i think Hornady is building on at the moment to start producing primers. Not sure the timeline
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Just scanned Gunbroker to see how crazy it was.
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You are correct, but the thing that is hanging out there is that there are no 5G ammo or bullet manufacturers. IOW, there is no real innovation - it’s fairly commoditized. It’s hard to command a premium that would help with the ROI.
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From my mate who works in a decent sized gun store here in aust..
I disagree in that we saw such massive price increases under Obama you have accepted what we saw under Trump as "cheap". I would say its the new cheap. Yeah, I make under $100k a year, and so admit I'm a poor. Classy hit job. That makes quite a few of us poors that can't keep a garage full of ammo. I bought what I considered necessary even when I didn't have the cash. For those of you bringing up the costs and difficulties of manufacturing capacity I want to say this. If you can't add capacity during the times your making a killing on a product like during the 8 years of O and the coming bs, then when will you ever?
I'm pretty sure the several months that Remington's ammo division being closed down didn't help at all either, if anything it fed the shortage. The good news is they're back up and running, and working to increase their capacity and production capabilities. It ain't gonna be quick though, it'll take months.
How do you know they are making a killing? How do you know that they are the ones that are raising the prices? There can be several middle men before it reaches you and they will take their cut as well.
It’s been a few years but many forget about the Trump raw materials tariffs. their margins were hit after trump instituted the tariff increases for raw materials such as aluminum and steel? American steel and aluminum manufacturers raised their prices along with the tariff increase that was designed to help them. This didn’t affect the foreign ammunition manufacturers.
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Here in Finland / Europe still nothing out of ordinary.
It seems like with all of that ammo hoarding, people in the states were preparing for something.. I must be wrong.
I do not think it will be very long until demand is satisfied, guessing during this year.
It seems like with all of that ammo hoarding, people in the states were preparing for something.. I must be wrong.
I do not think it will be very long until demand is satisfied, guessing during this year.
You guys need to look at ammo as a commodity.
The materials are commodities.
The way it sells and prices online and in store is like a commodity.
The way we consume it is like a commodity.
Most people only look at regular purchases and know that there are price fluctuations. Typically within a rang thats not extreme.
We have all seen this ( if you are over 25)
How are people still shocked?
The materials are commodities.
The way it sells and prices online and in store is like a commodity.
The way we consume it is like a commodity.
Most people only look at regular purchases and know that there are price fluctuations. Typically within a rang thats not extreme.
We have all seen this ( if you are over 25)
How are people still shocked?
Never bought ammo at Walmart, but I recall pre-Walmart/K-Mart days of going to the local hardware store. Don't recall prices, but I remember when the price of a box of 50 .22LRs was getting close to a buck people were complaining like we are right now. Western Auto was also a source, but usually a little higher.
Needed a part for a press so I called Hornady and spoke to Customer Service. I asked are you guys making anything? The reply was we have orders for bullets, ammo, etc. that they cannot fill for over 1 year. That is at their current 24/7 production rate.
This is in line with one of my customers telling me that they have a 18 month lead time on their AR-10s.
Doubt the manufacturers are jacking up prices. It's the assholes with their bots buying everything the second it becomes available so they can flip it on GB . When there are dickheads willing and able to pay a buck a primer this is what you get. If some of the retailers would bot proof things would be better but they either don't care as they are selling as fast as they can ( chaaaachiiiing) or it's to much of a hassle to do so.
Sure, a customer can “jump ship to someone who could” meet demand, so long as there is a vendor that can meet demand. I mean, oil companies are always going out of business when they can’t meet demand and customers go elsewhere, right? Bwahahaha...
Why would they bot proof? Waste of time and effort so everyone can get their “Fair share”.
Holy crap I've been quoted by bfc should I feel like a porn star lulz . As I said in my post Chaaachinng. They won't bot proof.
The majors are getting wise to the bots and IP banning users since it mimics certain attacks.
