Rifle Scopes March 1-10 Shorty Dual Focal - Reviews?

[NC_Libertarian]

Good summary. I'll have my final review out shortly and I have to say that other than the tube diameter, it is a very well done design. They should have just made it a straight 34mm tube.

I suspect that the reason for the odd tube diameter is that originally it was supposed to be mounted with a single wide 30mm ring. In my opinion, that's insufficient, but I was not involved with it in any way.

Since they did not plan to have anything clamping over the objective, it ended up being of the smallest size they could get away with, presumably to keep the size and weight down.

In retrospect, making it a straight 34mm tube would not make that much weight difference, but hindsight is always 20/20.

ILya

They did not need to go so far as 34mm on the whole tube. Keep the 30mm rear, step up to 34mm on the objective, and then you can combine any 34mm mount with a pair of these:

Problem solved, with a large number of available mounts. I don't understand why this path was not chosen.

 

[koshkin]

They did not need to go so far as 34mm on the whole tube. Keep the 30mm rear, step up to 34mm on the objective, and then you can combine any 34mm mount with a pair of these:

Problem solved, with a large number of available mounts. I don't understand why this path was not chosen.

Probably because noone thought they would ever need to clamp the front of the scope.

ILya

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Any updates on this scope?

 

[NC_Libertarian]

Any updates on this scope?

I have used mine a decent amount. Do you have specific area you want to know about?

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Yes. Have you found it to be a good general use lpvo like you had planned? I had actually had similar thoughts about it being on a lightweight type run and gun compared to a kahles k16i or vortex 1-6 type sfp scope.

Do you think it would work as a general lpvo on something like a lightweight 16 inch 308 compared to an atacr 1-8? How is the eyebox?

Thanks! Reviews from people with a lot of time on it don't seem to be that easy to find.

 

[rlsmith1]

I’d love to hear how sensitive the parallax is too

 

[NC_Libertarian]

Yes. Have you found it to be a good general use lpvo like you had planned? I had actually had similar thoughts about it being on a lightweight type run and gun compared to a kahles k16i or vortex 1-6 type sfp scope.

Do you think it would work as a general lpvo on something like a lightweight 16 inch 308 compared to an atacr 1-8? How is the eyebox?

Thanks! Reviews from people with a lot of time on it don't seem to be that easy to find.

My thoughts on it have not changed. To summarize for those late to the party:

General
1) It is light. The biggest plus for most people. Nothing else on the market can provide this level of optic capability for the weight.
2) It is short. I have not found this to be a specific plus or minus, but it adds to the weight reduction.
3) The odd mounting is an annoying design decision, though I have a solution. I will post it up some time soon.
4) The eyebox is good, though it does get a bit tight at high magnification, like every other scope out there in this design realm. I don't have specific numbers or measurements, but I can say that I have never had an eyebox issue interfere with anything I have tried to do with it.

Parallax & Depth of Field
1) The adjustable parallax makes this my favorite LPVO by far. My eyes do not like a fixed parallax, such as my Razor 1-6x. It is slightly out of focus for me at just about every distance any significant distance from its fixed number. I am very familiar with parallax adjustments due to my previous long-range bolt shooting, so this is a great feature all-around for me.
2) One of the sacrifices of the short lens stack is a reduced depth of field. No way this scope could actually be used without the adjustable parallax. So in truth the side focus is as much a required component as it is a bonus feature.

Reticle
1) The dual focal plane is the bees knees. If it wasn't so difficult to implement, everyone would be doing it. Truly the best of both worlds.
2) If your battery dies, you still have a great SFP crosshair for low mag, and a solid FFP reticle at magnification.

Optics at 1x
1) The illuminated dot is BRIGHT. No issues in full sunlight. I keep seeing these people trying to base the brightness of the light by someone's video on YT. A video does not capture it effectively. It is bright enough for any location I have been on planet earth at its highest setting.
2) The dot is small, which is great for precision. But I also find it good for closer shots. many people preach larger dots for faster target acquisition, but I find this small dot to be my preference. An example story later.
3) Some people complain about the size of the scope ring view in 1x, I find it to be irrelevant.
4) It is, nevertheless, not a red dot. No LPVO is a red dot. But this is better than anything other LPVO I have used, better than my Gen II-E 1-6x as a red dot. The dot is so bright that it simply cuts through everything and superimposes a nice crisp, small dot in my target view.

