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My employer mandated the vaccine. Anyone else?
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Please tell me as I sit here looking at all my guns, sbr, suppressors, 50k + rounds of loaded ammo, and nice stocked supply of reloading equipment, no debt, retiring from the military soon and voted Republican in everything state and federal my entire life except once in Alaska. Please tell me how I'm a libtard......
You're a Libtard.... You said please........
I don't play baseball, and I'm tired of the name calling by my team.
I changed my mine based on some of your statements. I do not think I would like to make mutual acquaintance. Advocating shipping people off that are to blame for today's issues gives me some bad flashbacks to history.
Some of you others. Best stay clear.
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He'll have to triple mask and get another booster shot
You've been around for 9 years with less than 900 posts and now you're going to go there......
I think you're a cuck, if I bring ice cream can I come over ?
I'll let you watch.
I got some medical advise of da webber today too......
Careful.
Doc may cry to the sky again and get this thread shut too.
Doc may cry to the sky again and get this thread shut too.
Simply voting Republican is not proof that you don't suffer from libtardism. Especially if you've been voting for swamp creatures.
ETA, I bet you think Milley is a good officer.
The man got a shot. And the local yahoos smeared him. Nothing to do with politics.
By all means, continue to show your true colors. "Think like us, act like us, or be punished"
If that's what it means to be conservative, then count me out.
My state gov mandated the vaccine for me.
based on my job and license.
Here is the big thing IMO. My decisions about the jab should be mine. Not mandated by tyrants yelling “science!!”
I believe for many, the risk of an experimental med that has questionable efficacy, is higher than the benefits.
Yes, I understand research. Medical research in fact.
and they have lied enough about all of this IMO to call into question anything they say about it.
Like this. Do you believe anything out of Hillary’s mouth? Or Pelosi?
Now, lets see how hard they witch hunt the religious exemption forms…… I believe the state will demand to see those exemption papers, under emergency order of course, and then target people based on that. Watch it happen.
based on my job and license.
Here is the big thing IMO. My decisions about the jab should be mine. Not mandated by tyrants yelling “science!!”
I believe for many, the risk of an experimental med that has questionable efficacy, is higher than the benefits.
Yes, I understand research. Medical research in fact.
and they have lied enough about all of this IMO to call into question anything they say about it.
Like this. Do you believe anything out of Hillary’s mouth? Or Pelosi?
Now, lets see how hard they witch hunt the religious exemption forms…… I believe the state will demand to see those exemption papers, under emergency order of course, and then target people based on that. Watch it happen.
They have lied about everything and continue to lie yet we are expected to do whatever they say.
Put someone else's name on all of your posts and read through them then you will know why everyone is looking at you funny. Sorry.
he also let rosenstein run the DOJ and let wray run the FBI.
unfortunately, trump had no idea how bad it was, and if he did, he would have been killed and not just framed for collusion.
trump admitted in his recent interview on hannity that he didn't know that pfizer controlled the fda until after he approved the program.
* “Today no war has been declared — and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack”
* “We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence — on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day”
* “It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations”
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So much for your first statement.
Kinda like concentrating them all in a single area or camp.
Despite 95% vaccination rate, Cornell today has five times more COVID cases than it did this time last year | The College Fix
ANALYSIS: If the goal is to prevent infection, the 95 percent vaccination rate on Cornell’s campus has not accomplished that.
www.thecollegefix.com
Well that garbage rag is well known for making up lies from scratch. Remember the one about Marines rolling around in Iraq throwing out candy to kids and when kids ran to pick it up the Marines would shoot them? Yeah, lots of made up bullshit from them.
Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts On Ivermectin Suppression: 'They Have Blood On Their Hands'
Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts Says Big Pharma, Big Tech, and Big Gov 'Have Blood On Their Hands' For Suppressing Ivermectin
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Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - PMC
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
14-fold reductions in excess deaths with IVM use in Peru, then 13-fold increase after IVM restricted
The clinical experience of IVM treatments of COVID-19 in 25 countries extends far beyond the RCT results summarized, yet incomplete tracking and lack of control data exclude most of this for evaluation. The record of nationally authorized such treatments in Peru provides a notable exception [42]. In ten states of Peru, mass IVM treatments of COVID-19 were conducted through a broadside, army-led effort, Mega-Operación Tayta (MOT), that began on different dates in each state. In these MOT states, excess deaths dropped sharply over 30 days from peak deaths by a mean of 74%, in close time conjunction with MOT start date (Fig. 1B). In 14 states of Peru having locally administered IVM distributions, the mean reduction in excess deaths over 30 days from peak deaths was 53%, while in Lima, which had minimal IVM distributions during the first wave of the pandemic due to restrictive government policies there, the corresponding 30-day decrease in excess deaths was 25%.
This is exactly whats up.Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts On Ivermectin Suppression: 'They Have Blood On Their Hands'
Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts Says Big Pharma, Big Tech, and Big Gov 'Have Blood On Their Hands' For Suppressing Ivermectin
Truth is a covid "Z-pack" would treat symptoms and keep most of the population out of E-rooms.
Any one that doesn't stand to make money or want controll of you will know this is true.
All the rest are lying M-Fers.
why would the pharmacy sell you some pills for a few bucks when they can get $50 every time they give you a new clotshot?
Okay I'm not good with medical terms and spelling of drugs.
Will someone write the course of treatment and proper names of the covid Z-pack for me.
I will petition Governor Abbott since it appears he has not yet been bought off by big pharma.
It plays to his voter base so maybe he will be interested if enough pressure is applied.
Will someone write the course of treatment and proper names of the covid Z-pack for me.
I will petition Governor Abbott since it appears he has not yet been bought off by big pharma.
It plays to his voter base so maybe he will be interested if enough pressure is applied.
Wasn't asking for a left wing agenda false interpretation.
Don't know who's payroll your on but they should ask for thier money back.
Don't know who's payroll your on but they should ask for thier money back.
So posting published studies that don't agree with your take on things is left wing agenda? Got it. Sounds to me like your a Commie
Anyone can poke around till they find bullshit that suits thier liberal agenda.
My dil is a RN and besides herself 80% of the staff refuse to get the shots so the rather large facility can't do shit about it as they are allready understaffed.
Her opinion since she is not a paid schill, with an actual degree in the medical field is enough for me.
She said all about the money and controll of the sheep.
You can tell us of your fleece bearing buddies heard mentality all you want but all we hear is- baaabaaanbaaa as you are indoctrinated and enslaved.
My dil is a RN and besides herself 80% of the staff refuse to get the shots so the rather large facility can't do shit about it as they are allready understaffed.
Her opinion since she is not a paid schill, with an actual degree in the medical field is enough for me.
She said all about the money and controll of the sheep.
You can tell us of your fleece bearing buddies heard mentality all you want but all we hear is- baaabaaanbaaa as you are indoctrinated and enslaved.
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Well wife was forced to get it. They recieved statements to sign with wording to include either medical or religious exemptions may not be considered an out. Absolutely fucking insane what this has come down to.
I will and have not shamed anyone forced to get this experiment but damn it should be up to the person.
I will and have not shamed anyone forced to get this experiment but damn it should be up to the person.
Then explain this one.
In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.
I pulled this from here.
Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 - PMC
After COVID-19 emerged on U.S shores, providers began reviewing the emerging basic science, translational, and clinical data to identify potentially effective treatment options. In addition, a multitude of both novel and repurposed therapeutic ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting thoughThen explain this one.
In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.
I pulled this from here.
Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 - PMC
After COVID-19 emerged on U.S shores, providers began reviewing the emerging basic science, translational, and clinical data to identify potentially effective treatment options. In addition, a multitude of both novel and repurposed therapeutic ...
"In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."
How do we know it's the "D" variant. There is no way to determine if its Covid, Covid-D or any other variant.
The study you posted was in already hospitalized patients.
every Ivm/hcq study I have seen has said it is the most successful the sooner you take it at the onset of symptoms, not after the viral infection has made its way into the lungs and your body has started attacking its organs. Key is to stop viral replication before it overwhelms the body, not wait until it’s shutting down.
it is unbelievable that the medical community claims the only way to treat Covid is wait until you are so sick you can’t function without hospital equipment or take a vaccine with 40% efficacy.
early treat has always been best no matter what disease it is and it’s unbelievable we have done nothing of the sort.
the reason we haven’t is because their would never have been an EUA for a vaccine if their was effective pre treatments.
