My employer mandated the vaccine. Anyone else?

[powdahound76]

The joy of more lab generated variants, Delta, lambda, Mu, etc, is the need for “update jabs” or the ventured “daily anti-rona pill” idea.


My research and statistics professor was a double PhD and cool as can be.
He told me that the data looks however the people paying for it want it to look.
Besides teaching, he was a “data tweaker” for Gallup, so he knew first hand. Had worked FT in the private sector and HATED it prior to teaching because of that.

He did make the point that there are some researchers working who really want true data and still do good work. His point was, that if big $ was involved, the numbers arent what they seem to be.
Do you think oil companies are honest about their research?
Or the “green” side of the energy sector?

Free your minds.

Also, the AMA is a strong arm political organization and nothing more….

 

[pmclaine]

Having a conversation with a pro vax person regarding mandated vax.....my replies in red

I can see that you have already, in a sense, politically and publicly committed yourself to a particular position relating to COVID vaccination. That might make it hard, at least were you to publicly change your position, just as it would be hard for me publicly to change mine.

Reviewing your points 1-10:

- Regarding liability, I can understand your concern. However, it seems that with the PREP Act, Congress has taken the position that manufacturers shall not be liable. Given that that is so, calling under point 4 for "liability for any members of **** suffering reaction or injury" would appear to be a ship that has sailed. I don't see any negotiation to which **** is a party, overturning a statutory exemption from liability. Than "mandating party" should assume it or at least members should be made aware they are on their own if they have a reaction. Chances of a reaction less than 1%. Chance of dying from covid less than 1%. Chance of me giving covid.....these vaccines work right? The vaccinated by choice have nothing to worry about?

- Regarding your point about only taking a particular vaccine by name, it would appear also from your link at https://www.quarles.com/publication...ne-administrators-want-to-know-forgot-to-ask/ that "The approved vaccine [i.e. Comirnaty] is identical to the vaccine that has been authorized under the EUA. They can be used interchangeably." So, it seems that fighting on that point might not be worth the candle either. No one knows if they are the same and yet why the shielding from liability than? Some thing smells rotten ****.

- For your point 6, on exemptions, I can't see what you're talking about regarding Constitutional or ADA objections. All you say, in another email, is that "Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution stress "the Individual" over "the community." Well, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't, depending on the provision (the "general welfare" clause has been read pretty expansively, for example.) But there is nothing explicit in the text of either the Constitution or the ADA that supports your position. On the other hand, there is Supreme Court precedent on point on the other side, and in our system, the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means; and the legal precedents don't care about the mortality rate. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the Supreme Court ruled that the City of Cambridge could institute a vaccine mandate, with a penalty worth about $140 today, provided that there was an exception in cases where "it be apparent or can be shown with reasonable certainty that he is not at the time a fit subject of vaccination, or that vaccination, by reason of his then condition, would seriously impair his health, or probably cause his death." Following this, your members would plausibly have to allege a medical exemption similar to this rule. It sounds as if your kids have genuine medical worries - I certainly don't have the expertise you have in their conditions - but (a) I don't know that those worries would meet this standard making it unconstitutional to mandate them to have it, and (b) their medical concerns make it, to my mind, all the more important for you to get it, to act as a firewall to keep them safe. ADA only protects in this case against discrimination. Discriminating for not being vaccinated in this case. Kind of obtuse but so is the ADA protection of people with other transmissable diseases. In some states there is no longer a legal requirement to declare your transmissable disease in order to protect others. There are all kinds of exemptions these days and with significant portions of the population already vaccinated there is no rush to mandate a vaccine that has not been thoroughly tested.

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists have previously managed to obtain legal exemptions from vaccination on religious grounds, because they have demonstrated a consistent and general belief that vaccination contravenes their religious beliefs; I would be extremely surprised if any court were to uphold an exemption claimed by someone arguing that their God supports all vaccinations except vaccinations against COVID.

My friend Pat Eddington over at CATO helped to uncover some of the experimental vaccinations undergone by military personnel during the Gulf war, so I take that seriously. But it may not be a great analogy for your purposes. The courts treat the personal liberties of military servicemembers differently from those of the general public, and are very inclined to be deferential to what DOD wants. The Gulf War soldiers got injected with whatever, and had to suck it up, including the adverse health consequences. I don't think any of them got compensation for any experimental vaccine-related health problems. Do you know different? There is no way DOD would take liability for that. Funny thing is if we change all the "mandate" names to "DOD" in this case I am betting you too would be against vaccine mandates. Somehow when it says "CDC" or "Gov ******" mandates there is a pass given. They are all the same as far as I see it.