Optics at 10x
1) The glass is very good, way better than my Razor 1-6x. But there are some compromises resulting from its design.
2) The field of view at 10x is small. But then so is any 24mm 10x scope, no way around it.
3) At max magnification, there is some slight fish-eye effect near the edges of the viewing field. Not terrible, but there. I am sure this is a by-product of having such a short lens stack. This does tend to slightly reduce the usable field of view by even a little more, so know that if FOV is a big factor for you.
4) 2 & 3 above make this scope a bit difficult to use at high magnification, unless you can get in a solid fixed position like a bipod or bag. I do not have a lot of personal experience behind other 10x LPVOs, but I had the same complaint about them, as do others.
5) Continuing on above, I have struggled to locate the target at 10x in some cases, and resort to reduced magnification most of the time. In fact, I think this scope would be just as good if it were max 8x, at least for how I use it. A maximum of 7x or 8x is about where I set it at for actual use anyway. 10x is not very usable in a time-driven situation, such as Run n Gun where I operate it. If you were stationary hunting off of a bipod, you won't have as much issue with it. But if that were the case, I believe there are likely better scope choices for that application in most cases.



I have good bit more to say about the scope, and planned to do that now. But it is late, and we have a hurricane hitting on 4-5 hours. So I will come back tomorrow and give more opinions and experiences on it.

 

[NC_Libertarian]

I’d love to hear how sensitive the parallax is too

I have some feedback on that as well. I will give it tomorrow.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

My thoughts on it have not changed. To summarize for those late to the party:

General
1) It is light. The biggest plus for most people. Nothing else on the market can provide this level of optic capability for the weight.
2) It is short. I have not found this to be a specific plus or minus, but it adds to the weight reduction.
3) The odd mounting is an annoying design decision, though I have a solution. I will post it up some time soon.
4) The eyebox is good, though it does get a bit tight at high magnification, like every other scope out there in this design realm. I don't have specific numbers or measurements, but I can say that I have never had an eyebox issue interfere with anything I have tried to do with it.

Parallax & Depth of Field
1) The adjustable parallax makes this my favorite LPVO by far. My eyes do not like a fixed parallax, such as my Razor 1-6x. It is slightly out of focus for me at just about every distance any significant distance from its fixed number. I am very familiar with parallax adjustments due to my previous long-range bolt shooting, so this is a great feature all-around for me.
2) One of the sacrifices of the short lens stack is a reduced depth of field. No way this scope could actually be used without the adjustable parallax. So in truth the side focus is as much a required component as it is a bonus feature.

Reticle
1) The dual focal plane is the bees knees. If it wasn't so difficult to implement, everyone would be doing it. Truly the best of both worlds.
2) If your battery dies, you still have a great SFP crosshair for low mag, and a solid FFP reticle at magnification.

Optics at 1x
1) The illuminated dot is BRIGHT. No issues in full sunlight. I keep seeing these people trying to base the brightness of the light by someone's video on YT. A video does not capture it effectively. It is bright enough for any location I have been on planet earth at its highest setting.
2) The dot is small, which is great for precision. But I also find it good for closer shots. many people preach larger dots for faster target acquisition, but I find this small dot to be my preference. An example story later.
3) Some people complain about the size of the scope ring view in 1x, I find it to be irrelevant.
4) It is, nevertheless, not a red dot. No LPVO is a red dot. But this is better than anything other LPVO I have used, better than my Gen II-E 1-6x as a red dot. The dot is so bright that it simply cuts through everything and superimposes a nice crisp, small dot in my target view.

Optics at 10x
1) The glass is very good, way better than my Razor 1-6x. But there are some compromises resulting from its design.
2) The field of view at 10x is small. But then so is any 24mm 1x scope, no way around it.
3) At max magnification, there is some slight fish-eye effect near the edges of the viewing field. Not terrible, but there. I am sure this is a by-product of having such a short lens stack. This does tend to slightly reduce the usable field of view by even a little more, so know that if FOV is a big factor for you.
4) 2 & 3 above make this scope a bit difficult to use at high magnification, unless you can get in a solid fixed position like a bipod or bag. I do not have a lot of personal experience behind other 10x LPVOs, but I had the same complaint about them, as do others.
5) Continuing on above, I have struggled to locate the target at 10x in some cases, and resort to reduced magnification most of the time. In fact, I think this scope would be just as good if it were max 8x, at least for how I use it. A maximum of 7x or 8x is about where I set it at for actual use anyway. 10x is not very usable in a time-driven situation, such as Run n Gun where I operate it. If you were stationary hunting off of a bipod, you won't have as much issue with it. But if that were the case, I believe there are likely better scope choices for that application in most cases.



