Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
He did....cause he said I couldn't buy one, you snagged them all, you dogs!
He did....cause he said I couldn't buy one, you snagged them all, you dogs!
Rifle Scopes My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
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Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
We should just switch to the Hensoldt 6-24x56 since at 24x there are <span style="font-weight: bold">dots every 0.5 mils and reticle subtension is one half the normal mil dot</span> -- all courtesy of a second focal plane reticle.
We should just switch to the Hensoldt 6-24x56 since at 24x there are <span style="font-weight: bold">dots every 0.5 mils and reticle subtension is one half the normal mil dot</span> -- all courtesy of a second focal plane reticle.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
To me it would be a coin flip as wether to buy a S&B or a hensoldt. Both are top of the game in riflescope optics.
To me it would be a coin flip as wether to buy a S&B or a hensoldt. Both are top of the game in riflescope optics.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M24SWS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me it would be a coin flip as wether to buy a S&B or a hensoldt. Both are top of the game in riflescope optics.</div></div>
Selling something soon?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M24SWS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me it would be a coin flip as wether to buy a S&B or a hensoldt. Both are top of the game in riflescope optics.</div></div>
Selling something soon?
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
no but looking to buy s&b or hensoldt within 90 days hopefully.
no but looking to buy s&b or hensoldt within 90 days hopefully.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
We have the 8 prototypes headed our way (once made).
You can pre order yours here:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-4-16x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-34mm-Sight-P47063.aspx
Here is the new reticle:
We have the 8 prototypes headed our way (once made).
You can pre order yours here:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-4-16x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-34mm-Sight-P47063.aspx
Here is the new reticle:
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
This would be a welcome addition, but like the others, I prefer intersecting crosshairs.
This would be a welcome addition, but like the others, I prefer intersecting crosshairs.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Can I trade mine up for one with the new reticle or have the new reticle retrofit?
Can I trade mine up for one with the new reticle or have the new reticle retrofit?
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
The reticle will be slightly different than the image above but will still be open in the middle.
The reticle will be slightly different than the image above but will still be open in the middle.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
One difference on the Hensoldt reticle vs other non intersecting reticles is that the bottom crosshair/reticle line comes up and to a point ^ to be the aiming point. So, instead of having to hold your target in the middle of an open space like most reticles, you actually have a precise aiming point by using the top point of that bottom crosshair.
I do believe this reticle is superior to other open center designs.
One difference on the Hensoldt reticle vs other non intersecting reticles is that the bottom crosshair/reticle line comes up and to a point ^ to be the aiming point. So, instead of having to hold your target in the middle of an open space like most reticles, you actually have a precise aiming point by using the top point of that bottom crosshair.
I do believe this reticle is superior to other open center designs.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
I'm guessing those markings are .25, .5 and .75 mils????
I could really like this reticle.
I'm guessing those markings are .25, .5 and .75 mils????
I could really like this reticle.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
I believe 1/2 mil marks, so the BIG lines are 4, 8 and 12 mil. 1/4 mil would be too close together. Making the lines different widths allow for holdoffs and quick recognition without numbering the lines.
I believe 1/2 mil marks, so the BIG lines are 4, 8 and 12 mil. 1/4 mil would be too close together. Making the lines different widths allow for holdoffs and quick recognition without numbering the lines.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
On paper, I prefer the mil dot. But my wife says I'm crazy. She says that Zeiss didn't want to number the tic marks because so few people over here can read German.
Here's a through-scope image of my Hensoldt 4x24 with a #4 German reticle. Like the proto Hensoldt reticle, the target aimpoint is supposed to rest on the tip of the bottom stadia, which is pointed also. While we can all debate the proto design (remember the IOR reticle design fest on SH?), eight people need to buy and use these proto scopes to give us some field experience.
On paper, I prefer the mil dot. But my wife says I'm crazy. She says that Zeiss didn't want to number the tic marks because so few people over here can read German.
