Re: March FFP 3x-24x Tactical Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rksimple</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ian A. Kelbly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys,
I am really liking the feedback and info we are getting from you. This is why we put this stuff out here, is to get your opinion. I was talking today to a designer and we both agree that the dot is too big. We will be able to get some ideas from you guys, by showing you our ideas. The main basis for this scope is for quick tactical shooting/ man size targets. We use SFP scopes for precision paper, because the reticle is always thin. Using a FFP scope to punch paper really makes no sense to me. I see this scope as a great scope for shooting steel as well as hunting and or larger targets.
<span style="color: #FF0000">I am really trying to grasp what you guys want from a scope?</span> The problem with an 8x magnification ratio, is the extreme growth of the reticle. It is very hard to make a reticle that is great at 3x and at 24x.
March plans on designing new reticles for this scope as well, but we need feedback first on the reticles and what is needed.
Thanks,
Ian </div></div>
Ian,
I and others I'm sure,consider rksimple the best tactical shooter here out west.He and a few cohorts opinions and input would be invaluable to you.My advice...begin communication with someone who knows what most of us(tactical match shooters)would like in a reticle.
IMO,the only time I dial my FFP scopes all the way down to lowest power is when I'm shooting through the chrono.In other words,very rarely is it necessary on a one way range.
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Thanks Steve. That means a lot coming from you.
Ian, I'll send you a PM. I'd really like to put some ideas out there. The FFP market is huge and a great reticle is all we're waiting for.
The reason why we need to punch paper with FFP optics is because there are many different COF's at any given match. I could have a fast steel stage followed by a paper KYL stage with a 1/4 moa dot as the smallest target. The best all around optic is FFP, and like Steve said, despite the magnification range, I never go below 8-10x. Except maybe when I have a 10-15 yard stage where my scope won't focus that close, and shooting at 3x allows at least a minimum focus. Making the optic focus at 10M or so should help immensely with that. </div></div>
Your welcome RK,just giving credit where credit is do
"I think" the new March 3-24 FFP focuses down to 10Y ??? Hopefully anyways!
Ian,
Here's a thread I started with some pics of the IOR MP8 reticle in some FFP 6-24x56 at different magnifications.The dot and reticle up to the posts are .1 mil thick.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1974506&page=1
24X,yes I know the picture sucks
Maybe others could post some through the scope pics of other manufacturers reticles in their 5-25 FFP scopes for comparison and commentary.
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Guys, I started the precision thing with smallbore when I was 12 or 13. When I got my own rifle and equipped it with front and rear aperture sights, I discovered on one winter afternoon that it was stupidly easy to hit tiny glass shards reflecting in the sun at 100+ yards *because I could just center the tiny aiming point in the center of the front sights "ring".
We're talking 1 MOA or smaller targets with iron sights.
We're talking the continued tradition of Olympic shooters consistently hitting a dime-size 10-ring (slightly less, actually) at 50 meters, with iron sights.
Personally, I'd prefer a crosshair that is interrupted, without that pesky dot. For high magnification, a little extension of the crosshairs by 0.2 mil "inside" the .5-mill hashmark should allow some pretty precise centering on even a pinprick aiming point, NEVER obscure anything, and also allow a reasonably thick crosshair just because it never obscures anything at the center.
But I'm also with everyone who wants 10 or more mills down on the vertical crosshair. Holdover to 1,000 yards is nice, to meters is better, so I could be persuaded to a full 15. WITH numbers.