LMT .308 MWS

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I got to shoot mine today for the first time.

Man that stock has got to go. It sucks for prone shooting. I've ordered an A2 for it just to give it the same feel as my other ARs.

My trigger had some gritty creep in it about half way through the second stage. By the end of the day it was nearly gone.

I had a 12:00 O-clock 5-10 MPH wind for most of the day and that muzzle blast kicked up dust which came back in my face. Next time out I'm bringing a tarp to lay out.

Big suprise of the day was that Privi HPBT Match 168 graing consistantly did better than FGM 175.

I tried the stripper clip guide from my M1A on the magazine that came with the LTM. It is tight but it worked.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kchu02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quick question, why is the ACR better than the SOPMOD prone?

Thanks
kevin </div></div>

Take a look at the bottom of the stock in the picture. I, like most prone shooters, use a bag at the rear of the stock. All those protrusions from the length adjustment lever get in the way. The ACR does not have those protrusions, rather it has a sloped surface to work with. I don't want the added weight of the PRS. Thus the decision to try an A2. I would also like to add just a bit of height to the comb so I will be looking at a strap on cheek piece.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh BTW great pic and hows the LMT shooting?</div></div>

I think I have a bad right eye. I have know this for a few years now. I wish someone here could shoot my rifle and let me know how it shoots for them. If any one is in the Socal area and shoots at Burro can you shoot me a PM.
 
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As Prairie Dog mentioned its better suited for use with a bag but also affords an area that can be used in a manner such as a "butt hook". When a bag isnt an optinon most will cradle their offhand across the chest and hold the stock with it. With the SOPMOD there is nothing to hold onto.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Dog Dundee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kchu02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quick question, why is the ACR better than the SOPMOD prone?

Thanks
kevin </div></div>

Take a look at the bottom of the stock in the picture. I, like most prone shooters, use a bag at the rear of the stock. All those protrusions from the length adjustment lever get in the way. The ACR does not have those protrusions, rather it has a sloped surface to work with. I don't want the added weight of the PRS. Thus the decision to try an A2. I would also like to add just a bit of height to the comb so I will be looking at a strap on cheek piece.</div></div>

Ah ok thanks
 
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What scope is this (exact model)?

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Thanks for the load info guys. Sadly I only had 178 and 168 AMAXs to play with and IMR 4895. I put together 60 rounds total for pressure testing and will shoot them in the morning.

Ill take pics and let you all know how it goes!

PS

Anybody else feel that this is probably the coolest and most solid gun ever?
 
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Its the 1X4 with 7.62 calibration. I believe its calibrated for 147,s. I was after the 1.5X6 but a really good deal on this one presented its self. Going to be a while before I get trigger time though, wife had major surgury so Im wrapped up with getting her back on her feet.

Shane
 
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I just got mine last week, and have 440 rounds through it so far. Mixture of Wolf, Silver Bear, Black Hills 168, Hornady TAP, Hornady Super Performance 150 SST, PMC FMJ, and some 74 Indian OFV. All functioned 100% with no issues so far. Mags are Magpul LR's, and the one KAC mag that came with it.


Best accuracy Ive got so far is about 1.5" but that was just with the front resting on my pack. That was shot with the Black Hills. I only zero'd it, shot a couple groups, and moved over to 250 and 500 yard Larue steel targets. The cheap FMJ ammo is kinda spotty at 500 but for shooting steel it works ok.


I did replace the trigger with a Geisselle SSA since thats what I have in most of my guns, and what Im the most used to. I also replaced the SOPMOD with a CTR and the enhanced pad. ERGO got replaced with a Magpul MOE. Stock LMT sights got swapped with some KAC's.


Overall Im very happy with my purchase, and would do it again. Im looking forward to the 5R barrels as the range Im shooting at goes out to 1k yards. Ill probably use my SB 3-12X with the 5R when they come out, and the SB Short-Dot with the CL 16" barrel. Id like to eventually get a 2nd MWS for a dedicated gun in each.


