Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

I have good common sense I would like to think. Spending less for same accuracy and function feels intelligent. Quality comes with a price but the name doesn't always signify huge price increase over the next guy. Unless its that much better.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

I don't own a Larue I own a gap 10 and I don't have to walk shit for u. Is the Internet I could punch holes in paper with a pen and say its a group. Of anyone on this site to call out bro I'm not him.

 

[poison123]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Ya Joe doesn't own a OBR.....He has the GAP10.

 

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

We all have large egos

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Like you said, of anyone on this site also. BRO (yes, you used that word)... Larue or GAP10 I don't care.... Think twice before you start calling me "fucking high". I didn't just start posting here yesterday myself. I don't give a crap if you walk in shit either.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't own a Larue I own a gap 10 and I don't have to walk shit for u. Is the Internet I could punch holes in paper with a pen and say its a group. Of anyone on this site to call out bro I'm not him. </div></div>

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

you are high to say that a gasser cannot shoot sub moa consistantly, especially those three. i'm sorry my SPR 5.56 gun shoots around 1/2 moa consistantly. proven and seen by multiple people on here. I don't even have to prove about the GAP10 cuz half this site owns em and can see for themselves. I'm sure all the OBR owners and MWS owners would be slightly pissed if their rifle shot 1 moa plus consistantly, i would be.

 

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

I'm enjoying this conversation. I can't brag much on my dpms thus far. It's ok but not what I wanted I guess.

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Is this guy serious or pranking us? The GAP and Larue guns come with a 1/2 moa or better guarantee. And i have shot and personally seen smaller groups from a gas gun.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

really???? really???

tell me something I don't know.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you are high to say that a gasser cannot shoot sub moa consistantly, especially those three. i'm sorry my SPR 5.56 gun shoots around 1/2 moa consistantly. proven and seen by multiple people on here. I don't even have to prove about the GAP10 cuz half this site owns em and can see for themselves. I'm sure all the OBR owners and MWS owners would be slightly pissed if their rifle shot 1 moa plus consistantly, i would be. </div></div>

 

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Here's a few of mine.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

GAP's AND Larue's DO NOT come with a 1/2 moa guarantee.

Maybe their bolt actions, BUT NOT the semi-auto's!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this guy serious or pranking us? The GAP and Larue guns come with a 1/2 moa or better guarantee. And i have shot and personally seen smaller groups from a gas gun. </div></div>

 

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

I would be satisfied with .50 to .75 consistent groups out of 308 semi auto.

 

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP's AND Larue's DO NOT come with a 1/2 moa guarantee.

Maybe their bolt actions, BUT NOT the semi-auto's!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this guy serious or pranking us? The GAP and Larue guns come with a 1/2 moa or better guarantee. And i have shot and personally seen smaller groups from a gas gun. </div></div></div></div>

I don't know much but didn't think so either.

 

[cpt.creedmoor]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">really???? really???

tell me something I don't know.

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you're an idiot.....anything else?

 

[fire fighter]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ...ESPECIALLY OUR SNIPERS.

 

[Guy Montag]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">really???? really???

tell me something I don't know. </div></div>

When to stop digging.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Man alive, what is up with all the BS tonight.. Sheesshh.. Like i've always said, IMO,,,, it is 40% rifle, 40% shooter, and 20% ammo... accuracy guaranteed SEMI-AUTO (not bolt actions) rifles are a bunch of BS.


this is right from Larue... Accuracy: Average size of a 5-shot group, expressed in Minutes of Angle (MOA) less than 1 MOA (approx) http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-complete-762-rifle-20-barrel


and GAP which is more dependant upon the person shooting the rifle IMO: The G.A. Precision GAP-10 (AR-10) rifle is guaranteed to shoot 3/4 MOA at 100 yards with match grade ammunition. The G.A. Precision GAP-10 (AR-10) rifles will normally shoot better than our guarantee , consistent shooter position is extremely critical when shooting a semi-automatic. With practice a skilled shooter can run a semi auto with the same precision as a bolt rifle. http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-accuracy-guarantee.html


: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hunter24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP's AND Larue's DO NOT come with a 1/2 moa guarantee.