The joy of more lab generated variants, Delta, lambda, Mu, etc, is the need for “update jabs” or the ventured “daily anti-rona pill” idea.
My research and statistics professor was a double PhD and cool as can be.
He told me that the data looks however the people paying for it want it to look.
Besides teaching, he was a “data tweaker” for Gallup, so he knew first hand. Had worked FT in the private sector and HATED it prior to teaching because of that.
He did make the point that there are some researchers working who really want true data and still do good work. His point was, that if big $ was involved, the numbers arent what they seem to be.
Do you think oil companies are honest about their research?
Or the “green” side of the energy sector?
Free your minds.
Also, the AMA is a strong arm political organization and nothing more….
My research and statistics professor was a double PhD and cool as can be.
He told me that the data looks however the people paying for it want it to look.
Besides teaching, he was a “data tweaker” for Gallup, so he knew first hand. Had worked FT in the private sector and HATED it prior to teaching because of that.
He did make the point that there are some researchers working who really want true data and still do good work. His point was, that if big $ was involved, the numbers arent what they seem to be.
Do you think oil companies are honest about their research?
Or the “green” side of the energy sector?
Free your minds.
Also, the AMA is a strong arm political organization and nothing more….
Having a conversation with a pro vax person regarding mandated vax.....my replies in red
I can see that you have already, in a sense, politically and publicly committed yourself to a particular position relating to COVID vaccination. That might make it hard, at least were you to publicly change your position, just as it would be hard for me publicly to change mine.
Reviewing your points 1-10:
- Regarding liability, I can understand your concern. However, it seems that with the PREP Act, Congress has taken the position that manufacturers shall not be liable. Given that that is so, calling under point 4 for "liability for any members of **** suffering reaction or injury" would appear to be a ship that has sailed. I don't see any negotiation to which **** is a party, overturning a statutory exemption from liability. Than "mandating party" should assume it or at least members should be made aware they are on their own if they have a reaction. Chances of a reaction less than 1%. Chance of dying from covid less than 1%. Chance of me giving covid.....these vaccines work right? The vaccinated by choice have nothing to worry about?
- Regarding your point about only taking a particular vaccine by name, it would appear also from your link at https://www.quarles.com/publication...ne-administrators-want-to-know-forgot-to-ask/ that "The approved vaccine [i.e. Comirnaty] is identical to the vaccine that has been authorized under the EUA. They can be used interchangeably." So, it seems that fighting on that point might not be worth the candle either. No one knows if they are the same and yet why the shielding from liability than? Some thing smells rotten ****.
- For your point 6, on exemptions, I can't see what you're talking about regarding Constitutional or ADA objections. All you say, in another email, is that "Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution stress "the Individual" over "the community." Well, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't, depending on the provision (the "general welfare" clause has been read pretty expansively, for example.) But there is nothing explicit in the text of either the Constitution or the ADA that supports your position. On the other hand, there is Supreme Court precedent on point on the other side, and in our system, the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means; and the legal precedents don't care about the mortality rate. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the Supreme Court ruled that the City of Cambridge could institute a vaccine mandate, with a penalty worth about $140 today, provided that there was an exception in cases where "it be apparent or can be shown with reasonable certainty that he is not at the time a fit subject of vaccination, or that vaccination, by reason of his then condition, would seriously impair his health, or probably cause his death." Following this, your members would plausibly have to allege a medical exemption similar to this rule. It sounds as if your kids have genuine medical worries - I certainly don't have the expertise you have in their conditions - but (a) I don't know that those worries would meet this standard making it unconstitutional to mandate them to have it, and (b) their medical concerns make it, to my mind, all the more important for you to get it, to act as a firewall to keep them safe. ADA only protects in this case against discrimination. Discriminating for not being vaccinated in this case. Kind of obtuse but so is the ADA protection of people with other transmissable diseases. In some states there is no longer a legal requirement to declare your transmissable disease in order to protect others. There are all kinds of exemptions these days and with significant portions of the population already vaccinated there is no rush to mandate a vaccine that has not been thoroughly tested.
