She purchases her own pallets. The end.no, that was a different guy. Unless the Canadian Olympic committee purchases ammo for athletes or they are super-rich, they won't be purchasing pallets.
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She purchases her own pallets. The end.no, that was a different guy. Unless the Canadian Olympic committee purchases ammo for athletes or they are super-rich, they won't be purchasing pallets.
Thirty thousand rounds of .22LR match ammo is six cases. Perhaps there's economy to be had in buying 15 - 30 cases at a time, a several years supply. That requires a great deal of confidence that the lots chosen will provide the best results with current rifles, not to mention any not yet acquired.The most I can get on a pallet order is 48 cases. Though it does make a difference who's ammo you're getting, as some manufacturers have differently sized cases. I fired over 27,000 rounds of 22lr last year personally. When I order ammo, it comes on a pallet. Not a full one, but it ships via freight carrier and is delivered on a pallet. I usually only get 15-30 cases at a time. It's really not hard for me to imagine shooters that take it more seriously than I do, and would get a full pallet. I usually only get 3-4 lot numbers at a time, and with each lot number being a max of 7-8 cases, stocking out a full pallet with desirable lot numbers is a difficult task. You'd need a direct relationship with a manufacturer to accomplish that, and I think many olympians have that relationship.
At this point I have no idea what your argument even is. I only know that no matter what is said in this thread, someone will take exception to it.Thirty thousand rounds of .22LR match ammo is six cases. Perhaps there's economy to be had in buying 15 - 30 cases at a time, a several years supply. That requires a great deal of confidence that the lots chosen will provide the best results with current rifles, not to mention any not yet acquired.
A full pallet conservatively has over 200 000 rounds. That would be much more than one 3P shooter would shoot annually, and much more than a BR shooter would use. Shooting that amount in a year would mean shooting almost 550 rounds every single day of the year. Small bore training involves much more than shooting and more shooting. Position shooters devote considerable of time in areas such as mental preparation, physical fitness, and developing good breathing technique. Dry firing practice also is necessary.
Olympic and potential Olympic shooters number in the thousands in Europe and North America alone. Few of them have anything like a relationship with the three major match ammo makers, but they should have relationships with ammo dealers. Like most everyone else, Olympic and BR shooters have to test ammo to find the best lots for competition. They get their ammo from ammo dealers and don't order directly from the factory.
In North America, where there are Lapua and Eley ammo testing facilities, shooters can only choose from the lots that the facilities have available. The ammo chosen is sent to a dealer so that the testing facility doesn't cut out the dealer from the transaction.
I see your problem. You're looking for an argument where there is none. The addition of information is not meant to be contentious. It's meant to add accuracy. Have a thicker skin and don't take everything personally. Accept information for what it is.At this point I have no idea what your argument even is. I only know that no matter what is said in this thread, someone will take exception to it.
Do I know you? You seem familiar...I am a Tool and Die maker, and just got 50 shades of dumber after reading that. Yowza.
I am aware this is an assembly. Just trying to stay out of the weeds and keep it simple.“They normally have a green and a red end. Green has a specific dimension as well as red has. Green is normally the “go end” and red is normally the “no go” end. Therefore, they are known as “GO or NO GO gage in the trades. Only lets you know the hole is large enough or not large enough and what the size may be .250 in diameter or may not be .250 in diameter. Will tell you nothing about concentricity nor perpendicularity. Will not tell you anything about wear in a forcing cone area.”
You do realize that that is not a deltronics pin but a gage assembled with the high and low limit deltronics pins right?
Anyway what you have said is pretty telling, carry on
Shop owner 30ish years. Heavy on CNC and computer tech. Specialty is small high precision parts. Aerospace, defense, commercial and some medical.Seems to be alot of T&D folks in on this thread. Curious what back grounds yall came from. Mines primarily aviation commercial and defense with 14 years additional down hole tooling technology.
Ah your like my neighbor down the road you'd never know he made titanium screws for joint replacement.Shop owner 30ish years. Heavy on CNC and computer tech. Specialty is small high precision parts. Aerospace, defense, commercial and some medical.
Never made any titanium screws, but I did once make gage tooling for a human body parts supplier. Did you know there are people that recycle your body parts??? Mainly bones and tendons. Gruesome info at first. Then it becomes really interesting. There are actually body parts machinists out there...Ah your like my neighbor down the road you'd never know he made titanium screws for joint replacement.
Currently Cnc grinder for turbine jet engine manufacturer. Commercial engines and defense subcontractor. Some of our stuff eventually intentionally goes boom.Seems to be alot of T&D folks in on this thread. Curious what back grounds yall came from. Mines primarily aviation commercial and defense with 14 years additional down hole tooling technology.