When you say that the argument on my side is "My vaccine is not working because YOU have not been vaccinated", that's not quite right. I took the Pfizer vaccine. It's, let's say, 90% effective (the particular rate isn't important for this argument.) So for any ten interactions where I would otherwise have been infected, the Pfizer vaccine that I had blocks nine. That's good! I appreciate it, and it enables me to do more things safely that I could not do otherwise! It can be working as advertised, and still occasionally produce infections. Than Israel should not be blowing up with cases.......cases of vaccinated people. Why is our govt allowing almost 1 million people to be transported around the country with no vaccine? These are people in custody of sorts. No quarantine, no social distancing no mandates.

However, that's a separate question from "how many infection events will I be exposed to?". That number will be affected by (a) my own practices, in terms of whether I go into crowded indoor spaces with plausibly infected people; (b) the practices of the other people I go into those spaces with, which include whether they're masked and whether they're vaccinated, and whether they're singing, among other things. Generally speaking, if there's not much COVID around (R-stat <1), I'll be exposed to fewer infectious interactions. So yes, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to get it, and therefore my interaction with you is less likely to be an infectious one. But the chance of you actually infecting me, can be reduced by a bunch of things - like whether we're indoors or outdoors, whether you're masked, and so on, as well as whether you're vaccinated. So perhaps it's more reasonable a perspective than you're making it sound. People need to individually manage their risk as always. People should diet and exercise....it is the biggest provider of good health. If you want govt mandating your risk exposure stand by for a pretty dreary life. Its coming. The fears people have now will be minimal to the fears they will have a of a govt that mandates their safety and security.

 

[Snuby642]

@TxWelder35
That is exactly the part our government and big pharma are lying thier ass off about.

And some shitheads still don't get it or thier paid schills.

Bunch of sheep without much cognitive skills.

 

[theLBC]

looks like pfizer is going to sell ivermectin, or their version of it, as a "new drug".

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting though

"In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."

Yes, Ivermectin has been extremely effective against ALL Corona virus', but the Delta variant is its Achilles heel.

Fuck off.

 

[DocRDS]

Question--for all the buzz about the broken process--how many of you spoke to your govt rep about this.

Or--how many of you familiarized yourself with the FDA 'approval' process so that you could address part (1) to address your concerns of monetary influence.

Ivermectin is in FDA trials, so you all can join me as liberal shills now.

 

[nso123]

How do we know it's the "D" variant. There is no way to determine if its Covid, Covid-D or any other variant.

I have wondered this too. I would guess that it may come from more specific blood testing in hospital patients and maybe studies. I’m not sure why they keep freaking out about variants. Viruses have always mutated, and from talking to a couple of physician friends, generally get weaker as they go because they don’t want to kill their hosts.

 

[DocRDS]

I have wondered this too. I would guess that it may come from more specific blood testing in hospital patients and maybe studies. I’m not sure why they keep freaking out about variants. Viruses have always mutated, and from talking to a couple of physician friends, generally get weaker as they go because they don’t want to kill their hosts.

I'm pretty sure they can sequence it and/or test for it.

As to freaking out for variants:
+It could become more contagious (that is the hype around delta).
+It could become more deadly (has not happened)
+It could affect the younger more (right now kids give the middle finger to Covid)
+It could become drug/vaccine resistant (arguments about immunity from vaccine being less for strain delta--of course I'm the only one that actually thinks the vaccine is effective, so not gonna be a problem on this site, or the Covid Z pack/antivirals)
+Fear -- people want answers. And there aren't any

The more Covid is around, the more I am convinced its going to be like a bad flu--perpetually with us (I mean a cold is a Coronavirus). But everyone is FREAKED out. And therein is the issue.

 

[cat-mechanic]

Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting though

"In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."

If my choice is IVM, or a new vaccine. Then I'll take the IVM. More research has been done with it, then any of the vaccines. Hell, they don't even list the side effects for the vaccines. Friend of mine, never had covid, had no antibodies, got the vaccine and now has blood clots, but the Drs. blame the clots on covid, not the vaccine. Now he's on blood thinners and filters in his body to catch the clots. But clots is not on the side effect list, because it's blamed on the covid.

My point was basically we have been lied to from the beginning of this mess. The press ridicules anybody saying they took IVM. This is where that whole fake news thing comes in.

