New GAP Extreme Hunter in 6.5 SAUM

[A10XRIFLE]

News on Pricing, MAP (minimum advertised price) is $1499. We are not going to be able to bust that number, and I understand as its important for sales to dealers and distributors that they cant be undercut and break there own guidelines. Second part, and more understanding is supply. These are sourced from Light Optical in Japan they make high end scopes for most of the top scope manufacturers in the US. This is not a scope that 10,000 will be made a year. Demand I'm assuming will be high and the supply will be low. The good part of this is that the fist 200 available will be available here. First shipment is scheduled for the first part of April and we will get them which should allow some time and tax returns to come in. I will not need anything down, same as usual. Just a PM to secure one and I will notify you for full payment a week or so before they show up. When you PM please include your full name address and phone # and how many you want. Shipping will be $1. for each scope ordered.

 

[1slow01z71]

The price is unfortunate as that puts it right in the same class as what the new vortex razors will hit the street at. If this was going to be in the 1200 range I would be all over it but at 1500 its only a couple hundred more to get in a different class of scope. Hopefully once theyve gotten on the market retailers can run "coupon code" sales to get around MAP. The weight and the large elevation turret really interest me but the rest of the specs are comparable to others in the category.

 

[cooper_257]

I think the scope is a great scope even at $1500 it is the best job I have seen yet on a long range hunting optic. George and Pat hit a home run with this one. I just want to say thanks to George and Pat for taking there time, knowledge and experience, to make a scope like this available to us. I would love to have one of these on my GAP-10 for predator hunting this winter, although due to lack of funds I will have to wait a wile longer.

 

[eshorebwhntr]

Finally got mine back...

Got my 6.5 back from GAP Friday night. I'd had a saum chambering since 09 but the chamber was cut way to tight and never realized the potential of this caliber. I was loosening primer pockets after 3 firings and at much much milder performance than what GAP is getting with the 4S chamber.

Mounted the scope and loaded 10 rounds to try Friday night. New Remington brass-neck turned-trimmed, F215, 60.0gr H-1000, .005 jump to the lands w/ 140 Berger (unpointed). 1-4 shot group (after bore site correction) 1-5 shot group at 200. I'm a happy camper to say the least. Thanks to all the guys at GAP for such a great job all the way around with this.

Maryland usually has a 2 day doe rifle season in January, definitely looking forward to that. I also plan on taking this for my high country mule deer hunt in Wyoming Oct 2014.

Does anyone have any BC numbers for the pointed & meplat trimmed 140 VLD? Also, what jump/jam are you getting them to group well with? Thanks.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Answer a few pm's

the sling is from Montana slings. Pat Sinclair

i think George includes one with every X Hunter rifle

 

[XTREM HTR16]

Answer a few pm's

the sling is from Montana slings. Pat Sinclair

i think George includes one with every X Hunter rifle

Yep, got a black 1" model with mine.


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[A10XRIFLE]

Yep, got a black 1" model with mine.


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Best sling there is for carry!!!

 

[Randoman5]

Could you make this cartridge work in an AIAE or is there no way to have the right bolt face?

 

[chevy327]

do you plan on hunting elk with this rifle ?

I'm in discussion with GAP currently on my new rifle build. It might be a once in a lifetime build so I Hesitate to go ( 6.5SAUM)small caliber. I have owned 300wm and 300bee . The rifle I've been quoted for is based off the non typical in 300wsm manners or mcM stock and muzzle break. This rifle would be mainly for hunting but I also like to shoot a lot from the bench. I would also like to extend my shooting ability past 500 yards into 1000 would be fun and educational. I have taken deer and elk cleanly with 1 shot past 300 yards. I live in Oregon and have hunted WY and MT and continue to do so when possible. In reality most shots are under 300 %99 of the time .

 

[Huckleberry75]

do you plan on hunting elk with this rifle ?

I'm in discussion with GAP currently on my new rifle build. It might be a once in a lifetime build so I Hesitate to go ( 6.5SAUM)small caliber. I have owned 300wm and 300bee . The rifle I've been quoted for is based off the non typical in 300wsm manners or mcM stock and muzzle break. This rifle would be mainly for hunting but I also like to shoot a lot from the bench. I would also like to extend my shooting ability past 500 yards into 1000 would be fun and educational. I have taken deer and elk cleanly with 1 shot past 300 yards. I live in Oregon and have hunted WY and MT and continue to do so when possible. In reality most shots are under 300 %99 of the time .

This cartridge has cleanly taken plenty of critters, large and small. Look early on in the thread, and you will see George smiling with and cow elk he shot with Pat, you will see some other members with their various deer and elk harvested with it as well. Run the numbers, and the 130 vld with a BC of .600 from the SAUM has just about the same KE at 1000yds as a 185 VLD out of my 300wm starting at 3050. With 15gns less of H1000!!