Maybe their bolt actions, BUT NOT the semi-auto's!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this guy serious or pranking us? The GAP and Larue guns come with a 1/2 moa or better guarantee. And i have shot and personally seen smaller groups from a gas gun. </div></div></div></div>

I don't know much but didn't think so either. </div></div>

 

[poison123]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

elf...exactly how many groups did you really shoot to get that gem of a .3's you showcased in the other thread. Bet it was a lot more than 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just keep in mind that the .308 AR is prob one of most non-accurate of the "large cartridge" AR's FYI. You should be happy if you're a consistant sub-moa shooter with a 7.62 / 308 AR. Most 7.62 / .308 AR, regardless of brand name, and yes this goes for larue AND gap, is going to be a 1.25 to 1moa rifle, and sub moa dependant upon the person doing the shooting. I would be really happy if you can CONSISTANTLY shoot .75 5shot groups with a 7.62 / 308.
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hmmmmm "and yes this goes for larue AND gap, is going to be a 1.25 to 1moa rifle"

you cannot figure in shooter into how a gun will shoot, there are plenty of people on here who couldn't shoot 1/2 or 1/3 moa if i handed em a fucking laser.

what the gun is capable of and what the shooter is capable of is not being discussed here. If i hand a person who is capable of shooting 1moa a fully built tacops or surgeon or graduous or GAP that is fully capable of producing .1's guess what he'll probably shoot 1moa if i give that same person a remington SPS out of the box and he shoots 1moa does that make all those custom guns 1moa?

your talking in circles and drunk or not your not benifiting what the OP was asking. I didn't say the GAP10 was the be all end all, i said twice at least that all three were the top of the heap as far as i'm concerned with gassers.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

it was my very first try and entry as it is on the first page.....

i don't think you guys are getting the point here and the whole reason why I started my thread in the first place.... <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">i started that thread for the very reason of people talking the whole "I shoot .5moa all day long" BS and only posting a select "single 5shot group" target!!!!... </span></span></span> that is the very reason why it is based on one target with 6 total GROUPINGS of 5shots = was to show consistancy of not only the rifle but also the person doing the shooting!!!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">elf...exactly how many groups did you really shoot to get that gem of a .3's you showcased in the other thread. Bet it was a lot more than 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10. </div></div>

 

[Chiller]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Elf....you are digging a hole that has little supporting structure. Your thesis of 40/40/20 is not based in reality.

The Indian and not the arrow. The GAP-10 or similar will allow said Indian to really show their capability (first hand knowledge) not speculation or conjecture.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

the person doing the shooting does not demonstrate what the rifle is capable of ESPECIALLY in gassers. so your point is? FORM does, and shooting ability.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

man alive, i could say the very same about you're BS. All I was saying is you don't need to spend loads of money for accuracy. You're the one going off telling people they are "fucking high". You need to calm down.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just keep in mind that the .308 AR is prob one of most non-accurate of the "large cartridge" AR's FYI. You should be happy if you're a consistant sub-moa shooter with a 7.62 / 308 AR. Most 7.62 / .308 AR, regardless of brand name, and yes this goes for larue AND gap, is going to be a 1.25 to 1moa rifle, and sub moa dependant upon the person doing the shooting. I would be really happy if you can CONSISTANTLY shoot .75 5shot groups with a 7.62 / 308.
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hmmmmm "and yes this goes for larue AND gap, is going to be a 1.25 to 1moa rifle"

you cannot figure in shooter into how a gun will shoot, there are plenty of people on here who couldn't shoot 1/2 or 1/3 moa if i handed em a fucking laser.

what the gun is capable of and what the shooter is capable of is not being discussed here. If i hand a person who is capable of shooting 1moa a fully built tacops or surgeon or graduous or GAP that is fully capable of producing .1's guess what he'll probably shoot 1moa if i give that same person a remington SPS out of the box and he shoots 1moa does that make all those custom guns 1moa?

your talking in circles and drunk or not your not benifiting what the OP was asking. I didn't say the GAP10 was the be all end all, i said twice at least that all three were the top of the heap as far as i'm concerned with gassers.
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[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

