I've got a Nomad-L in jail right now. Will report back when I shoot it.
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With the XH 8.5oz do you run a BRT EZTune or Factory Gas Tube?I run a SICO Hybrid on my 16" and 13.5" barrels (as well as shot it with my sandman s that's in jail once). The recoil with the hybrid on the stock gun was "violent". I put the XH (8.5oz) buffer in and it makes the gun acceptable suppressed with low back pressure cans. I know some people say the surefire cans are better with the stock gun. Maybe they are a little, but my friend who has that setup is now changing to the XH buffer after he borrowed mine. In my opinion, running the XH buffer is an improvement shooting with or without a can with no change to reliability.
I also have the unsuppressed BRT gas tube as well and that combination seems to be the closest happy medium for my setup. However, as others above have said above, the best suppression cans tend to have some of the highest backpressure. The Nomad is a good can but its definitely higher BP than a overbored can, sandman, or surefire. If you go that route you'll probably be better off going straight to a true adj. gas block and not messing with the tubes.
I've reached out to DA and will let you guys know what they say if/when they get back to me.I have a sandman k that's great on my mws, but you should really reach out to DA. They have large social media presence and this is something that they would be best situated to answer.
Thanks for the tips. I've looked more into it, and saw a post from some time ago where a user stated an LMT rep. recommended they use an RCA adjustable gas block. I was originally opposed to modifying the gas system because I was under the impression it would be macgyvering something together; but if there are reliable ways to go about it then I consider it worth considering.I don’t have hands on experience with the OSS, nor do I own a Sandman, but this is my humble opinion of someone who is currently in the same situation as you and has been testing and researching.
Backpressure and suppression seem to share an inverse relationship. If it suppresses well chances are it’s higher backpressure. If it’s low backpressure chances are it’s louder than the competition. The suppression levels are all relative because it’s only a couple dB usually. There are some exclusions to this and we will get to that eventually.
There are 2 ways to moderate gas:
1.) Buffer weights
2.) Gas Moderation
Gas moderation can be achieved with an adjustable gas block, smaller gas tube, or adjustable gas key.
Having shot the LMT with everything from XH to H2 and factory gas tube to 100% suppressed gas tube I can say that for me, with my cans, there is no combination that I find acceptable in a mid length system, granted it runs fine and is up to the intended accuracy standards.
I personally believe that running a LMT MWS suppressed requires an AGB. I am on this step of the process and waiting for a barrel from Lothar Walther with a rifle length gas system.
If I was starting out and looking at suppressors I would pick something that manufactures recommend on their large frame gas guns. FN developed theirs around Surefire. HK recommends OSS and they don’t have an adjustable gas system on the MR762. The sandman K I shot on my MWS was better than any of my cans.
Exception is over bored cans, so anything greater than 30cal. I have run a 338 ultra and SiCo hybrid and it certainly brings the gas levels down compared to a 30cal can.
I hope this helps you in your search for a can for the MWS
Interesting. I may experiment with some buffers regardless than. It's also funny that you mention Surefire, because I had also heard how much people like them with the LMT MWS, but when I looked them up saw they cost twice as much and crossed them off. Turns out I was looking at the titanium version instead of standard, which is much closer in price. Although the standards are out of stock everywhere, due to their much closer price point, as well as some other points like less muzzle flash vs the HXQD, it's replaced the Nomad L and is also what I'm leaning towards overall.I run a SICO Hybrid on my 16" and 13.5" barrels (as well as shot it with my sandman s that's in jail once). The recoil with the hybrid on the stock gun was "violent". I put the XH (8.5oz) buffer in and it makes the gun acceptable suppressed with low back pressure cans. I know some people say the surefire cans are better with the stock gun. Maybe they are a little, but my friend who has that setup is now changing to the XH buffer after he borrowed mine. In my opinion, running the XH buffer is an improvement shooting with or without a can with no change to reliability.
I also have the unsuppressed BRT gas tube as well and that combination seems to be the closest happy medium for my setup. However, as others above have said above, the best suppression cans tend to have some of the highest backpressure. The Nomad is a good can but its definitely higher BP than a overbored can, sandman, or surefire. If you go that route you'll probably be better off going straight to a true adj. gas block and not messing with the tubes.