But I also don't believe the #s they gave us last year. Nobody died from the normal flu, everybody died from covid.
Then they came out this year and said, We can't use those tests anymore, they don't differentiate between covid, flu or common cold. but every death was a covid death.

But then again, we had President Trump claiming HCQ was going to help against covid. Studies show it did help. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/

But how many Governors signed orders banning HCQ and again the press blasted anybody saying anything positive about it.

Governors Who Banned Hydroxychloroquine are in Big Trouble

So I'm a little skeptical about these "vaccines".

 

[Jscb1b]

MONEY.

 

[AllenOne1]

Here is one person that fought the vaccine mandate and won.

 

[Snuby642]

Media manipulation by the commie hoard and lies from the doctors.

Side note my doctor called in sick today so no appointment. I bet he is guzzling the z-pack right now.

Joe Rogan Rips Jim Acosta and CNN for Comments on Ivermectin

Joe Rogan went after Jim Acosta and CNN for claiming that Ivermectin, a controversial anti-parasite drug the podcaster used to treat Covid-19, is a "horse dewormer."

www.mediaite.com

 

[Rthur]

Question--for all the buzz about the broken process--how many of you spoke to your govt rep about this.

Comedy.
How's that harshly worded email been working for you to your reps?

R

 

[Longshot231]

Posted elsewhere but should be repeated here...

 

[pmclaine]

Back to work from a few days off.......had to let the union know "Im not dead yet"

Hearing word **** really isn't interested in fighting this because "only" 25% of the job is unvaccinated, perhaps 500 members.....

Hmmmmm, I remember millions being spent recently when only three or four members were concerned with a legal outcome.

Getting gun shot, having a cruiser crash, getting a beating were given hazards of the job. Never was it understood that at any time members accepting a position would be subject to mandated vaccines with limited time on the market and shielding from liability. Hepatitis is a bigger threat to me than covid and it has a traditional FDA approval and liability function...I took that shot but I don't recall it being mandated.

Even if members decide to get the shot I understand there is no paperwork to sign in order to express they are not doing so of their own free will but through coercion of suffering financial hardship through loss of their career. CVS or Walgreens will be an additional shield from liability for the party making the mandate. Go sue CVS for taking a EUA vaccine that you knew there was no recourse should you be harmed. We are unprotected.

Oh well, can't make waves. We are in contract talks, we might get a personal day in exchange for our 4th Amendment right to be secure in our person. Meanwhile the person that is the voice of information nationally about this health crisis is being exposed as having lied under oath and has flipped flop back and forth about policy......this whole mess is rotten.

We cave what hope do the people that pay our salaries have when we are ordered to violate their rights after we have surrendered our own?

I'm not against vaccination.....just make that decision of your own free will or in the face of a pressing health threat with adequate testing for safety and efficacy of the vaccine. Keep this latest stat in mind........average age of covid death in MA - 81 years old and 51% had significant co-morbidities. Doesn't sound like my coworkers and really doesn't reflect daily contacts with the people while performing my duties. I don't want to see 81 year old people dying either, they can be protected without mandating a vaccine that comes with risks similar to the disease and apparently does not work effectively.

I know for a fact you guys make better observations in the field and are well able to smell BS when it's presented to you.......why so blind now?

 

[pmclaine]

Buddy in CO is a cop and anti covid vaccine. Just got covid for the second time and is now on oxygen. He was supposed to go on a float trip for moose next week in AK. Cousin in ND was admitted last week with covid. Just talked to him and said it's horrible. Was thinking about getting the vaccine. Coworker and entire family is out with covid going on second week. Said he's never been this sick in his life. None had got the vaccine.... I'm thinking we're all going to get it at this point. Doesn't look like it'll be fun

Yes we all will get it and perhaps we should string Fauci by his balls for creating it.

 

[pmclaine]

Posted elsewhere but should be repeated here...

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The Communists have decreed that Holocaust references are forbidden even if appropriate.

You need to first make the announcement "Spolier Alert!" when doing so.

 

[pmclaine]

Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.

Really?

The holocaust did not start with death camps.

The Nazis exploited an existing animosity, engaged people in small crimes and discriminations to incriminate them, than moved on to exclusion from society and the economy before moving to train rides to Sobibor.

You are blind to history by your bias that "it cant happen here".

 

[Tokay444]

Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.

Just wait longer.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Choid= Fed77

 

[Longshot231]

Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.

How dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to not understand the comparison?