In my experience, gas guns are more finicky when it comes to accuracy and the ammo they shoot well.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

no shit? read this forum posting where I've said numerous times IMO it is 40%rifle, 40%shooter, and 20%ammo. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625#Post3523625

like i said before, you do NOT need to spend loads of money for accuracy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You my friend hit the nail right on the head. Is it possible to do this exercise with .5"moa and under on all 6groups, YES, but is is damn friggen hard. I'll tip my hat to the first person that does it. Operator skill has just as much to do with the potential of the rifle IMO.... I've always said it is 40% skill, 40% rifle, and 20% ammo IMO. I've really come to take the ammo factor into the equation now that I'm reloading and see how much of a difference it really does make in terms of accuracy. People running around on forums saying they run .5"moa ALL DAY LONG bullsh!t only makes people with similar rifles wondering why they do not..... Rather than saying "all day long", it should be more like, "I do .5moa here and there". Most people that use that line are full of BS unless it is with a bolt action per say.

So far, this shootout has been really fun and it is really interesting to see the results so far. Keep it up. Everyone is doing one hell of a job so far. I know I'm not done trying to get the ".5moa" crown listed on the OP. Pushing the extremes of my rifle, personal skill level, and reloading knowledge..... Hell, that is what makes this shootout so damn fun and addictive, but I got a gut feeling the ".5moa crown" will never happen atleast <span style="font-weight: bold">with my semi-auto & current skill level</span>..... BUT, then again you never know................ <span style="color: #FF0000">it is possible!!!</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the purpose of this thread was to show the true capabilities and limitations of semi-auto rifles. I know when I go to the range, I can occasionally get a sub-1/2 MOA 5 shot group but most are closer to 1 MOA. I now feel a lot better about my rifle and shooting and realize I may be chasing a white rabbit trying to get a semi-auto rifle that will shoot sub-1/2 MOA every time. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've kicked thousands of rounds down range and I've produced many groups under .5"moa at 100yards.... hell, some of my groups have been damn near bullets in bullet holes at 100yards, but <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">I'll be the last person to say I do it all day long</span></span>. It really is not that easy with a gas gun and I think this forum thread is really putting some people's perspectives back into reality check. </div></div> </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the person doing the shooting does not demonstrate what the rifle is capable of ESPECIALLY in gassers. so your point is? FORM does, and shooting ability. </div></div>

 

[Hunter24]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Saving money and getting same or better accuracy is a plus in my book.

 

[L3IRQ]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hunter24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saving money and getting same or better accuracy is a plus in my book. </div></div>

I think there's a sweet spot for the price/quality relationship in these things and I think Larue is pretty close (used to be better before the price increase.) DPMS et al will give you a lot more reliability issues etc than I would ever want in one of my weapons, whereas some of the 5K+ rifles will not outperform 2K rifles.

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP's AND Larue's DO NOT come with a 1/2 moa guarantee.

Maybe their bolt actions, BUT NOT the semi-auto's!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this guy serious or pranking us? The GAP and Larue guns come with a 1/2 moa or better guarantee. And i have shot and personally seen smaller groups from a gas gun. </div></div> </div></div>

They may not claim it publicly but both George Gardner and Mark Larue have told me in person (that would be face to face, for you slow ones) that the rifles are capable of extreme accuracy but they cant broadcast a guarantee because most shooters cant produce the groups. The semi autos are a different animal.

But I went out and did this, just for you "elfster".....

First 5 rounds out of the 6mm Creedmoor GAP10

Then after cleaning..... the following 10 rounds out of the same gun:

How does that make you feel?

 

[L3IRQ]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP's AND Larue's DO NOT come with a 1/2 moa guarantee.

Maybe their bolt actions, BUT NOT the semi-auto's!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this guy serious or pranking us? The GAP and Larue guns come with a 1/2 moa or better guarantee. And i have shot and personally seen smaller groups from a gas gun. </div></div> </div></div>

They may not claim it publicly but both George Gardner and Mark Larue have told me in person (that would be face to face, for you slow ones) that the rifles are capable of extreme accuracy but they cant broadcast a guarantee because most shooters cant produce the groups. The semi autos are a different animal.