I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists have previously managed to obtain legal exemptions from vaccination on religious grounds, because they have demonstrated a consistent and general belief that vaccination contravenes their religious beliefs; I would be extremely surprised if any court were to uphold an exemption claimed by someone arguing that their God supports all vaccinations except vaccinations against COVID.
My friend Pat Eddington over at CATO helped to uncover some of the experimental vaccinations undergone by military personnel during the Gulf war, so I take that seriously. But it may not be a great analogy for your purposes. The courts treat the personal liberties of military servicemembers differently from those of the general public, and are very inclined to be deferential to what DOD wants. The Gulf War soldiers got injected with whatever, and had to suck it up, including the adverse health consequences. I don't think any of them got compensation for any experimental vaccine-related health problems. Do you know different? There is no way DOD would take liability for that. Funny thing is if we change all the "mandate" names to "DOD" in this case I am betting you too would be against vaccine mandates. Somehow when it says "CDC" or "Gov ******" mandates there is a pass given. They are all the same as far as I see it.
When you say that the argument on my side is "My vaccine is not working because YOU have not been vaccinated", that's not quite right. I took the Pfizer vaccine. It's, let's say, 90% effective (the particular rate isn't important for this argument.) So for any ten interactions where I would otherwise have been infected, the Pfizer vaccine that I had blocks nine. That's good! I appreciate it, and it enables me to do more things safely that I could not do otherwise! It can be working as advertised, and still occasionally produce infections. Than Israel should not be blowing up with cases.......cases of vaccinated people. Why is our govt allowing almost 1 million people to be transported around the country with no vaccine? These are people in custody of sorts. No quarantine, no social distancing no mandates.
However, that's a separate question from "how many infection events will I be exposed to?". That number will be affected by (a) my own practices, in terms of whether I go into crowded indoor spaces with plausibly infected people; (b) the practices of the other people I go into those spaces with, which include whether they're masked and whether they're vaccinated, and whether they're singing, among other things. Generally speaking, if there's not much COVID around (R-stat <1), I'll be exposed to fewer infectious interactions. So yes, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to get it, and therefore my interaction with you is less likely to be an infectious one. But the chance of you actually infecting me, can be reduced by a bunch of things - like whether we're indoors or outdoors, whether you're masked, and so on, as well as whether you're vaccinated. So perhaps it's more reasonable a perspective than you're making it sound. People need to individually manage their risk as always. People should diet and exercise....it is the biggest provider of good health. If you want govt mandating your risk exposure stand by for a pretty dreary life. Its coming. The fears people have now will be minimal to the fears they will have a of a govt that mandates their safety and security.
I can see that you have already, in a sense, politically and publicly committed yourself to a particular position relating to COVID vaccination. That might make it hard, at least were you to publicly change your position, just as it would be hard for me publicly to change mine.
Reviewing your points 1-10:
- Regarding liability, I can understand your concern. However, it seems that with the PREP Act, Congress has taken the position that manufacturers shall not be liable. Given that that is so, calling under point 4 for "liability for any members of **** suffering reaction or injury" would appear to be a ship that has sailed. I don't see any negotiation to which **** is a party, overturning a statutory exemption from liability. Than "mandating party" should assume it or at least members should be made aware they are on their own if they have a reaction. Chances of a reaction less than 1%. Chance of dying from covid less than 1%. Chance of me giving covid.....these vaccines work right? The vaccinated by choice have nothing to worry about?
- Regarding your point about only taking a particular vaccine by name, it would appear also from your link at https://www.quarles.com/publication...ne-administrators-want-to-know-forgot-to-ask/ that "The approved vaccine [i.e. Comirnaty] is identical to the vaccine that has been authorized under the EUA. They can be used interchangeably." So, it seems that fighting on that point might not be worth the candle either. No one knows if they are the same and yet why the shielding from liability than? Some thing smells rotten ****.