I have good bit more to say about the scope, and planned to do that now. But it is late, and we have a hurricane hitting on 4-5 hours. So I will come back tomorrow and give more opinions and experiences on it.

Excellent summary! This is exactly what I was looking for after reading so much about it. Thank you for taking the time to type all of this out. I can't wait to read the rest of your thoughts.

Keep your head down and stay safe!

 

[DacianMH]

Any updates on this scope?

There aren’t a lot of them going around. I have one and absolutely love it but I’ll be selling mine since there are other projects that need attention right now…but for the short while I had it up until this point (since February) it’s near perfect. 17.7 oz 1-10x scope that has illumination and a parallax wheel is rare if there are any others out there I’m not aware of it. Clarity bests the nightforce NX8 1-8 and id say is up there with the nightforce ATACR in image quality. The previous poster NC Libertarian summed it up best really. But for me I’d add that I would have rather gotten the capped model (wasn’t available at the time) since I don’t dial much at all on this scope and mainly use the reticle so that’s something to consider. I will purchase the capped 1-8x model since that one has all the features I’d prefer for the shooting you’re talking about.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

There aren’t a lot of them going around. I have one and absolutely love it but I’ll be selling mine since there are other projects that need attention right now…but for the short while I had it up until this point (since February) it’s near perfect. 17.7 oz 1-10x scope that has illumination and a parallax wheel is rare if there are any others out there I’m not aware of it. Clarity bests the nightforce NX8 1-8 and id say is up there with the nightforce ATACR in image quality.

Thanks! I am primarily trying to figure out if this could work with a lightweight 16 inch 308 as a general purpose type optic. I have been looking at the usual sfp and ffp types like kahles for sfp and nightforce for ffp, but both have their pros and cons.

I wanted to see how this stacked up in actual use on things like eye box and doing more than just prone shooting. I have loved the idea of this in theory since the tree reticle was announced. I suppose my only real concern is too many trade offs were made to get such a light and small scope that is 1 to 10.

 

[Burdy]

I had actually had similar thoughts about it being on a lightweight type run and gun compared to a kahles k16i or vortex 1-6 type sfp scope.

When you say run and gun, do you mean for run and gun events? In my experience, exposed non-locking or uncapped turrets suck for that.

 

[NC_Libertarian]

When you say run and gun, do you mean for run and gun events? In my experience, exposed non-locking or uncapped turrets suck for that.

March makes the scope with either "tactical" exposed turrets or capped turrets. Mine is capped.

 

[smarcus]

The previous poster NC Libertarian summed it up very well. I've had a similar experience and would purchase a 2nd one if I needed another LPVO. I have found the parallax a bit sensitive when transitioning to short (100 yards) to further (500 yards). But the ability to dial it out is extremely useful.

 

[Burdy]

March makes the scope with either "tactical" exposed turrets or capped turrets. Mine is capped.

Perfect. Forgot that was an option.

 

[DacianMH]

Thanks! I am primarily trying to figure out if this could work with a lightweight 16 inch 308 as a general purpose type optic. I have been looking at the usual sfp and ffp types like kahles for sfp and nightforce for ffp, but both have their pros and cons.

I wanted to see how this stacked up in actual use on things like eye box and doing more than just prone shooting. I have loved the idea of this in theory since the tree reticle was announced. I suppose my only real concern is too many trade offs were made to get such a light and small scope that is 1 to 10.

It has a lot more pros than cons over most of the LPVO’s in my opinion. Keep in mind March also makes a 1-8 with capped with no parallax wheel and a similar reticle to the one on the 1-8 NX8 for your purpose as you stated.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Thanks everyone for the responses so far. Lots of great info. I should clarify that my thinking is to see if it would be a good fit on an sr25 CC. That is the well balanced and lightweight 308 that is designed as a big m4 type general use rifle.