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1st 9 shots out of my rifle, fired pretty fast (9 was all that was left in the box!)

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Im pretty happy with that. Looks like the scratches in my barrel didnt negatively affect accuracy.

I dont know what the deal is, but my trigger seems alot lighter than the alleged 6 lbs everyone else has. The first stage is a tad gritty but the second stage is quite light and fairly crisp. I will not be replacing it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weight is the take up plus the break weight for a total of 6ish lbs.I agree mine is more then fine for this type of gun.Enjoy it only gets better. </div></div>

Ahh that makes sense now!

I was thinking wtf theres no way this 2nd stage is 6 lbs.

Im really digging this rifle.

Any body else besides Anchor paint their's yet?

I kind of want mine to look like this SR-25 EMC. I like the contrast between the Cerakote Desert Sand and the FDE furniture.
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Any chance I can get a close enough look with just a rattle can?
Yes I know that rattle can paint is nothing compared to Cerakote, I just want a similar look.
 
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I've had mine out three times now. Round count is 420 and the trigger has smoothed out to a very nice smooth pull. It started as a bit gritty. No malfunctions of any kind. The most promising handload is a 168 grain Hornady A Max over 43.1 grains of RL15 with a GM210 primer and LC brass. Aussie surplus shoots into 1.25" and is the most accurate surplus I've found. Hornady TAP 168g FPD not so good at 1.32 inches. The target in the photo is a 12" disc and a four inch disc at 300 yards. The surplus Aussie was used on the larger and the above mentioned handload on the smaller.
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Very cool. You should try the 178 AMAX. Horizontal spread was ok, but the vertical stringing was more than
I would like. Perhaps it was due to my handloading inexperience.

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Jpatch

What is your load? I've tried five handloads, five factory loads and three military surplus loads. I'll do a report when I'm through. I'm seeing vertical stringing and four shots under 1/2 moa with one outside. Right now I'm attributing it to operator head space problems. The two targets shown have Pri Partizam 168 grain Match groups. The target with two groups has Pri on top and BVAC 168 g A Max Match on the lower.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jpach</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weight is the take up plus the break weight for a total of 6ish lbs.I agree mine is more then fine for this type of gun.Enjoy it only gets better. </div></div>

Ahh that makes sense now!

I was thinking wtf theres no way this 2nd stage is 6 lbs.

Im really digging this rifle.

Any body else besides Anchor paint their's yet?

I kind of want mine to look like this SR-25 EMC. I like the contrast between the Cerakote Desert Sand and the FDE furniture.
CQBSS1sredit.jpg


Any chance I can get a close enough look with just a rattle can?
Yes I know that rattle can paint is nothing compared to Cerakote, I just want a similar look. </div></div>

What quick disconnect socket is that in the back of your gun? The attachment point on the buffer tube.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jpach</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weight is the take up plus the break weight for a total of 6ish lbs.I agree mine is more then fine for this type of gun.Enjoy it only gets better. </div></div>

Ahh that makes sense now!

I was thinking wtf theres no way this 2nd stage is 6 lbs.

Im really digging this rifle.

Any body else besides Anchor paint their's yet?

I kind of want mine to look like this SR-25 EMC. I like the contrast between the Cerakote Desert Sand and the FDE furniture.
CQBSS1sredit.jpg


Any chance I can get a close enough look with just a rattle can?
Yes I know that rattle can paint is nothing compared to Cerakote, I just want a similar look. </div></div>

What quick disconnect socket is that in the back of your gun? The attachment point on the buffer tube. </div></div>

Thats a KAC rifle they have a flush cup in the reciever.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Dog Dundee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jpatch

What is your load? I've tried five handloads, five factory loads and three military surplus loads. I'll do a report when I'm through. I'm seeing vertical stringing and four shots under 1/2 moa with one outside. Right now I'm attributing it to operator head space problems. The two targets shown have Pri Partizam 168 grain Match groups. The target with two groups has Pri on top and BVAC 168 g A Max Match on the lower.
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PDD,

That load was 178 AMAX over 42.5gr of IMR 4895 in Remington brass and CCI 200 primers. Ive only tested for pressure so far so Ill let you know which load is my most accurate once I find it (along with the hottest).