- For your point 6, on exemptions, I can't see what you're talking about regarding Constitutional or ADA objections. All you say, in another email, is that "Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution stress "the Individual" over "the community." Well, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't, depending on the provision (the "general welfare" clause has been read pretty expansively, for example.) But there is nothing explicit in the text of either the Constitution or the ADA that supports your position. On the other hand, there is Supreme Court precedent on point on the other side, and in our system, the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means; and the legal precedents don't care about the mortality rate. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the Supreme Court ruled that the City of Cambridge could institute a vaccine mandate, with a penalty worth about $140 today, provided that there was an exception in cases where "it be apparent or can be shown with reasonable certainty that he is not at the time a fit subject of vaccination, or that vaccination, by reason of his then condition, would seriously impair his health, or probably cause his death." Following this, your members would plausibly have to allege a medical exemption similar to this rule. It sounds as if your kids have genuine medical worries - I certainly don't have the expertise you have in their conditions - but (a) I don't know that those worries would meet this standard making it unconstitutional to mandate them to have it, and (b) their medical concerns make it, to my mind, all the more important for you to get it, to act as a firewall to keep them safe. ADA only protects in this case against discrimination. Discriminating for not being vaccinated in this case. Kind of obtuse but so is the ADA protection of people with other transmissable diseases. In some states there is no longer a legal requirement to declare your transmissable disease in order to protect others. There are all kinds of exemptions these days and with significant portions of the population already vaccinated there is no rush to mandate a vaccine that has not been thoroughly tested.
I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists have previously managed to obtain legal exemptions from vaccination on religious grounds, because they have demonstrated a consistent and general belief that vaccination contravenes their religious beliefs; I would be extremely surprised if any court were to uphold an exemption claimed by someone arguing that their God supports all vaccinations except vaccinations against COVID.
My friend Pat Eddington over at CATO helped to uncover some of the experimental vaccinations undergone by military personnel during the Gulf war, so I take that seriously. But it may not be a great analogy for your purposes. The courts treat the personal liberties of military servicemembers differently from those of the general public, and are very inclined to be deferential to what DOD wants. The Gulf War soldiers got injected with whatever, and had to suck it up, including the adverse health consequences. I don't think any of them got compensation for any experimental vaccine-related health problems. Do you know different? There is no way DOD would take liability for that. Funny thing is if we change all the "mandate" names to "DOD" in this case I am betting you too would be against vaccine mandates. Somehow when it says "CDC" or "Gov ******" mandates there is a pass given. They are all the same as far as I see it.
When you say that the argument on my side is "My vaccine is not working because YOU have not been vaccinated", that's not quite right. I took the Pfizer vaccine. It's, let's say, 90% effective (the particular rate isn't important for this argument.) So for any ten interactions where I would otherwise have been infected, the Pfizer vaccine that I had blocks nine. That's good! I appreciate it, and it enables me to do more things safely that I could not do otherwise! It can be working as advertised, and still occasionally produce infections. Than Israel should not be blowing up with cases.......cases of vaccinated people. Why is our govt allowing almost 1 million people to be transported around the country with no vaccine? These are people in custody of sorts. No quarantine, no social distancing no mandates.
However, that's a separate question from "how many infection events will I be exposed to?". That number will be affected by (a) my own practices, in terms of whether I go into crowded indoor spaces with plausibly infected people; (b) the practices of the other people I go into those spaces with, which include whether they're masked and whether they're vaccinated, and whether they're singing, among other things. Generally speaking, if there's not much COVID around (R-stat <1), I'll be exposed to fewer infectious interactions. So yes, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to get it, and therefore my interaction with you is less likely to be an infectious one. But the chance of you actually infecting me, can be reduced by a bunch of things - like whether we're indoors or outdoors, whether you're masked, and so on, as well as whether you're vaccinated. So perhaps it's more reasonable a perspective than you're making it sound. People need to individually manage their risk as always. People should diet and exercise....it is the biggest provider of good health. If you want govt mandating your risk exposure stand by for a pretty dreary life. Its coming. The fears people have now will be minimal to the fears they will have a of a govt that mandates their safety and security.
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