Kraft Data Driven Training: Try This
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Managed to shoot the asshole out of this one.
My first attempt at the Kraft Challenge. Shot with brand new AT-X with 24" Proof CF 6 Creedmoor barrel. I shot 1 box prior to zero and check suppressor shift.
Ammunition: factory Hornady 108 ELD
Scope: Mark 5 5-25 w/ PR2
Shot off RRS tripod with Anvil 30 head.
Ammunition: factory Hornady 108 ELD
Scope: Mark 5 5-25 w/ PR2
Shot off RRS tripod with Anvil 30 head.
First go at the Kraft challenge
Thinking I need to raise my butt pad slightly to mitigate the “dip” in recoil to avoid the high shot group.
Shot with my 6.5 creedmoor
Any suggestions are welcome! Pick me apart gents.
Zero was about half a tenth left with perfect elevation and was .278” with three shots.
Thinking I need to raise my butt pad slightly to mitigate the “dip” in recoil to avoid the high shot group.
Shot with my 6.5 creedmoor
Any suggestions are welcome! Pick me apart gents.
Zero was about half a tenth left with perfect elevation and was .278” with three shots.
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One more
Zeroed with my hand loads and then shot this with some factory stuff without adjusting zero. POI difference was ~3/4" lower for the factory ammo than my handloads. T3x Lite w/ a fixed SWFA 6x scope.
Standing was off a tree trunk, kneeling off an upside down feed bucket (w/ bipod), sitting was off an upside down pot (w/ bipod), prone was bipod and rear bag.
Zeroed with my hand loads and then shot this with some factory stuff without adjusting zero. POI difference was ~3/4" lower for the factory ammo than my handloads. T3x Lite w/ a fixed SWFA 6x scope.
Standing was off a tree trunk, kneeling off an upside down feed bucket (w/ bipod), sitting was off an upside down pot (w/ bipod), prone was bipod and rear bag.
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Hate to follow lawnboi with this one but here's todays. Tried to use the binos and mark each position/hit on a clean target that I had next to me between shots. 4.8 on the kraft website.
Anyone know if there's an updated printout that has the #s in the same spot as the website version does?
On the print #1 is the center diamond, on the website # 1 is the second diamond.
Anyone know if there's an updated printout that has the #s in the same spot as the website version does?
On the print #1 is the center diamond, on the website # 1 is the second diamond.
I started this Post asking for help. The short outcome is front rest (like bipod) vs GC near magwell have ~1.5” POI shift on either bench or prone. The #kraftdata prone position proved it.
I’m just glad that I now at least know the cause but what should I do at the PRS match?, maybe to avoid using bipod as much as I can which is def not the solution.
RPR 6.5 CM
Thanks!
I'm late to the party, but have to start somewhere. Today I decided to give this a try. I did a bit of practice with each of the positions first, trying some different things on shoulder pressure and support hand position and pressure.
After figuring out what combination worked best for each position, I put it all together and did the Kraft Drill. I just used the target I had already up at 100. Not timed, probably 12-15 seconds per shot. I used my tripod, with a pint sized GC on top, and just adjusted to so the top of the tripod was at 4 feet, 3 feet, and 2 feet for each of the positions. I shot 5 shots each for Standing, Kneeling, and Sitting; and 3 shots Prone.
*(The shots on the overlay picture outside the 8 diamond in the lower right were from me zeroing the gun earlier in the day and were not a part of the Kraft Drill)
Standing practice:
Kneeling practice:
Sitting practice:
Kraft Drill:
After figuring out what combination worked best for each position, I put it all together and did the Kraft Drill. I just used the target I had already up at 100. Not timed, probably 12-15 seconds per shot. I used my tripod, with a pint sized GC on top, and just adjusted to so the top of the tripod was at 4 feet, 3 feet, and 2 feet for each of the positions. I shot 5 shots each for Standing, Kneeling, and Sitting; and 3 shots Prone.
*(The shots on the overlay picture outside the 8 diamond in the lower right were from me zeroing the gun earlier in the day and were not a part of the Kraft Drill)
Standing practice:
Kneeling practice:
Sitting practice:
Kraft Drill:
I am going out to shoot the Kraft target today is the target on Chris’s website the same for rimfire ? Seems like someone posted a rimfire specific one, but I’m not a 100 percent on that. Or should I just shoot the one that looks like everyone else’s here ? Thanks
I've just started doing my own version of the Kraft drill in the last couple of weeks. Quite enlightening, and it definitely helped at today's match.
Did I miss somewhere why this is shot on one single target versus different targets for different positions (standing, kneeling, sitting, prone) where as shooting them on different targets for each position which could give valuable feedback to the shooter that they are doing something different in each position that shows up on paper?
I get the total aggregate of all data in one target of all shots, but the thought crossed my mind about why/shooting them separate. Didn't know if this was discussed somewhere by Chris, or not. Figured I'd ask.
I get the total aggregate of all data in one target of all shots, but the thought crossed my mind about why/shooting them separate. Didn't know if this was discussed somewhere by Chris, or not. Figured I'd ask.
IIRC Its to illustrate that your 'general accuracy' as a 'rifleman' or 'precision shooter' should be measured across all disciplines.
I believe then I missed a portion of the information then.