Your groups are very respectable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jpach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PDD


Why do you think you are having headspace problems? What do you plan on doing to fix it? </div></div>

I said <span style="text-decoration: underline"> </span> operator <span style="text-decoration: underline"> </span> headspace i.e. shooter error. There is nothing wrong with the rifle,
 
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It looks like this mount. What is the best buffer tube sling mount out there right now? I saw the tango down mount but its huge.

http://www.tacticallink.com/X-180reg-Sling-Mount_p_14.html


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jpach</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weight is the take up plus the break weight for a total of 6ish lbs.I agree mine is more then fine for this type of gun.Enjoy it only gets better. </div></div>

Ahh that makes sense now!

I was thinking wtf theres no way this 2nd stage is 6 lbs.

Im really digging this rifle.

Any body else besides Anchor paint their's yet?

I kind of want mine to look like this SR-25 EMC. I like the contrast between the Cerakote Desert Sand and the FDE furniture.
CQBSS1sredit.jpg


Any chance I can get a close enough look with just a rattle can?
Yes I know that rattle can paint is nothing compared to Cerakote, I just want a similar look. </div></div>

What quick disconnect socket is that in the back of your gun? The attachment point on the buffer tube. </div></div>

Thats a KAC rifle they have a flush cup in the reciever. </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agree its a KAC but its not integral to the lower

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Pretty sure its this http://www.knightarmco.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=21


So far as I'm aware only the E-3 SR-15 has a FC in the Lower and rumor is they are not going to continue making those with FC either. </div></div>

I guess they do the 308s a little different the .223 are machined in.
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vmpgsc said:
With TR24G mounted.

It's 13.5lbs as pictured with 20 rounds in the mag. I wish it were lighter, but it is what it is. This is my first experience with the 1-4x Accupoint, but not my first dance with Trijicon products. The green triangle looks a lot like the red chevron on my TA31RCO-M4, so the sight picture is very familiar. The TR24G also accommodates my astigmatism MUCH better than the Comp M4s (and the M4s + 3x magnifier).

The plan is to zero at 200 yards for 0-300 yard practical accuracy, then dial my DOPE past that out to 600 or so. This will give me something to practice while I wait for the CQBSS or S&B 1.1-8x to be released.
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Now to get some range time in with this combination...

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Vmpgsc,
Have you had any time shooting your MWS w/ the TR24G mounted yet? If so would you mind giving me a little aar on the combo. I am in the market for one but I can't decide on red or green. I am used to using red because my TA31 and aimpoints are all red.I personally have had no experience with any green trijicon product and was wondering if you have noticed any wash out in certain lighting conditions or with a weapon light in use. I tried the rds/ magnifier combo as you have and it just wasn't working out. Thanks
 
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Mine is 14.5 lbs. Going to have the barrel cut to 14.5 and permanently attach a brake to16.1" and have the Dia cut similar equivalent of the 5.56 "pencil" barrel. Waiting on the 18+" barrel for DMR configuration.
 
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I call in every 2 weeks to LMT to ask about the 18" 5R barrels.... they always say end of the summer and guess what...... its damn near the end of it!

Fredo, why would you want to profile your barrel down to a pencil barrel in a 308? That's going to heat up quickly!
 
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This was discussed on M4.net I was on the verge of a chop job myself but Kevin B from KAC stated that KAC tried many barrel lengths and concluded 16 was as short as you really should go on a 308 AR.

If it were me I would look at flutes or dimples before chopping it. Reprofile is just a bad idea all around unless you have a means to stress releive after the machine work.
 
