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@lowlight did you attach the right one with the pdf, don't see the aimpoints?Here is the target I modified for those putting alternate aiming points on, I did this version
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if you download the attached PDF you should be good to go
So the discussion came up with a buddy of mine. We debated about our first time doing the drill without any finite aiming point on the page. He made the case about having something there to help you aim for compromises the integrity of the test. We both discussed the possibility of using that to 'shrink the target.' So the end thought is that if you use something to alter the center of the target you compromise the integrity of the test. I proposed the idea that this week we'd do two of the untimed one with a finite aiming point and one without an aiming point to see if that impacts the validity of the exercise.
I can't really see those at a reasonable magnification either. I support what Chris is doing here, but I definitely think a contrasted aim point would be an improvement, and I also still think a circle would make more sense because it wouldn't favor missing in any particular direction.Use one of the outer corners. Whatever hash mark in your reticle lines up. Just like you would with a wind hold.
I can't really see those at a reasonable magnification either. I support what Chris is doing here, but I definitely think a contrasted aim point would be an improvement, and I also still think a circle would make more sense because it wouldn't favor missing in any particular direction.
You need to look at what's actually being tested with this drill.So the discussion came up with a buddy of mine. We debated about our first time doing the drill without any finite aiming point on the page. He made the case about having something there to help you aim for compromises the integrity of the test. We both discussed the possibility of using that to 'shrink the target.' So the end thought is that if you use something to alter the center of the target you compromise the integrity of the test. I proposed the idea that this week we'd do two of the untimed one with a finite aiming point and one without an aiming point to see if that impacts the validity of the exercise.
Where’s the middle finger react?My submission
Yeah but it’s like shooting a piece of steel against a featureless background the exact same color as the steel. And yes, that happens, but it’s not the most common situation. This is an unusually low contrast target.You can’t see the outside diamond? If the crosshairs are lined up vertically and horizontally on the outside diamond, then you’re aimed dead center.
It’s just like a piece of steel. You use with you have. If this was just to see how tiny you can shoot, it would just be a dot drill.
I read his post a few times. I think that proves the point that it happens but can be accounted for. A group from each position would show more the shift from position to position. The part that stood out to me is that he seen some horizontal as well. I have never considered the horizontal component before. At 100 with a 22 its pointless so it will have to be with something else. My testing in the past is 0.2 mil difference vertical for me.
Another thing I want to test is poi movement based on lighting conditions. I have started to wonder if light behind vs light on front makes a difference as well. Maybe Im crazy lol.
I agree. Now that is... On dec 27 when I posted that I had run a Ruger Precision Rimfire for two years. With that rifle prone to barricade i had to run two different ways to minimize poi shift. It still was 0.2 mil and if I was sloppy....Just getting around to this.
Again, no. If you manage recoil consistently across positions, your POI is going to be the same (minus your wobble). The horizontal you are talking about is the wobble. And pretty much any vertical as well.
You see a POI shift when you drive the rifle differently.
This was (and several other groups) without account for anything. Just aiming at the same spot. Across the four positions.
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That's some damn fine shootingJust getting around to this.
Again, no. If you manage recoil consistently across positions, your POI is going to be the same (minus your wobble). The horizontal you are talking about is the wobble. And pretty much any vertical as well.
You see a POI shift when you drive the rifle differently.
This was (and several other groups) without account for anything. Just aiming at the same spot. Across the four positions.
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That's some damn fine shooting
That's a damn good group. I'm jealous of all that space to shoot.First attempt. This is a good practice drill. I hardly ever shoot paper from positions. I need to do another run and try to center it up and shrink the horizontal.
Target was oriented exactly how it shows here with number 8 on the top.
Shot from this gate for standing, kneeling, sitting positions.