I am not really looking toward anything geared for precision and lots of prone shooting as the primary purpose. If that was my goal I would be looking at a 3x15 or 4x16 type scope. I am wanting something with a good eye box that would be able to handle this type of design.

Both sfp and ffp scopes could work with a lightweight general use 308, but both also have some cons. The dual reticle would seem to solve that, assuming the eye box is large enough and it is durable. I like the Christmas tree reticle and think it could work very well for rapid holdover shots.

The only clear con I can think of on paper is that heavy mount made for it because of the strange dimensions of the scope, which seems to negate some of the weight savings. I don't like qd scope mounts anyway and tend to stick with badger comm, so this probably only adds a couple more ounces.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

When you say run and gun, do you mean for run and gun events? In my experience, exposed non-locking or uncapped turrets suck for that.

100% agreed. I would only get it with capped turrets.

 

[PBWalsh]

I had one and used rings from American Rifle Company. They have a special sizing for them. @Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Overall, I thought it was a good optic but sold it after using it for a session. It just didn’t “do it” for me. Didn’t have the easiest time getting behind it and found I actually preferred a PST 1-6 over it. Kinda hated it above 7ish power. The red dot is easily daylight bright though, very well done. I sold it to a guy on here who was putting it on a 6.5 G and will most likely find a better use for it than me on a general purpose 12.5” 556.

For what its worth, I went to a TA31 ACOG/rds combo and found it superior for my use and my eyes. Obviously to most this would be a downgrade, but everyone is different.

 

[Bart]

I have had both the 1-8 ATACR and the March, and was looking to put them on a fix, so same(ish) concept.
I went with the march first, used the burris rings combo, and it really didn't work for me, so I returned the March and got the ATACR. Trading the ATACR, as it wasn't (for me!) as clear as the March, and harder to pick up on the lower end.
Really regret returning the March, and wish I had just spent the extra money and gotten the adure (sp?) unimount made for it, I think that would have solved all/most of my issues with the scope
While the March isn't perfect, it really is pretty damn versatile and lightweight, and NC did a great job with his review!

 

[TheOE800]

I have had both the 1-8 ATACR and the March, and was looking to put them on a fix, so same(ish) concept.
I went with the march first, used the burris rings combo, and it really didn't work for me, so I returned the March and got the ATACR. Trading the ATACR, as it wasn't (for me!) as clear as the March, and harder to pick up on the lower end.
Really regret returning the March, and wish I had just spent the extra money and gotten the adure (sp?) unimount made for it, I think that would have solved all/most of my issues with the scope
While the March isn't perfect, it really is pretty damn versatile and lightweight, and NC did a great job with his review!

Of the LPVOs I’ve had, the March only bested by the Schmidt. As I prefer the Schmidt, I’ll get around to listing the full package March w/ mount soon.

 

[DacianMH]

I have had both the 1-8 ATACR and the March, and was looking to put them on a fix, so same(ish) concept.
I went with the march first, used the burris rings combo, and it really didn't work for me, so I returned the March and got the ATACR. Trading the ATACR, as it wasn't (for me!) as clear as the March, and harder to pick up on the lower end.
Really regret returning the March, and wish I had just spent the extra money and gotten the adure (sp?) unimount made for it, I think that would have solved all/most of my issues with the scope
While the March isn't perfect, it really is pretty damn versatile and lightweight, and NC did a great job with his review!

I still have mine If you’re interested. It’s listed on eBay but I can just as easily pull it off and let you take it with the ARMS mount. There’s also this option. https://www.americanrifle.com/shop/mb-r-3033-28-m-brace-scope-rings-for-march-1-10x24-1768#attr=

PM me if anyone is interested. It’s pristine no signs of use.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I have had both the 1-8 ATACR and the March, and was looking to put them on a fix, so same(ish) concept.
I went with the march first, used the burris rings combo, and it really didn't work for me, so I returned the March and got the ATACR. Trading the ATACR, as it wasn't (for me!) as clear as the March, and harder to pick up on the lower end.
Really regret returning the March, and wish I had just spent the extra money and gotten the adure (sp?) unimount made for it, I think that would have solved all/most of my issues with the scope
While the March isn't perfect, it really is pretty damn versatile and lightweight, and NC did a great job with his review!

Just the sort of feedback I was trying to get since you had the atacr and March

How did the eye boxes compare? How often did you have to adjust the parallax inside 500 yards? Was the March good at rapid targets at various distances? Thanks!