I'm running the XH buffer with the BRT unsuppressed gas tube.With the XH 8.5oz do you run a BRT EZTune or Factory Gas Tube?
I've reached out to DA and will let you guys know what they say if/when they get back to me.
Regarding your second comment on muzzle vs ear, I was just reading about that last night. the bottom line I found is that suppressors really are just for the shooter's benefit, which in this case prioritizes lower pressure like you said.
Thanks for the tips. I've looked more into it, and saw a post from some time ago where a user stated an LMT rep. recommended they use an RCA adjustable gas block. I was originally opposed to modifying the gas system because I was under the impression it would be macgyvering something together; but if there are reliable ways to go about it then I consider it worth considering.
I've also heard of the idea of using over bored cans, but if anything I would probably max out at 7.62x51 and work my way down to 556, and I imagine a 338 can on a 556 may be overkill haha.
Interesting. I may experiment with some buffers regardless than. It's also funny that you mention Surefire, because I had also heard how much people like them with the LMT MWS, but when I looked them up saw they cost twice as much and crossed them off. Turns out I was looking at the titanium version instead of standard, which is much closer in price. Although the standards are out of stock everywhere, due to their much closer price point, as well as some other points like less muzzle flash vs the HXQD, it's replaced the Nomad L and is also what I'm leaning towards overall.
It sucks but it is what it is at this point. They only know what LMT tells them as far as projected lead times. I talked to John the other day and he said they’re all over the place. Some things come early, some are way behind. At the mercy of LMT’s production schedule and ability.It has been a year and a half and I am still waiting on the lmt I ordered from v1tactical. I think it is safe to say I won't be paying for something in advance that is firearms related again. Sigh.....
I am in the same boat. Placed an order for a MWS and MLC; won’t be pre-paying anymore either. I knew it was going to be awhile, so I’m not exceedingly upset; however, LMT exudes a certain demeanor that they really don’t give a shit. Supposedly they stopped taking orders to fulfill their backlog, but then they release a bunch of stupid length variation uppers, etc. I don’t know the inner workings of LMT, but surely these releases are minimizing manufacturing resources?It has been a year and a half and I am still waiting on the lmt I ordered from v1tactical. I think it is safe to say I won't be paying for something in advance that is firearms related again. Sigh.....
I’m in the same boat! Been a year and half waiting on my MARS-L lol, thankfully it’s only a lower and not a full rifle. Hopefully soon for us!It has been a year and a half and I am still waiting on the lmt I ordered from v1tactical. I think it is safe to say I won't be paying for something in advance that is firearms related again. Sigh.....
Same here man. Lot of money tied up right now with LMT...It has been a year and a half and I am still waiting on the lmt I ordered from v1tactical. I think it is safe to say I won't be paying for something in advance that is firearms related again. Sigh.....
I blame the faggoty Facebook groups..Same here man. Lot of money tied up right now with LMT...
I blame the faggoty Facebook groups..
Think it took around 10 months for my two mars lowers to show up from v1. One L, one H.I’m in the same boat! Been a year and half waiting on my MARS-L lol, thankfully it’s only a lower and not a full rifle. Hopefully soon for us!
What did you order?It has been a year and a half and I am still waiting on the lmt I ordered from v1tactical. I think it is safe to say I won't be paying for something in advance that is firearms related again. Sigh.....
How long ago did you order?? Mine was placed in early May 2020Think it took around 10 months for my two mars lowers to show up from v1. One L, one H.
Ordered Sept 6 2020, Completed, Apr 24, 2021.How long ago did you order?? Mine was placed in early May 2020
Just ordered one over the phone on Friday. I really like V1 because it seems like the only place that doesn't necessarily charge MSRP (or more ) for LMT items...*cough* Tombstone *cough*I have an LMT BCG I ordered in Dec. from V1 and still not here! 9 months on a BCG I know there is nothing retailers can do but it still sucks!