 

[Long_Action]

For those of you who you/your spouse were forced to take the vaccine, please post pictures. I'd like to see a picture of someone in the US, held down and forcefully injected. I walked away from my previous Libtard employer 10 weeks ago. New company is a breath of fresh air. If you are competent at your job, and have a desired skill set, nobody can force you to do shit..... while at it, ask for an extra week of vacation, and pay increase. You are welcome, as my advice was free!

 

[Longshot231]

Biggest bunch of whiny bitches I've ever seen on the internet.

You don't have to read everything on the screen. That's why they put the "X" in the top right hand corner of the browser.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Biggest bunch of whiny bitches I've ever seen on the internet.

Someone has found their new role.

 

[pmclaine]

Tomorrow I believe will be the moment of "what came before and what comes after"

It will be pretty clear tomorrow what history resembles our future.

Psakis contempt in her voice today said everything.

 

[AllenOne1]

Tomorrow I believe will be the moment of "what came before and what comes after"

It will be pretty clear tomorrow what history resembles our future.

Psakis contempt in her voice today said everything.

Is this referring to Biden's new covid plan? Like the current one is going so well. I have been wondering what his new plan will look like, Australia comes to mind.

 

[Bonjourjr]

just received this today. I was in a command and staff meeting briefing my BDE commander on for my job here at fort hood and here is some cliff notes taken from the meeting.

COVID VACCINE IS NOW MANDATORY BY 1 OCTOBER
- Guidance is still being published at this time.
- Service Members may only submit an exemption for either a MEDICAL reason or a RELIGIOUS reason.
- BOTH require an EXEMPTION PACKET to be complete.
- First initial to-do is to let your first line leader know you are planning to submit an ETP exemption packet for review ASAP.
- Packet starts with a pre-templated MEMO that HHC has. (trying to get my hands on the memo templates)
- Other steps to this packet include, but are not limited to : Physician interviews / counseling, Chaplain interview / counseling.
- ALL Vaccine exemptions go to the Surgeon General for approval or disapproval. (cannot stop it at unit level)

These notes are me spelling it out to my section. I copied and pasted these from my email to my troops so they might read funny to others on this forum

 

[Doc68]

Biggest bunch of whiny bitches I've ever seen on the internet.

Then leave.

Doc

 

[pmclaine]

Is this referring to Biden's new covid plan? Like the current one is going so well. I have been wondering what his new plan will look like, Australia comes to mind.

Jen Psaki today when asked if this plan would bring any restrictions or have any implications for people dripping with contempt she said something akin to "That depends on if you are vaccinated or not".

You have to find the recording she is fucking evil incarnate.

United or one of the airlines announced tonight that anyone with a religious or med exemption to the vaccine will be put on leave and fired after a period of time if not vaccinated.

She is going to get real.

I mentioned to my Primary Care Physician last week that next for me will be denial of med care. She was incredulous "We havent discussed that, thats not going to happen"

I just told her I hope not but remember your Hippocratic oath to "Do no Harm".....we will see.

 

[LawnMM]

United or one of the airlines announced tonight that anyone with a religious or med exemption to the vaccine will be put on leave and fired after a period of time if not vaccinated.

Pretty sure that's illegal not that legalities are holding anyone back right now

 

[theLBC]

ivermectin 3 MG Oral Tablet. 15 mgs po twice weekly. prophylaxis

 

[pmclaine]

Pretty sure that's illegal not that legalities are holding anyone back right now

Yeah I was kind of surprised by the announcement but basically are saying "You can have your exemption but you cant work here"

United Airlines Staff Who Get Religious Exemption From Covid Vaccine Mandate Will Need To Take Unpaid Leave

In early August, United Airlines became the first major U.S. carrier to mandate vaccines for its employees.

www.forbes.com

I think they missed the meaning and purpose of exemption.

This alliance of business with govt to be their cudgel is fascism at its finest.

 

[Schroedernd]

For those of you who you/your spouse were forced to take the vaccine, please post pictures. I'd like to see a picture of someone in the US, held down and forcefully injected. I walked away from my previous Libtard employer 10 weeks ago. New company is a breath of fresh air. If you are competent at your job, and have a desired skill set, nobody can force you to do shit..... while at it, ask for an extra week of vacation, and pay increase. You are welcome, as my advice was free!