But I went out and did this, just for you "elfster".....

First 5 rounds out of the 6mm Creedmoor GAP10

Then after cleaning..... the following 10 rounds out of the same gun:

How does that make you feel?

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Impressive shooting! Without a doubt both guns are capable of producing stellar results.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does that make you feel? </div></div> post a single target with 6 different groups, 5shots each, and 30 total bullets. Until then, to me, it is a moot point as I have tons of hand picked "how does that make you feel" targets just like yours. You obviously didn't read a single word of what I said two posts above yours. I'm NOT saying that the GAP10 and OBR's are not bad rifles for the love of god. They are awesome well built rifles. Hell, my LMT with glass and options is about ~$4k, but all i'm saying is you don't need to spend loads of money in most cases to have a stupid accurate rifle.

This was done with about ~ $1300 dollar DPMS sweet 16 rifle, 6groups, 5shots each, 30 total rounds on one single target.... how does this make you feel?:

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Can you not read?

That was the FIRST ROUNDS out of the gun. The first 15 shots that came out of the gun are right there on those two targets. A brand new barrel on a brand new upper producing those groups off a bipod and rear bag is impressive.

Man, you are dense! I could give two squirts of duck shit about your 30 targets. Good for you. I see what my GAP10 is producing fresh off the assembling line and I am VERY impressed.

 

[Guy Montag]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> post a single target with 6 different groups, 5shots each, and 30 total bullets. </div></div>

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

same back at ya moron,,,,, can you not read also??

What I'm saying is you DO NOT NEED TO SPEND $3k on just the base rifle when other, much less priced rifles will do damn near the same in terms of accuracy. Hell, half of the people in the top ten are DPMS and Rock River Arms, and they are also shooting with bipods and sandbags.... as bigjoe would say, dipshit: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625#Post3523625

And did you just say two squirts? Lord, who is the dense one now.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you not read?

That was the FIRST ROUNDS out of the gun. The first 15 shots that came out of the gun are right there on those two targets. A brand new barrel on a brand new upper producing those groups off a bipod and rear bag is impressive.

Man, you are dense! I could give two squirts of duck shit about your 30 targets. Good for you. I see what my GAP10 is producing fresh off the assembling line and I am VERY impressed. </div></div>

 

[L3IRQ]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">same back at ya moron,,,,, can you not read also??

What I'm saying is you DO NOT NEED TO SPEND $3k on just the base rifle when other, much less priced rifles will do damn near the same in terms of accuracy. Hell, half of the people in the top ten are DPMS and Rock River Arms, and they are also shooting with bipods and sandbags.... as bigjoe would say, dipshit: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625#Post3523625

And did you just say two squirts? Lord, who is the dense one now.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you not read?

That was the FIRST ROUNDS out of the gun. The first 15 shots that came out of the gun are right there on those two targets. A brand new barrel on a brand new upper producing those groups off a bipod and rear bag is impressive.

Man, you are dense! I could give two squirts of duck shit about your 30 targets. Good for you. I see what my GAP10 is producing fresh off the assembling line and I am VERY impressed. </div></div> </div></div>

On the same token...the 6 target thing is basically meaningless, and I wouldn't trust a rock river or a dpms to even use as a club...just because a small sample of 1 product can compete with another doesn't = equivalent

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

oh,,, and I should just take your word for it also? = don't give a shit.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L3IRQ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">same back at ya moron,,,,, can you not read also??

What I'm saying is you DO NOT NEED TO SPEND $3k on just the base rifle when other, much less priced rifles will do damn near the same in terms of accuracy. Hell, half of the people in the top ten are DPMS and Rock River Arms, and they are also shooting with bipods and sandbags.... as bigjoe would say, dipshit: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625#Post3523625

And did you just say two squirts? Lord, who is the dense one now.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you not read?

That was the FIRST ROUNDS out of the gun. The first 15 shots that came out of the gun are right there on those two targets. A brand new barrel on a brand new upper producing those groups off a bipod and rear bag is impressive.

