retumbo sell on Gunbroker for $1350 about 2 weeks ago. Then the same person put another 10 lbs of Retumbo on auction again and the last time I looked a couple hours before the auction ended it was up to $1600. The sad thing is that the person selling it is an FFL holder with a Gunstore in Illinois.
Ammo was the cheapest that I’ve ever seen in a decade under Trump. Ands even with inflation. 223 was $260/1k and 9mm was $160/1k. Not sure how much cheaper you are expecting that that. Could hardly even load for that cheap. You were saving a couple pennies per round.
there was a big glut of guns and ammo available 2017-2019 hence all the sales and cheap prices.
it costs 10s of millions to set up new manufacturing right now and would take 18-24 mo before the facility would be online. That’s also assuming that you can get enough raw materials to keep 2 factories running at 100%
what would the break even be to purchase a new factory? Eventually this frenzy will fade just like it also had unless this is the true end. And if it is the end than I’d be glad I didn’t invest in a giant factory.
you just have no concept of what it would truly take to add manufacturing, what it would cost to break even, and wtf you are going to do with a spare ammo factory when this frenzy dies down and you have to put your products on sale to get them to move.
I thought the primer market looked softer last week.i've noticed the primers on GB are starting to settle down. I've watched cases of 5000 lately going for anywhere from 700-850 plus $40 shipping from licensed hasmat. Still high , but if a person has to live with that awhile, it's better than it was a few weeks ago
I expect they will wait until there is very little ammo left in circulation, and then start firearm confiscations.All of us that stocked up over the years are laughing now, but this situation is going to be around for a long while, and is probably going to get worse in the coming months/years.