Guard said it was mandatory so I got it. My civilian job pays $69 an hr and is getting close to mandating it. Wasn't about to lose my military retirement and very good paying job with a nice retirement over getting a dumb shot when I've had 150 other shots in the military already.......Wife is a nurse and makes $45 an hr and they will be mandating it soon. She got it as well strictly based on the crazy number of covid patients our local hospital has. Neither had a single reaction of any sort to the pfizer shots.....

 

[theLBC]

‘Very limited’ number of saline-only COVID vaccines accidentally given, SC health dept. says

The South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control reported a “very limited” number of COVID-19 vaccines that reportedly contained only saline.

www.wistv.com

 

[Gee Kay]

this aussie makes some good points, the US must have work health and safety laws similar to here?

 

[Gee Kay]

 

[Gee Kay]

Police, Firefighters in LA Form Group to Resist Vaccine Mandates - Global Research

All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the “Translate Website” drop down menu on the top banner of our home page (Desktop version). Visit and follow us on Instagram at @crg_globalresearch. *** Police and firefighters in Los Angeles have formed a resistance group...

www.globalresearch.ca

 

[powdahound76]

For those of you who you/your spouse were forced to take the vaccine, please post pictures. I'd like to see a picture of someone in the US, held down and forcefully injected. I walked away from my previous Libtard employer 10 weeks ago. New company is a breath of fresh air. If you are competent at your job, and have a desired skill set, nobody can force you to do shit..... while at it, ask for an extra week of vacation, and pay increase. You are welcome, as my advice was free!

Except when your governor mandates it based on your work and license through the state.

So yeah, its not that easy to just up and move out of state with shared custody and a life built somewhere new.
22 yrs in this, not really interested in changing careers.

 

[346ci]

For those of you who that you/your spouse were forced to take the vaccine, please post pictures. I'd like to see a picture of someone in the US, held down and forcefully injected. I walked away from my previous Libtard employer 10 weeks ago. New company is a breath of fresh air. If you are competent at your job, and have a desired skill set, nobody can force you to do shit..... while at it, ask for an extra week of vacation, and pay increase. You are welcome, as my advice was free!

You might be safe now, insurance is next. How many more times can you afford to run?

 

[Longshot231]

I listen to this lady's podcasts a lot. She's on the air now if people want to listen in. She's interviewing Dr. Ben Marble. He's no fan of Dr. Death Fauci.

AFR.net - Home

American Family Radio is a listener supported broadcast ministry of the American Family Association. AFR exists to be a voice for AFA to help motivate and equip individuals to restore American culture to its moral foundations. AFR does this in a variety of ways with both its music/teaching...

afr.net

This morning's podcast doesn't appear to be archived yet but you should be able to get it here:

AFR.net - Sandy Rios 24/7

Sandy Rios is a seasoned radio host and former longtime Fox News contributor who has traveled the world and served in various leadership roles in Washington, D.C. Her new podcast, Sandy Rios 24/7, promises to bring unfiltered, insightful commentary from a Christian worldview. Here is what...

afr.net

I'll try to edit this later with a link to this morning's podcast.

Dr. Marble mentioned that Tylenol has killed more people than Ivermectin. I thought that was an incredible claim and looked for comparisons between the two drugs but could not find any but I did find this article:

Is Tylenol 'By Far the Most Dangerous Drug Ever Made?'

People all over the world pop Tylenol like candy corn without a second thought, so it must be pretty safe, right? Hardly. The drug can be lethal when taken in a dose that isn't all that much higher than the dose you might take for flu or a headache. Perhaps more surprising, a bottle of 50...

www.acsh.org

Dr. Marble has started an organization that treats Covid-19 patients. He said that his organization can treat patients in all 50 states.

https://myfreedoctor.com/

 

[Doc68]

Guard said it was mandatory so I got it. My civilian job pays $69 an hr and is getting close to mandating it. Wasn't about to lose my military retirement and very good paying job with a nice retirement over getting a dumb shot when I've had 150 other shots in the military already.......Wife is a nurse and makes $45 an hr and they will be mandating it soon. She got it as well strictly based on the crazy number of covid patients our local hospital has. Neither had a single reaction of any sort to the pfizer shots.....

We found him....

Doc

 

[Long_Action]

You might be safe now, insurance is next. How many more times can you afford to run?

Well having a pair of balls is the first step. You will always face challenges in life, but your actions are what defines you. It takes some people an entire lifetime to find their moral compass, and some never do. I sincerely hope others will be by my side, but I won't hesitate to run someone over if it goes against my values. I think the biggest question is... Are you going to be on my side, or are you going to get run over when the time comes to push back?