I have a 10/20/20 308 BCG order with V1 that I am still waiting for. Mine was a March allocation.Just ordered one over the phone on Friday. I really like V1 because it seems like the only place that doesn't necessarily charge MSRP (or more ) for LMT items...*cough* Tombstone *cough*
Anyway, he mentioned that they have continued to push their allocations back because of how badly LMT keeps missing target dates. Currently they show allocations for December but he said those were originally for September. Either way, glad to order one for 15% off MSRP and V1 is always extremely helpful over the phone
Joe from LMT addressed this in an LMT Q&A video on youtube. He said LMT does not tell V1 when they are getting "allocations" and that they make that up themselves. I dont buy from V1 unless they have an item "in stock" becuase they are otherwise selling stuff they dont have, and if you cancel they charge you extra to "restock" stuff they never had to begin with.It sucks but it is what it is at this point. They only know what LMT tells them as far as projected lead times. I talked to John the other day and he said they’re all over the place. Some things come early, some are way behind. At the mercy of LMT’s production schedule and ability.
I just found one of Jo’s posts where he explained it. At the time of order LMT gives an estimate on when it will be filled. V1 says they pad the estimate by 30-90days+ at this point because Lmt has been so erratic.Joe from LMT addressed this in an LMT Q&A video on youtube. He said LMT does not tell V1 when they are getting "allocations" and that they make that up themselves. I dont buy from V1 unless they have an item "in stock" becuase they are otherwise selling stuff they dont have, and if you cancel they charge you extra to "restock" stuff they never had to begin with.
Same. Paid for an MWS allocation, actually got it a month before the estimated date. Would order from him again.I've received everything that I've ordered.
Damn, I went the Gunbroker route... got it 3 days after I purchased.It has been a year and a half and I am still waiting on the lmt I ordered from v1tactical. I think it is safe to say I won't be paying for something in advance that is firearms related again. Sigh.....
Not happy with cancel fee but a tip to avoid that is to cancel and ask for store credit, for full credit. Can always apply to in stock stuff.Joe from LMT addressed this in an LMT Q&A video on youtube. He said LMT does not tell V1 when they are getting "allocations" and that they make that up themselves. I dont buy from V1 unless they have an item "in stock" becuase they are otherwise selling stuff they dont have, and if you cancel they charge you extra to "restock" stuff they never had to begin with.
Nice.You're going to like that 12" piston. I got one last year and it is smokin' accurate. Suppresses remarkably well (OSS can). My favorite AR.
Stag arms upper on a mws mars h lower.....
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I'm considering a Mars-H with the 20" 6.5cm. While I've read a few threads on running these suppressed, is the general consensus that they are overgassed from the factory? I'd sure hate to drop that much coin and not be able to run a can.
Consensus is pretty much everything LMT makes is overgassed. In their live chat on YT last night with Joe Hajny, he stated they're currently doing testing on reducing gas port diameters because of how prevalent cans have become.I'm considering a Mars-H with the 20" 6.5cm. While I've read a few threads on running these suppressed, is the general consensus that they are overgassed from the factory? I'd sure hate to drop that much coin and not be able to run a can.
If you read around these parts, some of the reduced port size gas tubes are pretty popular for these systems. Seems like a decent option for keeping the gas levels down closer to the source, instead of only relying on a heavy buffer.Thanks guys, I'm surprised to not see an adj gas block as an option unless they believe it will no longer be reliable. With past experience on large frame ARs, I can say they are sometimes tough to get running right.
Majority of mil dudes (primary market for LMT) shouldn’t be dicking with adjustable gas blocks. Plus they (LMT) would likely have a significant increase in customer service contacts which the solution would be “adjust the gas”…Thanks guys, I'm surprised to not see an adj gas block as an option unless they believe it will no longer be reliable. With past experience on large frame ARs, I can say they are sometimes tough to get running right.
Consensus is pretty much everything LMT makes is overgassed. In their live chat on YT last night with Joe Hajny, he stated they're currently doing testing on reducing gas port diameters because of how prevalent cans have become.
I have an OSS in jail right now for this very reason.