I asked after wondering that, and then seeing some targets that had that, but didn't know if they were home grown, or part of the Kraft drills that Chris developed.
Reference link to the targets?
If you go to RifleKraft.com and look at target selection there is an option for the positional target.
They can be printed off his site.
Great target for testing changes as well in equipment or process.
My first attempt
100 yards
MPA 6CM shooting factory Hornady 108 ELDM
Standing, kneeling and sitting were off of Schmedium heavy fill game changer on top of tripod, prone was prone with rear bag.
ETA, sequence is off. I didn't track what hole went where other than knowing that I was pulling my standing shots high.
100 yards
MPA 6CM shooting factory Hornady 108 ELDM
Standing, kneeling and sitting were off of Schmedium heavy fill game changer on top of tripod, prone was prone with rear bag.
ETA, sequence is off. I didn't track what hole went where other than knowing that I was pulling my standing shots high.
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Is the riflekraft.com page closed for non us people??
I no longer se shit when I'm logged in, just a black page with white topo lines... been like this for a good few months now...
Messaged Chris way back and got a reply that the tec people would look in to it, haven't heard anything after that.
I no longer se shit when I'm logged in, just a black page with white topo lines... been like this for a good few months now...
Messaged Chris way back and got a reply that the tec people would look in to it, haven't heard anything after that.
Okami,
What country are you in?
Have you cleared your browser cache and or tried a different browser?
The site works and is being updated regularly with cool features but there are some countries that don’t have access. Depending on your country we could open it or chose to keep closed.. I’d need more info.
Anyway, be good.
If you have an issue email me at chrisrway@gmail.com and provide the email your login is under so I can check.
Took my son to the range today and I tried the Kraft Challenge. We’ll kind of, I screwed ot up. I didn’t shoot sitting. I forgot, and only shot 3 shots each. Low on ammo.
Wind was 8-10mph with gusts to 13-15mph. From 8 o’clock.
The main focus was him shooting. We Shot to 500 yards. Prone, kneeling, standing. Standing and kneeling we shot off the fortune cookie lite on top of the tripod.
At 500 he hit 3/4 on a 10” circle steel target I hit 2/3…
His 4th shot he hit, didn’t follow threw for
turned around so fast I thought he broke his neck and said…
Him: dad I beat you…
Me: unload the rifle, close the tripod, zero the scope… hand him 3 rounds… ok do it again without me giving you the wind call and range, and we will see who wins.
Him:
how do I do it?
Me:
, still have much to learn young padawan!
Edit: Ammo was 118LR. In the prone I average .7-8” groups with it.
Rifle: Tikka lite in a Krg Bravo and PST G2. Fully loaded it’s at 11lbs if I remember right.
Wind was 8-10mph with gusts to 13-15mph. From 8 o’clock.
The main focus was him shooting. We Shot to 500 yards. Prone, kneeling, standing. Standing and kneeling we shot off the fortune cookie lite on top of the tripod.
At 500 he hit 3/4 on a 10” circle steel target I hit 2/3…
His 4th shot he hit, didn’t follow threw for
turned around so fast I thought he broke his neck and said…Him: dad I beat you…
Me: unload the rifle, close the tripod, zero the scope… hand him 3 rounds… ok do it again without me giving you the wind call and range, and we will see who wins.
Him:
how do I do it?Me:
, still have much to learn young padawan!Edit: Ammo was 118LR. In the prone I average .7-8” groups with it.
Rifle: Tikka lite in a Krg Bravo and PST G2. Fully loaded it’s at 11lbs if I remember right.
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So with this rifle I’m a 1.8 Moa shooter, granted I have only shot it one time.
With me on it, the rifle shoots .8 moa ish in the prone, Do you look at the the difference and take that in to account or just the overall result?
For example, if You were to average .5 moa with “X” rifle and shoot the Kraft target and average 1.5 moa… to me that means you’re a 1.5moa shooter with that rifle… that’s how we look at this correct?
With me on it, the rifle shoots .8 moa ish in the prone, Do you look at the the difference and take that in to account or just the overall result?
For example, if You were to average .5 moa with “X” rifle and shoot the Kraft target and average 1.5 moa… to me that means you’re a 1.5moa shooter with that rifle… that’s how we look at this correct?
I suppose to look at your raw accuracy performance "the shooter" you could do that, but realistically you and the rifle are a system. The Kraft gives you an idea what size target you can expect to reliably hit with a good wind call. That'll include your rifles inherent accuracy/precision. I include it because I like knowing that when I build a position on a target, if it's 2moa I've got almost 100% chance I'll impact it with a good wind call. But the drill also shows what percentage of shots that went into your main "cluster" group. So 80-85% of shot's go into 1moa or less for me regardless of position. The other 15-20% error will fall somewhere still in that 2 minute zone.
The kraft score was originally reported as the diamond you shoot, its not MOA. If you are in 2 diamond, you are a '2'. But shooting 2MOA could easily score you a '3'diamond, because the Kraft target's diamonds are smaller than circles with the same max chord length. Btw, a 2 diamond score is very good.
Next time I’m going to try Frank’s target. The original was a little hard for me to see that’s why I changed it to this one. Overall for as much as I don’t shoot, I was ok with a 1” gun and the 2” result. Going to try and tighten it up.