Distill, tech being tech, has started to ban users for using it for gun related items.
It was fun while it lasted I guess.
Why bot proof?
Data overage charges from their hosting providers, slower service to all customers that can cause lost sales, etc.
If their sites happen to be hosted on something like cloudflare, a bot with a fast enough update rate can trigger the automated ddos protections and flag that ip address for either captcha verification or blocking. Any decent provider should already be configured as such.
Hell, if you browse summit racing too quickly it triggers a captcha verification to make sure you aren't a bot...
Data overage charges from their hosting providers, slower service to all customers that can cause lost sales, etc.
If their sites happen to be hosted on something like cloudflare, a bot with a fast enough update rate can trigger the automated ddos protections and flag that ip address for either captcha verification or blocking. Any decent provider should already be configured as such.
Hell, if you browse summit racing too quickly it triggers a captcha verification to make sure you aren't a bot...
If they bot proof then they may actually increase sales/profit.
If there are S/H fees, then many people may add more to their orders to maximize the cost... or if they have free shipping above a certain amount, then people would add to their order.
They'd collect more hazmat fees for some items.
Just driving more clicks/views from real people would potentially gain more customers.
All that said, I can also see why they don't bother. It's selling as soon as it hits.
For me, I've stopped going to several sites that I used to visit regularly, just because I know I don't have a chance to actually check out with stuff in my cart. So they've lost me as a potential sale.
If there are S/H fees, then many people may add more to their orders to maximize the cost... or if they have free shipping above a certain amount, then people would add to their order.
They'd collect more hazmat fees for some items.
Just driving more clicks/views from real people would potentially gain more customers.
All that said, I can also see why they don't bother. It's selling as soon as it hits.
For me, I've stopped going to several sites that I used to visit regularly, just because I know I don't have a chance to actually check out with stuff in my cart. So they've lost me as a potential sale.
Which was actually damn cheap because I was paying that for bricks of Winchester Wildcat in the early 90's at long bankrupt Sports Unlimited.
That's what the SH member here claimed before he sent a S&W 642 to my FFL in a priority flat rate box.
A brick was $6 at our hardware store in Deer Lodge, Montana in 1993.
It used to just seem like that was something you should have thousands of.. Because it was inexpensive.
But most people complain about prices, not the fact that its because our dollar is worth shit..
half full jug of H4350 right now on GB, 4lbs.50z $380 BIN, the bid is at $319. I may have to start selling. That's $760 for a full 8lb jug 
I lived in Australia from 2010-2013, during the period that Obama was known as the greatest gun salesman of all time. All 3 gunshops in Canberra had a photo of him with something to the effect of "salesman of the year".
Australia was out of primers, powder, and the only available bullets were Lapua Scenars ordered directly from the importer in Queensland.
It didn't last long though.
Our situation in America is 10000% more fucked up than it was in 2012.
I saw 10 lbs of Retumbo sell on Gunbroker for $1350 about 2 weeks ago. Then the same person put another 10 lbs of Retumbo on auction again and the last time I looked a couple hours before the auction ended it was up to $1600. The sad thing is that the person selling it is an FFL holder with a Gunstore in Illinois.
Its only the new norm because people are paying these prices. Stop shooting so much. Prices will come down when these asshats hoarding this stuff cant pay their credit card bills because no one is buying their shit.
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i've noticed the primers on GB are starting to settle down. I've watched cases of 5000 lately going for anywhere from 700-850 plus $40 shipping from licensed hasmat. Still high , but if a person has to live with that awhile, it's better than it was a few weeks ago
I expect they will wait until there is very little ammo left in circulation, and then start firearm confiscations.
I've been paying attention the last week and the only DECENTLY RESONABLE way to get them is to buy the boxes of 5k primers at a time. They tend to go for around $960. Which is horrible but if you have to have them for a match or something its better then paying around $300 for just 1k.
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