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The weight doesn't bother me but I wonder if they deep fluted the barrel shank that is clamped down if it would have any ill effects.That coupled with fluting the barrel would have to be a significant reduction.
 
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I just got mine $2225.00 out the door. I stole parts from other rifles for the moment as I wait for my larue lt-123's (for a NF 2.5-10X32), KAC micros, and KAC trigger guard (from JABTAC).

I want to put a few rounds through it before I install the Battlecomp.

It would be nice to see what kind of accuracy degradation (if any) occurs after this barrel is turned to a "pencil" diameter. A lot of the weight seems to be up front.

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By the time I'll be able to afford an LMT MWS hopefully DBMG LLC will have there barrel mod for it ready. Then you could stick an ABS Precision barrel on it.
 
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Is that the trijicon scope?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cdfiii</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
vmpgsc said:
With TR24G mounted.

It's 13.5lbs as pictured with 20 rounds in the mag. I wish it were lighter, but it is what it is. This is my first experience with the 1-4x Accupoint, but not my first dance with Trijicon products. The green triangle looks a lot like the red chevron on my TA31RCO-M4, so the sight picture is very familiar. The TR24G also accommodates my astigmatism MUCH better than the Comp M4s (and the M4s + 3x magnifier).

The plan is to zero at 200 yards for 0-300 yard practical accuracy, then dial my DOPE past that out to 600 or so. This will give me something to practice while I wait for the CQBSS or S&B 1.1-8x to be released.
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Now to get some range time in with this combination...

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Vmpgsc,
Have you had any time shooting your MWS w/ the TR24G mounted yet? If so would you mind giving me a little aar on the combo. I am in the market for one but I can't decide on red or green. I am used to using red because my TA31 and aimpoints are all red.I personally have had no experience with any green trijicon product and was wondering if you have noticed any wash out in certain lighting conditions or with a weapon light in use. I tried the rds/ magnifier combo as you have and it just wasn't working out. Thanks </div></div>
 
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So I went to a local intro to LR shooting match yesterday, and I had a blast!

I had only shot my rifle for groups at 100 yards prior to yesterday, and we had to engage targets out to 400 yards so I didnt do so well points-wise.

After the match, I still had some loads left over and was able to repeatedly bang the 600 yard small pig EVERY time. Then I shot at a rock at ~~700 yards with ease.

There is another day-time match in a couple months so by that time I will have new and improved 178 AMAX loads and actually know velocity, drop, etc at those distances.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that the trijicon scope?</div></div>

Yes, it's the Trijicon TR24G 1-4x with the green triangle reticle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cdfiii</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Vmpgsc,
Have you had any time shooting your MWS w/ the TR24G mounted yet? If so would you mind giving me a little aar on the combo. I am in the market for one but I can't decide on red or green. I am used to using red because my TA31 and aimpoints are all red.I personally have had no experience with any green trijicon product and was wondering if you have noticed any wash out in certain lighting conditions or with a weapon light in use. I tried the rds/ magnifier combo as you have and it just wasn't working out. Thanks </div></div>

I have a few rounds downrange with the TR24G mounted. It is my first green Trijicon reticle as well, and I really like it. It's much better than amber (for my eyes) and arguably better than red, although I would not cry if I had to use a red reticle. Certainly, the triangle reticle is much sharper to my eyes than the M4s 2MOA dot viewed through the 3x magnifier.

I shot from a shaded firing point on a bright sunny day with a grassy hill as my backstop and did not notice any issues with the green of the reticle not being immediately visible against the green of the grass and brush. Stepping into the sunlight to shoot offhand, I was grateful for the ability to adjust the fiberoptic window to keep the reticle sharp. Having this capability built-in (vs as a add-on for the ACOG) is very useful.