 

[chevy327]

7.5 lbs of awesome...

is that the manners %90 GAP camo stock ? I have seen a few stocks on this thread . Im in process of ordering a GAP rifle and undecided on stocks. This one you posted doesnt look like the one on the GAP website. different pattern and color. I was curious how you like this stock ?

 

[chevy327]

This cartridge has cleanly taken plenty of critters, large and small. Look early on in the thread, and you will see George smiling with and cow elk he shot with Pat, you will see some other members with their various deer and elk harvested with it as well. Run the numbers, and the 130 vld with a BC of .600 from the SAUM has just about the same KE at 1000yds as a 185 VLD out of my 300wm starting at 3050. With 15gns less of H1000!!

After 29 pages of education, great photos and common chitchat I think I have decided that the 6.5GAP is a great choice for me.......Now I just need to decide witch stock to get and my order will be next. Manners %90 carbon GAP camo or McMillian M40A1 or Manners MCS-T OOOOOOhhhhh the options LOL

Maybe just build two ? That way I can get a grizz caliber

 

[Skyking]

Anyone find a good seating depth with the Berger 130vld's and the new shorter .081 reamer. I cant get mine to shoot good at 200 yards and tried all kinds of COAl. I have 150 rounds down it now and still having trouble. It shoots good at 100 yards, but really opens up at 200 yards.

Load Nosler brass turned down to 15
61.5 H1000
CCI-BR2 primers
COAL 2.870

My ave 4 shot 100 yard groups


But when i move out to 200 yards group open way up. The ave 200 yard group looks like the top group of this 100 yard target at best.


Thanks for the help. Its frustrating. I want to try the Berger 140 Hybrid once I can find them. Maybe the gun just does not like the 130's

Cory

 

[Sendero_Man]

Cory,

have you tried hair more powder ? one group looks like you are getting some vertical

I run 61.5 with the 140's. Have you shot the 130's with 63 grains ?

 

[Bob L Swagger]

This damn thread...!!! Has caused me to call Stiller for a Mag bolt, place an order for a 1:8.7 #3 Bartlein (Thank you George), reach out to Copper Creek, order a 6.5 4S PTG Reamer and PESTER THE SHIT OUT OF Mr. G! The Killstick is going into the shop for a SWITCH BARREL setup!!! I really look forward to joining the 4S club!

 

[Tackleberry]

Bob lee is going to be one happy dude! I got lazy and just had josh load them for me. Get the pointed 130's

 

[XTREM HTR16]

is that the manners %90 GAP camo stock ? I have seen a few stocks on this thread . Im in process of ordering a GAP rifle and undecided on stocks. This one you posted doesnt look like the one on the GAP website. different pattern and color. I was curious how you like this stock ?

It's the Manners SL model for the Extreme Hunter. Not sure offhand what the % carbon fiber is. Standard GAP camo paint with graphite black cerakote.

 

[bas402]

This damn thread...!!! Has caused me to call Stiller for a Mag bolt, place an order for a 1:8.7 #3 Bartlein (Thank you George), reach out to Copper Creek, order a 6.5 4S PTG Reamer and PESTER THE SHIT OUT OF Mr. G! The Killstick is going into the shop for a SWITCH BARREL setup!!! I really look forward to joining the 4S club!

I'm going the same route on my 6.5 4S build with a Bighorn TL2 AW cut and Chanlynn 1:8.5 hvy palma barrels finishing at 26". I have my AW mags,300WSM mags to pair it up with a 260. It is going to be a fun build. good luck with yours!

 

[KYS]

Im testing pointed 140gr JLK bullets right now. So far I am very impressed. Today off my old Berger 140gr zero I was able to get to 725 yards in 3.8 MILS. When the weather warms up that will flatten out more.
I will get to shooting the 130gr JLK's as well. Will report back!

 

[KYS]

Anyone find a good seating depth with the Berger 130vld's and the new shorter .081 reamer. I cant get mine to shoot good at 200 yards and tried all kinds of COAl. I have 150 rounds down it now and still having trouble. It shoots good at 100 yards, but really opens up at 200 yards.

Load Nosler brass turned down to 15
61.5 H1000
CCI-BR2 primers
COAL 2.870

My ave 4 shot 100 yard groups


But when i move out to 200 yards group open way up. The ave 200 yard group looks like the top group of this 100 yard target at best.


Thanks for the help. Its frustrating. I want to try the Berger 140 Hybrid once I can find them. Maybe the gun just does not like the 130's

Cory

You are running a bit slow for 130gr VLD's. As it was mentioned go up to 63gr of powder.