Here's a through-scope image of my Hensoldt 4x24 with a #4 German reticle. Like the proto Hensoldt reticle, the target aimpoint is supposed to rest on the tip of the bottom stadia, which is pointed also. While we can all debate the proto design (remember the IOR reticle design fest on SH?), eight people need to buy and use these proto scopes to give us some field experience.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
I get what you are saying Jason and the points are better than a cut off edge like the TMR but you are still holding the target in open space as opposed to knowing exactly where your center is. If they connected those lines it would be a reticle for precision shooting.
I get what you are saying Jason and the points are better than a cut off edge like the TMR but you are still holding the target in open space as opposed to knowing exactly where your center is. If they connected those lines it would be a reticle for precision shooting.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
My preference would be a <span style="font-style: italic">small </span>dot in the center of the open space. I've found that dots work very well for me (examples: the Tubb DTAC reticle and the ELCAN SpecterDR reticle).
Rob, the aimpoint in the proto reticle is at the very tip of the bottom stadia, so it's not really floating in space. That's why the bottom stadia is sharp and extended.
My preference would be a <span style="font-style: italic">small </span>dot in the center of the open space. I've found that dots work very well for me (examples: the Tubb DTAC reticle and the ELCAN SpecterDR reticle).
Rob, the aimpoint in the proto reticle is at the very tip of the bottom stadia, so it's not really floating in space. That's why the bottom stadia is sharp and extended.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Maybe if that bottom dot is at the center of the intersection point it would be better. Atleast you could put it in the center of the target and have an exact aiming point. I would still rather be able to quarter the target though.
Maybe if that bottom dot is at the center of the intersection point it would be better. Atleast you could put it in the center of the target and have an exact aiming point. I would still rather be able to quarter the target though.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I get what you are saying Jason and the points are better than a cut off edge like the TMR but you are still holding the target in open space as opposed to knowing exactly where your center is. If they connected those lines it would be a reticle for precision shooting.</div></div>
I'm just guessing here, but given the Hensoldt history, I'm guessing they designed the reticle for tactical not true precision shooting. Like their mildot, the reticle will be .05 mil thick, which isn't ideal for precision shooting. It's thicker for quick acquistion and so that they can use their lit reticle technology that minimizes (not sure if it eliminates) the users night time signature. I'm not using the right terminology for this, it's not coming to me, I'm sure someone with a .mil background will chime in.
I don't disagree that it'd be great if they offered even more options, but it's a step in the right direction.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I get what you are saying Jason and the points are better than a cut off edge like the TMR but you are still holding the target in open space as opposed to knowing exactly where your center is. If they connected those lines it would be a reticle for precision shooting.</div></div>
I'm just guessing here, but given the Hensoldt history, I'm guessing they designed the reticle for tactical not true precision shooting. Like their mildot, the reticle will be .05 mil thick, which isn't ideal for precision shooting. It's thicker for quick acquistion and so that they can use their lit reticle technology that minimizes (not sure if it eliminates) the users night time signature. I'm not using the right terminology for this, it's not coming to me, I'm sure someone with a .mil background will chime in.
I don't disagree that it'd be great if they offered even more options, but it's a step in the right direction.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if that bottom dot is at the center of the intersection point it would be better. Atleast you could put it in the center of the target and have an exact aiming point. I would still rather be able to quarter the target though.</div></div>
Yes, that's it, the tip of the point is at the center of the intersection for an exact aiming point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if that bottom dot is at the center of the intersection point it would be better. Atleast you could put it in the center of the target and have an exact aiming point. I would still rather be able to quarter the target though.</div></div>
Yes, that's it, the tip of the point is at the center of the intersection for an exact aiming point.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
For minute of human chest then it would be fine but I was just looking at it from a match shooter where you might have a 3/8" or smaller dot you have to hit. Thick reticle lines wouldn't work well in that situation either and the above reticle would be better with the point of the lower line coming to center.
I agree it's a step in the right direction
For minute of human chest then it would be fine but I was just looking at it from a match shooter where you might have a 3/8" or smaller dot you have to hit. Thick reticle lines wouldn't work well in that situation either and the above reticle would be better with the point of the lower line coming to center.