The eye box is not unlimited, but it is easy to get a good sight picture even at 4x. Glass is typical Trijicon quality (outstanding). I also like the adjustment knobs. You zero, then lift up on the outside of the knob to disengage it, and spin the markers to zero without moving the erector assembly. Pretty cool.

Zeroing the tip of the triangle at 50yds, the drop for my 168gr Amax factory loads is 4.1MOA, which is also the height of the triangle... so aiming at 300 you can dim down the illumination a bit by closing off the fiberoptic window, then use the base of the triangle as your aiming point. You won't be shooting bugholes, but you'll certainly get good hits on steel with meaningful accuracy. Past 300, you can set up a rough BDC on the elevation knob by coloring in markers for 400, 500, etc.

Overall, the TR24G is a good optic for the 308MWS (understanding its limitations). I'm not at all disappointed, and I suspect you won't be, either.
 
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With a mag but no ammo(low cap state so it would through off comparisons) my MWS came in at 12Lbs with the Specter on there. I used a fishing scale. Dont know how accurate they are as I dont fish. I just bought it for this
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For comparison, my DSA SA58 Carbine with empty mag and no optics came in at 9.75.

Shane
 
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My only nag about the scope is the long post. If your in a hurry and laying on a sloped hillside I think it would be difficult to determine exact level with that post. If your off 1 degree at 4-500 yards of elevation it would not be a hit.

I wish they would give us a choice of reticles on the 1-4x trijicon or even make a tactical 1-6x with choice of reticles.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that the trijicon scope?</div></div>

Yes, it's the Trijicon TR24G 1-4x with the green triangle reticle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cdfiii</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Vmpgsc,
Have you had any time shooting your MWS w/ the TR24G mounted yet? If so would you mind giving me a little aar on the combo. I am in the market for one but I can't decide on red or green. I am used to using red because my TA31 and aimpoints are all red.I personally have had no experience with any green trijicon product and was wondering if you have noticed any wash out in certain lighting conditions or with a weapon light in use. I tried the rds/ magnifier combo as you have and it just wasn't working out. Thanks </div></div>

I have a few rounds downrange with the TR24G mounted. It is my first green Trijicon reticle as well, and I really like it. It's much better than amber (for my eyes) and arguably better than red, although I would not cry if I had to use a red reticle. Certainly, the triangle reticle is much sharper to my eyes than the M4s 2MOA dot viewed through the 3x magnifier.

I shot from a shaded firing point on a bright sunny day with a grassy hill as my backstop and did not notice any issues with the green of the reticle not being immediately visible against the green of the grass and brush. Stepping into the sunlight to shoot offhand, I was grateful for the ability to adjust the fiberoptic window to keep the reticle sharp. Having this capability built-in (vs as a add-on for the ACOG) is very useful.

The eye box is not unlimited, but it is easy to get a good sight picture even at 4x. Glass is typical Trijicon quality (outstanding). I also like the adjustment knobs. You zero, then lift up on the outside of the knob to disengage it, and spin the markers to zero without moving the erector assembly. Pretty cool.

Zeroing the tip of the triangle at 50yds, the drop for my 168gr Amax factory loads is 4.1MOA, which is also the height of the triangle... so aiming at 300 you can dim down the illumination a bit by closing off the fiberoptic window, then use the base of the triangle as your aiming point. You won't be shooting bugholes, but you'll certainly get good hits on steel with meaningful accuracy. Past 300, you can set up a rough BDC on the elevation knob by coloring in markers for 400, 500, etc.

Overall, the TR24G is a good optic for the 308MWS (understanding its limitations). I'm not at all disappointed, and I suspect you won't be, either.

</div></div>
 
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Just finished added my badger ordnance TRAMP mount (tatical rapid adjustable mount point) on my LMT. I pick up the badger rings also but am waiting for the vortex 1-4 scope to come in. I will be shooting today with the PWS FSC30 on for the first time. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the standard A2.
target was a 100yds with 3x acog, 178gr AMAX 45.5gr hodgdon BLC2
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