Man, you are dense! I could give two squirts of duck shit about your 30 targets. Good for you. I see what my GAP10 is producing fresh off the assembling line and I am VERY impressed. </div></div> </div></div>

On the same token...the 6 target thing is basically meaningless, and I wouldn't trust a rock river or a dpms to even use as a club...just because a small sample of 1 product can compete with another doesn't = equivalent </div></div>

 

[L3IRQ]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Your only comeback is always post the meaningless 6 targets, as if someone couldn't shoot those groups from 25 yards locked down in a vise? Come on dude if you really believe that dpms/rra = the same as a gap10 or obr nobody should give a shit what you say because that = delusional.

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Keep on digging!!!! Your argument (or lack there of) is pretty meaningless now. You are making no sense. Ramblings are the sign of a desperate man.

Come shoot your AR10 vs this GAP10, we will see who groups better. Joe will bring his as well.

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">same back at ya moron,,,,, can you not read also??

<span style="color: #CC0000">What I'm saying is you DO NOT NEED TO SPEND $3k on just the base rifle when other, much less priced rifles will do damn near the same in terms of accuracy.</span> Hell, half of the people in the top ten are DPMS and Rock River Arms, and they are also shooting with bipods and sandbags.... as bigjoe would say, dipshit: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625#Post3523625

And did you just say two squirts? Lord, who is the dense one now.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you not read?

That was the FIRST ROUNDS out of the gun. The first 15 shots that came out of the gun are right there on those two targets. A brand new barrel on a brand new upper producing those groups off a bipod and rear bag is impressive.

Man, you are dense! I could give two squirts of duck shit about your 30 targets. Good for you. I see what my GAP10 is producing fresh off the assembling line and I am VERY impressed. </div></div> </div></div>

Oh are we pointing out errors in typing now? Because ,,,,,,, is not correct punctuation.

Better run back to the GAP website and check the price because they are not $3k. In fact I know several guys that have went with 16" 308 GAP10's are were well under $3k. So again, you are spouting crap in which you can't back up. I have owned several DPMS and Armalite platforms over the years, none of them were as accurate or dependable as the higher tier rifles. Just face it, the extra money buys you a higher grade firearm.

Moving on.....

 

[IslandTime]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

You guys should chill out! I'm relatively new here, but one thing I can say is that Eflster has been extremely helpful and I think his contest and the way it was set up was useful and fair.

At a minimal using four letter words is not required when you reply to him. He seems to be a decent guy and does not deserve the hassle.

It's Thanksgiving weekend! Enjoy it, enjoy the shooting and bless our troops.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

While I see both points that are trying to be made, I've tried both flavors.

My opinion is, while a RRA or DPMS could be just as accurate, I can guarantee you will not find that to be true on a consistent basis. The accuracy will vary greatly gun to gun. That's part of what you pay for when you purchase a rifle such as a GAP/Larue/MWS.....consistency!

 

[Jon Lester]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Ill say 1 thing, I have 2 Gap 10s and love them both(6 creed at 23" and 308 at 18"). I have ran the 6 Creed as a match gun nearly all year,and it is not like I have nothing better, I have a GAP 7WSM,and 284 as well as a Pierce 300WM and a Patriot Arms 308 or Trg 22 to choose from, but that 6 group stuff aint an easy task at all!
I am in admiration at the groups those guys moved me down the list with. I ran the challenge 3 different times with the creed and my best was bumped to 8th. But out of the 18 groups I think only 1 or 2 went over 1 moa.So I do have a competitive rifle.

One thing about that 6 group thread that surprised the heck out of me was that I had the only GAP-10 and no Larue or JP made the top ten and there were a lot of targets shot and crap talked.

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I see both points that are trying to be made, I've tried both flavors.

My opinion is, while a RRA or DPMS could be just as accurate, I can guarantee you will not find that to be true on a consistent basis. The accuracy will vary greatly gun to gun. <span style="color: #CC0000">That's part of what you pay for when you purchase a rifle such as a GAP/Larue/MWS.....consistency!</span>


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Exactly my point. Because Bob gets a DPMS that shoot 1/2 MOA, John down the street might get a DPMS that cant hold a 2" group. Factory assembled guns yield factory accuracy.

Custom builds are accurate from the build consistency.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

thank you islandtime.