Been there done that I traveled all over to Boeing plants Lockheed, General Dynamics ,Bell Textron did work for every branch on MIL. Theres a ole guy not far from a old deer lease I had you drive by his shop you'd think it was a dump ! But inside was some of the most complex dynamic balancers my eyes ever saw he did mil turbine repair so you know what I'm talking about. He wasnt to far from Barksdale AFB.Currently Cnc grinder for turbine jet engine manufacturer. Commercial engines and defense subcontractor. Some of our stuff eventually intentionally goes boom.
Looks like someone swaged a small ball bearing into the nose of a hollowpoint.Since yall are talking about Lapua lot testing tell me what is the .0025 ring around the end of this center x cartridge? Reason ? Maybe purpose ?
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Now you bench shooters! Otta say or know somethin! What's up !
Doesnt the guy that does the gun testing at the lapua buildings come on here? I wonder if he would say? I got my ideas, but I'm holding them yall ever look at your center x ammo you use ?Seating stem mark from excessive seating pressure???
Do you have an entire box of Center X like this, or just one bullet?Doesnt the guy that does the gun testing at the lapua buildings come on here? I wonder if he would say? I got my ideas, but I'm holding them yall ever look at your center x ammo you use ?
The whole brickDo you have an entire box of Center X like this, or just one bullet?
Lapua uses the same bullets on Center X, Midas +, and X-Act. On the lot number it's denoted by the third number -- "5". On one hand, it's possible that Lapua grades the bullets as well as the casing, priming, and propellant; on the other it's possible the grading is by entirely other means or a combination.Since yall are talking about Lapua lot testing tell me what is the .0025 ring around the end of this center x cartridge? Reason ? Maybe purpose ?
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Clean the lube off real good and take another pic I'll tell yall what I believe it is.Lapua uses the same bullets on Center X, Midas +, and X-Act. On the lot number it's denoted by the third number -- "5". On one hand, it's possible that Lapua grades the bullets as well as the casing, priming, and propellant; on the other it's possible the grading is by entirely other means or a combination.
In any event, here's some pictures of Lapua X-Act and Midas +. I also had some SK Rifle Match on hand and it looks remarkably similar, perhaps similar enough to be the same bullet as with the Lapua. Shown below in order of X-Act on left, Midas + in middle, and SK RM on right.
For information on how to decipher the Lapua lot numbers, see the image at bottom. I hope I haven't made any errors on it. Note that the lot number is on a complete label that's on the end of a case of ammo.
It's not a guessing game. The pictures are of the bullets I described.Clean the lube off real good and take another pic I'll tell yall what I believe it is.
Well I dug out an old brick of Center-X lot number 27548 53794, and it has the identical ring at the tip of the bullet.It's not on my SK or wolf
I initially thought you were pointing out a defect. Now that it looks intentional, I'd venture the guess it has a positive effect on the drag properties of the bullet. Though, I suspect, at shorter ranges. I dug out some old books and found an illustration from McCoy showing the transition from laminar flow to turbulent flow. That ring, and also the flat point on Eley, likely starts the flow to turbulent. Though I don't understand the ballistic value. This is the stuff that keeps me up at night.Since yall are talking about Lapua lot testing tell me what is the .0025 ring around the end of this center x cartridge? Reason ? Maybe purpose ?
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I have to ask -- naked eye or magnified?As I don't find it on any of my CenterX, I'm gonna offer a much more simplistic answer.
It's a dent left by the automated seating tool caused by it exceeding set tolerances.
It's a cartridge assembly defect. Maybe, I think.
I just sent Lapua an email with photo's asking them if those marks were from the manufacturing process or were placed there for a purpose.Naked eye, G.
I just checked some two year old center x , current center x, year old Midas + , and they all have the ring
They might not tell youI just sent Lapua an email with photo's asking them if those marks were from the manufacturing process or were placed there for a purpose.
I just sent Lapua an email with photo's asking them if those marks were from the manufacturing process or were
There is do you think any bullet manufacture with automated optic laser inspection equipment would let something like that on the directional surface get out unless it added to the performance? With their name on it ? I mean think about that.I have a lots of Center X from 19 and 20 and both have the ring. I'm betting there is a reason Lapua put it there.
It directs and contains the nose to CENTERI initially thought you were pointing out a defect. Now that it looks intentional, I'd venture the guess it has a positive effect on the drag properties of the bullet. Though, I suspect, at shorter ranges. I dug out some old books and found an illustration from McCoy showing the transition from laminar flow to turbulent flow. That ring, and also the flat point on Eley, likely starts the flow to turbulent. Though I don't understand the ballistic value. This is the stuff that keeps me up at night.
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Those sly devils used it on us in war time and competition !Maybe a more important clip from the article:
"Supercavitating bullet designs, which appear to use rounded tips that lead back to flat, sharp ridge discs at the point, as well as other ridges positioned further back on the bullet body."
Sure sounds like they are describing a Center X to me.