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Of the LPVOs I’ve had, the March only bested by the Schmidt. As I prefer the Schmidt, I’ll get around to listing the full package March w/ mount soon.

What all lpvos have you tried? The Schmidt does look amazing. I hate it is so much $$$ though....

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I had one and used rings from American Rifle Company. They have a special sizing for them. @Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Overall, I thought it was a good optic but sold it after using it for a session. It just didn’t “do it” for me. Didn’t have the easiest time getting behind it and found I actually preferred a PST 1-6 over it. Kinda hated it above 7ish power. The red dot is easily daylight bright though, very well done. I sold it to a guy on here who was putting it on a 6.5 G and will most likely find a better use for it than me on a general purpose 12.5” 556.

For what its worth, I went to a TA31 ACOG/rds combo and found it superior for my use and my eyes. Obviously to most this would be a downgrade, but everyone is different.

Totally understand and for that short of a 556 I think you made the right call. I had thought about putting a March on a lightweight colt 6960 or bcm elw rifle, but decided to just stick with my kahles k16i for a 556.

 

[TheOE800]

What all lpvos have you tried? The Schmidt does look amazing. I hate it is so much $$$ though....

ATACR (FC-DMx reticle), Vortex Gen 3, March, Schmidt. Skipped Kahles and Swarovski nor have I played with the SFP 1-6 class of scopes (Vortex Gen 2) though I had a K16i and Nightforce 1-4x years ago.

The Schmidt is very nice, but cost is easily 2x anything else out there and the 1x reticle is too small to use if the illumination goes out or battery dies.

I don’t think the March fits the role I wanted to press it into which is a general purpose/all-around 14.5” 5.56. It absolutely feels better on that carbine than the ATACR and Vortex though, especially once the can is added.

 

[Bart]

Happiness,
For me, the eyebox was better on the March, but not a huge deal better, I think that cramming that much magnification in that small of a package really makes using the parallax mandatory (i really missed the parallax on the atacr!), and I didn't have the chance to really run and gun with it, sorry!

PB- i think the acog/rds is absolutely legit, and not necessarily a step backwards! Super underrated setup for sure.

 

[TheOE800]

I think that cramming that much magnification in that small of a package really makes using the parallax mandatory (i really missed the parallax on the atacr!), and I didn't have the chance to really run and gun with it, sorry!

Yeah, you can’t resolve images at varying distances without messing with the parallax. It’s absolutely a factor of the optical formula, otherwise the scope could be longer with less touchy or no parallax at all like the fixed parallax LPVOs out there.

 

[davesa]

I used the Leap/02 with my March and it has been working great. it is a light mount for a light scope and only attaches to the side in front of the turrets ( closest to your eye )

I have a Minox ZP8 and like the March better... I appreciate the parallax and the lightness - plus the dot at 1x is brighter

the ability to focus to 10m is pretty unique in scopes and means it would be great for an air rifle or .22lr as well as a larger rifle - when you spend $$ on a scope it is nice to have extra versatility

 

[Tbraginton]

If anyone still has one for sale please PM me. I’m a potential buyer.

 

[steve123]

I have one of these. I find that adjusting the side focus is only needed above 4.5x.
1x-4x just set the side focus at the approx distance you think you'll need it most
Me;
1x for close in like inside the house or yard. It primarily stays there.
2x for 20Y to 60Y-ish like say hunting coyotes in the junipers.
I've always liked 4x for hunting medium sized game inside 200Y.
Farther out I usually use 10x and have time to focus, most often its for steel out to 800Y.

There's so much to like about this scope I doubt I'll part with it. I've had 4 other LPVO's that were almost the opposite. Some were good at some things but none were good at everything a LPVO could be used for like this one is. I sold those.

 

[gxer]

Agree with above, I never touch the side focus at low magnification.
The ability to go to 10x is the reason everyone has been saying parallax needs to be adjusted constantly. But if you need to go to 10x, you probably have the time to adjust parallax.

 

[jstalford]

They did not need to go so far as 34mm on the whole tube. Keep the 30mm rear, step up to 34mm on the objective, and then you can combine any 34mm mount with a pair of these:

Problem solved, with a large number of available mounts. I don't understand why this path was not chosen.