 

[346ci]

Well having a pair of balls is the first step. You will always face challenges in life, but your actions are what defines you. It takes some people an entire lifetime to find their moral compass, and some never do. I sincerely hope others will be by my side, but I won't hesitate to run someone over if it goes against my values. I think the biggest question is... Are you going to be on my side, or are you going to get run over when the time comes to push back?

Just wanted to make sure you understand everyone doesn't always have options.

I'm on your side but the push back time was early 2019, we are past that point.

 

[Longshot231]

The two issues that need to be weighed on the decision making scales are:

(1) I need the money that my job provides me. Should I take a risk of getting the jab and hope it doesn't hurt me and keep my job, to keep my family housed, fed and clothed?

Or.....

(2) Would I rather be unemployed and poor but have a better chance at long healthy life?

This is a Hobson's choice that the majority of people will be forced to make unless there is enough of a groundswell to change the makeup of the swamp in DC.

 

[Bullfrog08]

Just wanted to make sure you understand everyone doesn't always have options.

I'm on your side but the push back time was early 2019, we are past that point.

People have options....some choose a job over freedom. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice.

Too late.....yeah ok.

 

[Longshot231]

Biden to require all federal workers to be vaccinated -source

U.S. President Joe Biden plans to require all federal employees and government contractors to get vaccinated against COVID-19, a source briefed on the matter told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

Biden Orders Shots for Millions, Calling Unvaccinated a Threat

President Joe Biden said he’d order all executive branch employees, federal contractors and millions of health-care workers to be vaccinated against the coronavirus, and that his administration would issue rules requiring large private employers to mandate shots or testing.

news.bloomberglaw.com

 

[346ci]

People have options....some choose a job over freedom. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice.

Too late.....yeah ok.

So you are good losing everything you worked for? Good with family living on the street when bills are not paid due to no job?

 

[DocRDS]

The two issues that need to be weighed on the decision making scales are:

(1) I need the money that my job provides me. Should I take a risk of getting the jab and hope it doesn't hurt me and keep my job, to keep my family housed, fed and clothed?

Or.....

(2) Would I rather be unemployed and poor but have a better chance at long healthy life?

This is a Hobson's choice that the majority of people will be forced to make unless there is enough of a groundswell to change the makeup of the swamp in DC.

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Unless you make the wrong choice, in which case the howler monkeys around here start flinging turds.

And in that role of everyone's least favorite liberal, I bring you the ACLU who was against mandates until they were for it (Even up until 2020 during covid, the were anti-mandate). Having been on the shooting side of their un-support, it should come as no surprise.

The ACLU, Prior to COVID, Denounced Mandates and Coercive Measures to Fight Pandemics

In a New York Times op-ed this week, the group completely reversed its views, arguing vaccine mandates help civil liberties and bodily autonomy "is not absolute."

greenwald.substack.com

Now are you going to bitch about it more, or are you going to fight:

Gov. Greg Abbott orders third special session to address redistricting, vaccine mandates

The agenda includes redistricting, limiting transgender student athlete participation in school sports and prohibiting vaccine mandates.

www.statesman.com

That would be the TX governor (who got his shot) fighting to prohibit mandates. Those SOB liberals....

 

[Snuby642]

You people threaten our jobs, medical care, fredom to eat out and travel freely about the country.

You are fucking communist and should be treated as an enemy combatant.

Enemies to the Constitution of the United Sates In direct violation of the fourth amendment.

Edit: getting a shot or wearing a mask is not has not been the problem. Engaging in communist activity of forcing others to do so against thier Constitutional rights is. Get it strait commie.

 

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You people threaten our jobs, medical care, fredom to eat out and travel freely about the country.

You are fucking communist and should be treated as an enemy combatant.

Enemies to the Constitution of the United Sates In direct violation of the fourth amendment.

Edit: getting a shot or wearing a mask is not has not been the problem. Engaging in communist activity of forcing others to do so against thier Constitutional rights is. Get it strait commie.

Where? Where do I do any of that.

In fact I support your right not to get the vaccine. My state is shutting down mandates--which I am actively campaigning for (as in campaigning to shut down mandates). In turn, I am labeled a liberal, Nazi, communist, and now enemy combatant because I made a choice to get a shot.

Seems to me the butthurt is on you because my choice is not your choice.

Take your two IQ points, rub em together and try reading comprehension.

You are welcome to try to treat me as an enemy. You may find the resistance 'substantial'
Dig two graves in preparation.