I agree it's a step in the right direction
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
One advantage of a "dot" is that you can easily center it on a small circular or square target shape, like quartering a target dot with crosshairs. The dot can be a small as the thickness of the reticle line too, and be illuminated for dim light shooting. And it's really "fast" for me.
One advantage of a "dot" is that you can easily center it on a small circular or square target shape, like quartering a target dot with crosshairs. The dot can be a small as the thickness of the reticle line too, and be illuminated for dim light shooting. And it's really "fast" for me.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> the above reticle would be better with the point of the lower line coming to center.
I agree it's a step in the right direction </div></div>
Rob,
Maybe the drawings don't show this well, but this is exactly how it works.
Take care,
Nathan Hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> the above reticle would be better with the point of the lower line coming to center.
I agree it's a step in the right direction </div></div>
Rob,
Maybe the drawings don't show this well, but this is exactly how it works.
Take care,
Nathan Hunt
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Rob,
Thanks! That was the idea.
As Jason said, we will always use a more field practical line subtension (.05 mils) because that is best for a soldier. I thought of this solution to give both pinpoint aim and easy acquisition in one reticle.
There is only 3/10ths dead space on the top, left, and right of the bottom vertical point, so their will only be a little over 1/10 on either side of a 1" dot at 100 yards.
But as you said, it is tough to get this from the drawings especially as quality is modified so the image can be internet digestible.
All this being said, you never know how well something will work until you put it on glass and shoot with it. This is why we are making the prototypes first.
I hope that helps!
Take care,
Nathan
Rob,
Thanks! That was the idea.
As Jason said, we will always use a more field practical line subtension (.05 mils) because that is best for a soldier. I thought of this solution to give both pinpoint aim and easy acquisition in one reticle.
There is only 3/10ths dead space on the top, left, and right of the bottom vertical point, so their will only be a little over 1/10 on either side of a 1" dot at 100 yards.
But as you said, it is tough to get this from the drawings especially as quality is modified so the image can be internet digestible.
All this being said, you never know how well something will work until you put it on glass and shoot with it. This is why we are making the prototypes first.
I hope that helps!
Take care,
Nathan
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
That certainly makes it much more interesting and if it works well, as intended, may push the Hendsoldt into the must buy list. When are these expected to actually hit the shelves?
That certainly makes it much more interesting and if it works well, as intended, may push the Hendsoldt into the must buy list. When are these expected to actually hit the shelves?
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Let me know if there are any more questions.
Take care!
Nathan Hunt
</div></div> The last time I checked, the US military still required CCW knobs. Are CCW knobs available now for commercial buyers?
Thanks,
DC
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Let me know if there are any more questions.
Take care!
Nathan Hunt
</div></div> The last time I checked, the US military still required CCW knobs. Are CCW knobs available now for commercial buyers?
Thanks,
DC
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
CCW knobs are available to the military, but not commercial buyers.
CCW knobs are available to the military, but not commercial buyers.
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Mute,
We should be getting the prototypes made within about 5 to 7 weeks.
I really can't wait!
Best regards,
Nathan
Mute,
We should be getting the prototypes made within about 5 to 7 weeks.
I really can't wait!
Best regards,
Nathan
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Why not offer CCW knobs to the public? Seems like an option that would be no harm, no foul, for hendsolt to make available.
Why not offer CCW knobs to the public? Seems like an option that would be no harm, no foul, for hendsolt to make available.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CCW knobs are available to the military, but not commercial buyers.</div></div>
Oh well. For those of us who use more than one scope for competition, this is a deal killer. My S&B, Premier & Nightforce scopes all have CCW knobs, and making a correction without coming out of the scope is 2nd nature. Adding a CW knob scope to the stable would pretty much guarantee at least a degree of confusion, and occasionally a correction in the wrong direction. Hopefully Hensoldt will change this policy eventually.
Regards,
DC
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CCW knobs are available to the military, but not commercial buyers.</div></div>
Oh well. For those of us who use more than one scope for competition, this is a deal killer. My S&B, Premier & Nightforce scopes all have CCW knobs, and making a correction without coming out of the scope is 2nd nature. Adding a CW knob scope to the stable would pretty much guarantee at least a degree of confusion, and occasionally a correction in the wrong direction. Hopefully Hensoldt will change this policy eventually.