What was your plan for using the scalar mount? I assume one of those in the rear, but what about the 33mm?

 

[NC_Libertarian]

What was your plan for using the scalar mount? I assume one of those in the rear, but what about the 33mm?

Shim stock.

If that doesn't work, it is possible to make set of 34-33 reducers. It is just not an easy task to machine something with that thin of a wall.

 

[DacianMH]

Shim stock.

If that doesn't work, it is possible to make set of 34-33 reducers. It is just not an easy task to machine something with that thin of a wall.

I bought 1mm aluminum shim stock and have access to a laser cutter. We’re trying it out and if it goes as we hope I will see if there’s any interest on here and I can sell them to any interested parties.

 

[NC_Libertarian]

I bought 1mm aluminum shim stock and have access to a laser cutter. We’re trying it out and if it goes as we hope I will see if there’s any interest on here and I can sell them to any interested parties.

I can already tell you it won't work out well. You need 0.5mm shim stock.

 

[DacianMH]

I can already tell you it won't work out well. You need 0.5mm shim stock.

Based off what scope rings? From 34mm to 33mm is 1mm difference with aluminum being slightly compressible at that thinness I’d say its more than likely going to work. Also the finished shim stock inserts will be media blasted and anodized so it will lose a couple thousands after finish blasting. This has been my experience with shim stock work. But if it doesn’t then I guess I’ll go to the next step down in thickness and repeat.

 

[robozebra]

Based off what scope rings? From 34mm to 33mm is 1mm difference with aluminum being slightly compressible at that thinness I’d say its more than likely going to work. Also the finished shim stock inserts will be media blasted and anodized so it will lose a couple thousands after finish blasting. This has been my experience with shim stock work. But if it doesn’t then I guess I’ll go to the next step down in thickness and repeat.

What he’s saying is if you wrap the tube in 1 mm stock, you have 2 mm of aluminum. There would be one layer on each side of the 34 mm rings (top and bottom), so you’d have 32 mm of room. You need 0.5 mm stock to wrap it to move from 34 to 33.

 

[TheOE800]

What he’s saying is if you wrap the tube in 1 mm stock, you have 2 mm of aluminum. There would be one layer on each side of the 34 mm rings (top and bottom), so you’d have 32 mm of room. You need 0.5 mm stock to wrap it to move from 34 to 33.

Bingo

 

[DacianMH]

Bingo

I see what you’re saying but that’s not how it actually adds up. So several of the 34mm rings I measured were at 34.10mm with some even as high as 34.20mm. The rings themselves are typically not undersized to allow for compression over a scope body if they’re aluminum rings if I’m not mistaken. The 1mm stock I have is not exactly 1mm. It’s more like .97mm and after finish blasting it’s further reduced .01mm - .02mm possibly more dependent on how aggressive the blasting is because I also don’t want them to be glass smooth for the obvious reason, I’ve tried this before with a thinner shim stock, maybe closer to what you were taking about and under recoil the scope moved forward and aft. Also aluminum shim stock compressed fairly easily…how much I don’t know. Scalarworks Leap 07 and 08 do it with some of the Vortex Scopes and anything else with a smooth finish even when torqued to spec. So it’s a trial and error thing. I’ll just have to test and if I need to I’ll scale down like I said before but exactly .05mm I believe is slightly undersized.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

How many have been using the leap mount? Does it hold zero? In general, I tend to trust regular mounts to hold zero better than QD. But that is quite the weight savings over the stock March mount.

Nc Libertarian, did you end up using a scalarworks mount or something else?

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I used the Leap/02 with my March and it has been working great. it is a light mount for a light scope and only attaches to the side in front of the turrets ( closest to your eye )

I have a Minox ZP8 and like the March better... I appreciate the parallax and the lightness - plus the dot at 1x is brighter

the ability to focus to 10m is pretty unique in scopes and means it would be great for an air rifle or .22lr as well as a larger rifle - when you spend $$ on a scope it is nice to have extra versatility

You haven't had any issues with holding zero? I think this option is 3 or 4 ounces lighter than the March stock mount, so it is appealing.

 

[DacianMH]

How many have been using the leap mount? Does it hold zero? In general, I tend to trust regular mounts to hold zero better than QD. But that is quite the weight savings over the stock March mount.

Nc Libertarian, did you end up using a scalarworks mount or something else?