I'm NOT knocking down Gap's and OBR's... THEY ARE AWESOME RIFLES!!

I'm just trying to say that you can get damn near the same accuracy out of a varmint bull barreled rock river arms is all I'm saying. Especially if all you're doing is punching holes in paper and not hunting with the rifle like the OP said... Like the OP said, Larue 7.62 VS others... I'm trying to help with man with an "others" perspective. I think using a bull barrel in something other than 7.62 will give you more accuracy such as a rock river varmint rather than dumping a whole bunch of money on a 2600 to 3k rifle... that's all im saying. Calm down people.

I think i've been more than nice to everyone here till some people on here starting kicking f-bombs my way.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IslandTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys should chill out! I'm relatively new here, but one thing I can say is that Eflster has been extremely helpful and I think his contest and the way it was set up was useful and fair.

At a minimal using four letter words is not required when you reply to him. He seems to be a decent guy and does not deserve the hassle.

It's Thanksgiving weekend! Enjoy it, enjoy the shooting and bless our troops. </div></div>

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

well said Jon Lester, you're an honorable man and I trust your word more than anyone else that has listed information on this thread so far. thank you.

IMO, if USING FOR TARGET PAPER PUNCHING, having a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">bull barrel</span></span> in <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">something other than 7.62 </span></span>will produce better results than just dumping a whole bunch of money on a GAP10 or OBR.

I would almost bet money that for every person that did post an entry, there was 3 to 4 people that didn't because they didn't make the top ten. Don't knock it until you tried it: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625#Post3523625


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ill say 1 thing, I have 2 Gap 10s and love them both(6 creed at 23" and 308 at 18"). I have ran the 6 Creed as a match gun nearly all year,and it is not like I have nothing better, I have a GAP 7WSM,and 284 as well as a Pierce 300WM and a Patriot Arms 308 or Trg 22 to choose from, but that 6 group stuff aint an easy task at all!
I am in admiration at the groups those guys moved me down the list with. I ran the challenge 3 different times with the creed and my best was bumped to 8th. But out of the 18 groups I think only 1 or 2 went over 1 moa.So I do have a competitive rifle.

One thing about that 6 group thread that surprised the heck out of me was that I had the only GAP-10 and no Larue or JP made the top ten and there were a lot of targets shot and crap talked. </div></div>

 

[Guy Montag]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm just trying to say that you can get damn near the same accuracy out of a varmint bull barreled rock river arms is all I'm saying. </div></div>

No, that's not what you said initially.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would put my $1200 dollar EOP rock river up against a larue 5.56 obr $2250 dollar rifle <span style="font-weight: bold">anyday </span> in terms of accuracy: </div></div>

Does your $1200 rifle still beat all comers as you'd first claimed?

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Does your $1200 rifle still beat all comers as you'd first claimed?
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I JUST got the rifle with glass on it last month and it doesn't even have 100rounds down the barrel with still doing load development. As of late, I've been busy as hell hence the reason why I shut down the shootouts. Especially with gun deer hunting going on in my neck of the woods, BUT with the little amount of load development I've done so far I'd say it is on the right track to being a real shooter. This is with hornady .224 68gr BTHP match:

 

[KYS]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Does your $1200 rifle still beat all comers as you'd first claimed?
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I JUST got the rifle with glass on it last month and it doesn't even have 100rounds down the barrel with still doing load development. As of late, I've been busy as hell hence the reason why I shut down the shootouts. Especially with gun deer hunting going on in my neck of the woods, BUT with the little amount of load development I've done so far I'd say it is on the right track to being a real shooter. This is with hornady .224 68gr BTHP match:

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So my GAP10 is not accurate out of the gate with the first 5 rounds being nearly the same hole? But your factory gun is accurate printing nearly a .5" group and is virtually new as well? That makes no sense!

That is the double standard that you are preaching this whole time? Consistency and accuracy are what should be judged. NOT occasional accuracy out of a batch of 25 guns. With factory guns you may or may not get a good one. With customs, you get each and every one inspected, indicated, and trued up in a lathe by the same person over and over again. Its a fine art make these guns run like sewing machines. This being my 2nd GAP10 upper I will stand behind them 100% for consistency of accuracy. I also own a Larue in 5.56 and it has over 3k suppressed rounds thru it while still maintaining superb functionality and accuracy.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

This is a good point KYS338 and maybe in some part I agree with you on this.