Regards,
DC
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Jrose and DC Smith,
Thanks for your input.
I could have a limited run of scopes made with CCW knobs...
If there is enough interest, I will talk about it with one of our dealers.
Best regards,
Nathan Hunt
Jrose and DC Smith,
Thanks for your input.
I could have a limited run of scopes made with CCW knobs...
If there is enough interest, I will talk about it with one of our dealers.
Best regards,
Nathan Hunt
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DC Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CCW knobs are available to the military, but not commercial buyers.</div></div>
Oh well. For those of us who use more than one scope for competition, this is a deal killer. My S&B, Premier & Nightforce scopes all have CCW knobs, and making a correction without coming out of the scope is 2nd nature. Adding a CW knob scope to the stable would pretty much guarantee at least a degree of confusion, and occasionally a correction in the wrong direction. Hopefully Hensoldt will change this policy eventually.
Regards,
DC
</div></div>
Exactly... CCW knobs needed!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DC Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CCW knobs are available to the military, but not commercial buyers.</div></div>
Oh well. For those of us who use more than one scope for competition, this is a deal killer. My S&B, Premier & Nightforce scopes all have CCW knobs, and making a correction without coming out of the scope is 2nd nature. Adding a CW knob scope to the stable would pretty much guarantee at least a degree of confusion, and occasionally a correction in the wrong direction. Hopefully Hensoldt will change this policy eventually.
Regards,
DC
</div></div>
Exactly... CCW knobs needed!
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Jason,
Is the mildot reticle in the Hensoldt in size comparison the same as S&B's p3?
Thanks, Pat
Jason,
Is the mildot reticle in the Hensoldt in size comparison the same as S&B's p3?
Thanks, Pat
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
I really don't know, I'll look up the subtenstions of the P3 later, unless you know them.
I really don't know, I'll look up the subtenstions of the P3 later, unless you know them.
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Thanks, I've always gotten by fine with the P3's in my PMII's. In fact I prefer that reticle over the others I have...that includes the GenII and P4F. I went ahead and ordered the Hensoldt 4-16X56FF. It's going on my new GAP Crusader .260.
How is that scope for sun glare without a sunshade? I have a 3-12PMII that gets a lot of glare(the front lense isnt recessed very far from the end of the bell) and I need to run a sunshade on it almost all the time....just wondering if I need to order in a sun shade for it...
Thanks, Pat
Thanks, I've always gotten by fine with the P3's in my PMII's. In fact I prefer that reticle over the others I have...that includes the GenII and P4F. I went ahead and ordered the Hensoldt 4-16X56FF. It's going on my new GAP Crusader .260.
How is that scope for sun glare without a sunshade? I have a 3-12PMII that gets a lot of glare(the front lense isnt recessed very far from the end of the bell) and I need to run a sunshade on it almost all the time....just wondering if I need to order in a sun shade for it...
Thanks, Pat
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
We don't get sun here in the NW.
But I ordered mine with a sunshade and have always had it on there, so I can't really tell you.
We don't get sun here in the NW.
But I ordered mine with a sunshade and have always had it on there, so I can't really tell you.
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
What is the weight of this scope? Maybe i need one of those samples from SWFA for my hunting rifle. Need to ditch the leupy...
Jason, You shooting either WCT shoot or the Oregon shoot? If so, can you bring this scope with so i can put my paws on it?
What is the weight of this scope? Maybe i need one of those samples from SWFA for my hunting rifle. Need to ditch the leupy...
Jason, You shooting either WCT shoot or the Oregon shoot? If so, can you bring this scope with so i can put my paws on it?
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-4-16x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-34mm-Sight-P41076.aspx
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-4-16x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-34mm-Sight-P41076.aspx
Re: My Hensoldt 4-16x56 FFP Review
Does the same 56mm sunshade / ARD from USO fit the S&B and the Premiere and the Hensoldt? Or do they all have different threads?
TIA
Does the same 56mm sunshade / ARD from USO fit the S&B and the Premiere and the Hensoldt? Or do they all have different threads?
TIA
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