They’re garbage stay away. I’ve had two break at the hinges and the Leap 08 requires you to torque to 20 inch lbs but the scope would move under recoil. The customer service was good but that doesn’t take care of the damaged scopes that were mounted in the mounts. I sent the scope in with the mount and they pretty much put aluminum black on the scope and sent me a new mount that’s been torqued to 25 inch lbs instead of the spec listed on the side. I’ve since gotten rid of it and went back to Spuhr, ADM, Badger Ordnance COM’s and Larues. For the Aimpoint CompM5 they’re gtg though.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

They’re garbage stay away. I’ve had two break at the hinges and the Leap 08 requires you to torque to 20 inch lbs but the scope would move under recoil. The customer service was good but that doesn’t take care of the damaged scopes that were mounted in the mounts. I sent the scope in with the mount and they pretty much put aluminum black on the scope and sent me a new mount that’s been torqued to 25 inch lbs instead of the spec listed on the side. I’ve since gotten rid of it and went back to Spuhr, ADM, Badger Ordnance COM’s and Larues. For the Aimpoint CompM5 they’re gtg though.

Thank you very much! I looked at the listed weight and was curious how it could be reliable. I guess the answer is it is not. I tend to use badger mounts anyway, and I think they only weigh an oz more than the March mount.

 

[DacianMH]

Thank you very much! I looked at the listed weight and was curious how it could be reliable. I guess the answer is it is not. I tend to use badger mounts anyway, and I think they only weigh an oz more than the March mount.

Yeah I hate to bash a product but I’ve had a bad relationship with their products. A reputable gun manufacturer that I work with has since gotten rid of all of theirs they had customers complain about the same reasons with the Leap 07’s. A really good YouTuber compared these mounts for zero reset too and it did poorly. I really wanted them to do well because on paper they just sound so good and they look well made and contoured nicely but the mounts we had from them just weren’t holding up.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Yeah I hate to bash a product but I’ve had a bad relationship with their products. A reputable gun manufacturer that I work with has since gotten rid of all of theirs they had customers complain about the same reasons with the Leap 07’s. A really good YouTuber compared these mounts for zero reset too and it did poorly. I really wanted them to do well because on paper they just sound so good and they look well made and contoured nicely but the mounts we had from them just weren’t holding up.

Yeah, I guess it is too good to be true. A mount that light would have been perfect for the March, but it doesn't do much good if it doesn't hold zero. Maybe someone else will come along and make a light weight mount for the March lpvo.

 

[Glassaholic]

I have an older LEAP/07, hinge just fractured, I sent a warranty note and they said they'll take care of it right away, that was last Saturday, I provided all the information they requested but haven't heard back, hopefully they'll get back soon and will get me taken care of. Their new design is supposed to be stronger, I guess I'll find out.

 

[NC_Libertarian]

They’re garbage stay away. I’ve had two break at the hinges and the Leap 08 requires you to torque to 20 inch lbs but the scope would move under recoil. The customer service was good but that doesn’t take care of the damaged scopes that were mounted in the mounts. I sent the scope in with the mount and they pretty much put aluminum black on the scope and sent me a new mount that’s been torqued to 25 inch lbs instead of the spec listed on the side. I’ve since gotten rid of it and went back to Spuhr, ADM, Badger Ordnance COM’s and Larues. For the Aimpoint CompM5 they’re gtg though.

I have a Scalarworks on my first competition gun:

It was assembled just as shown here 2.5 years ago, and the scope has never been off of it since Day 1. It has been through 3 days of a carbine course, 6 Run n Guns, and over 2900 rounds. It has never moved. And this mount is the early model with the apparently troublesome hinge pin.

 

[theLBC]

I got a leap mount on my pcp air rifle.
No issues so far, lol.

 

[NC_Libertarian]

How many have been using the leap mount? Does it hold zero? In general, I tend to trust regular mounts to hold zero better than QD. But that is quite the weight savings over the stock March mount.

Nc Libertarian, did you end up using a scalarworks mount or something else?

I have never put the Scalarworks/March setup on a rifle. I am currently using the original March Shorty single ring mount (#MAR2037), now discontinued. I don't have a picture of it on my rifle, but you can find pictures of the mount on the web with a search.

Many people, including some I much respect their experience, say they have had issues with this scope mount. I have not.
I will take a picture and post it later.