IMO, AR accuracy guarantees when not strapping the damn thing down to a concrete bench and only shooting from a bipod and rear sand bag is really up to the shooter driving the damn rifle and having a nice accurate rifle is icing on the cake,,,, BUT keep in mind a rock river with lifetime warranty varmint bull barrel has the same 3/4"Moa accuracy guarantee as a GAP10 and better than the 1moa or less accuracy guarantee of the OBR. This is not stuff I'm making up here, it is just hardcore facts list right on all 3 company websites. All of these accuracy guarantees when not strapping down the rifles to a friggen vise are all kinda BS anyway:

3/4" guarantee rock river http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=228

3/4" guarantee GAP10 http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-accuracy-guarantee.html

Guaranteed .99999 or less sub-MOA accuracy (with Federal GMM, 77 grain ammo) OBR: http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-556-20”





<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I see both points that are trying to be made, I've tried both flavors.

My opinion is, while a RRA or DPMS could be just as accurate, I can guarantee you will not find that to be true on a consistent basis. The accuracy will vary greatly gun to gun. <span style="color: #CC0000">That's part of what you pay for when you purchase a rifle such as a GAP/Larue/MWS.....consistency!</span>


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Exactly my point. Because Bob gets a DPMS that shoot 1/2 MOA, John down the street might get a DPMS that cant hold a 2" group. Factory assembled guns yield factory accuracy.

Custom builds are accurate from the build consistency.

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[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

The problem is we are not talking each shooters ability we are talking guns ability. Stop bringing up your shooter test challenge. Gas guns are harder to drive but proves nothing about the guns ability. Even John said that its like shooting a dot drill it's about 90 percent shooter and 10 percent gun and ammo as you can see shooter tendencies in trigge squeeze, grip, anticipation, etc. just like there may be 1 in 10 r700's that will shoot sub 1/2 Moa out of the box, the consistency accross the board isn't there. Where it is with the higher end guns same is said of the gassers.

At 100 yards caliber should not matter a 308 can and should shoot just as well as anything else. Now downrange efficiency and its ability to beat wind is another story but at 100 yards there is no reason a 308 cannot be just as accurate as any other caliber

 

[elfster1234]

Re: Larue predatar 7.62 vs others

Jesus man, I give up. Who is to say the 5th bullet on my group wasn't me?? but it is rather obvious the rifle can shoot. My god.


Bigjoe might say, "stop bring up your shootout" blah blah blah, but all i'm saying is stop bring up the fact that just because a rifle is less money $$$ that it can't shoot as well or damn close to it.

I'm just trying to give the OP a different "others" perspective than getting a Larue while saving the man some money. His OP title is "Larue predatar 7.62 vs <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">others</span></span></span>"....


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Does your $1200 rifle still beat all comers as you'd first claimed?
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I JUST got the rifle with glass on it last month and it doesn't even have 100rounds down the barrel with still doing load development. As of late, I've been busy as hell hence the reason why I shut down the shootouts. Especially with gun deer hunting going on in my neck of the woods, BUT with the little amount of load development I've done so far I'd say it is on the right track to being a real shooter. This is with hornady .224 68gr BTHP match:

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So my GAP10 is not accurate out of the gate with the first 5 rounds being nearly the same hole? But your factory gun is accurate printing nearly a .5" group and is virtually new as well? That makes no sense!

That is the double standard that you are preaching this whole time? Consistency and accuracy are what should be judged. NOT occasional accuracy out of a batch of 25 guns. With factory guns you may or may not get a good one. With customs, you get each and every one inspected, indicated, and trued up in a lathe by the same person over and over again. Its a fine art make these guns run like sewing machines. This being my 2nd GAP10 upper I will stand behind them 100% for consistency of accuracy. I also own a Larue in 5.56 and it has over 3k suppressed rounds thru it while still maintaining superb functionality and accuracy. </div></div>