 

[chevy327]

Well heck, I'm a bit confused. On manners website it shows their GAP camo more of a blurry spotty type pattern. McMillan website shows theirGAP camo mmore classic woodland military pattern. Then on your rifle its opposite and the rifles on this forum look like manners pattern. I know that we have options when building/ ordering a rifle from GA.Precision but with all these options im a bit confused, lol *

 

[Skyking]

Cory,

have you tried hair more powder ? one group looks like you are getting some vertical

I run 61.5 with the 140's. Have you shot the 130's with 63 grains ?

Thanks Scott,
I think you guys have the longer throat reamers. I started with 62 but was getting stiff bolt lift. 62.3-62.5 i was getting really stuff bolt lift. There is no why I could shoot 63 grains. I will keep messing with seating depth.

Hey if anyone needs a reamer they are welcome to use mine.

 

[chevy327]

You are running a bit slow for 130gr VLD's. As it was mentioned go up to 63gr of powder.

Got the new GAP Extreme Hunter in 6.5 SAUM !

GA Precision Extreme Hunter
6.5 SAUM

Templar Extreme Hunter action
Bartlein 8.7 twist, fluted barrel @ 24”
Vias brake
Manners 100% Carbon Fiber SL stock
APA bottom metal
Jewell HVR trigger
Talley LW rings
NF 2.5-10x32 scope



GAP Extreme Hunter

here is George, Pat and mine in background. First 3 built in the new Extreme Hunter series.

These rifles are stupid accurate. Been incredibly impressed so far.

Zero'd at 200 and tested out to 839 yards this weekend at the Icebreaker III shoot. About 50 rounds downrange so far.

Cinch was spotting and I had first round hits at 509, 710, and 839 yards. The 140's and 130's are both very impressive.
15.2 MOA at 839 with the 140 AMAX.

will post more results soon. Gonna be very impressive platform !!

Im very close to ordering a GAP rifle. Im just undecided on the stock options. I am curious as to what patten and color is this rifle pictured. It appears darker than the website display. I really like this rifle pictured in this forum. Very sharp looking shooter

 

[tigerfan_9]

Well heck, I'm a bit confused. On manners website it shows their GAP camo more of a blurry spotty type pattern. McMillan website shows theirGAP camo mmore classic woodland military pattern. Then on your rifle its opposite and the rifles on this forum look like manners pattern. I know that we have options when building/ ordering a rifle from GA.Precision but with all these options im a bit confused, lol *

It's custom paint not molded color.

 

[chevy327]

Thank you, that makes more sence to me. Total brain fart, lol

 

[XTREM HTR16]

Well heck, I'm a bit confused. On manners website it shows their GAP camo more of a blurry spotty type pattern. McMillan website shows theirGAP camo mmore classic woodland military pattern. Then on your rifle its opposite and the rifles on this forum look like manners pattern. I know that we have options when building/ ordering a rifle from GA.Precision but with all these options im a bit confused, lol *

Just tell Ken you want it painted GAP camo and he'll take care of you!


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[chevy327]

I think I will choose the molded in Gap camo. It
Catches my eye the most. Although this first
Time custom build for me has me changing my
Mind often. I also live in Oregon. If I'm hunting the
Coast Jungle a rifle is sometimes part hatchet or paddle.
Lol. Scratching might hide better. Im sure either stock will
Be a great choice as they are both up most quality as their reputation stands tall

 

[Sendero_Man]

Chevy327... Hydro dip might be a great option for you as well. very durable. Georges X-hunter rifle is dipped (the one on the website)

I have been running a dipped GAP rifle for coyote hunting for over three years and it is tough as nails !

 

[tigerfan_9]

I think I will choose the molded in Gap camo. It
Catches my eye the most. Although this first
Time custom build for me has me changing my
Mind often. I also live in Oregon. If I'm hunting the
Coast Jungle a rifle is sometimes part hatchet or paddle.
Lol. Scratching might hide better. Im sure either stock will
Be a great choice as they are both up most quality as their reputation stands tall

The molded camo option adds weight as the shell is different. Check with manners as to the difference but I think it is about a pound or so.

 

[chevy327]

I must have overlooked that. Weight is definitely a key factor.
So maybe the Manners carbon SL comes in painted opinions only?
I will recheck. Thank you sir

 

[chevy327]

Does the hydro dipped remain textured ?

Sweet looking coyote slayer. Thanks for the pictures
and info.

 

[Sendero_Man]

I must have overlooked that. Weight is definitely a key factor.
So maybe the Manners carbon SL comes in painted opinions only?
I will recheck. Thank you sir

Correct, paint only

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Anyone find a good seating depth with the Berger 130vld's and the new shorter .081 reamer. I cant get mine to shoot good at 200 yards and tried all kinds of COAl. I have 150 rounds down it now and still having trouble. It shoots good at 100 yards, but really opens up at 200 yards.

Load Nosler brass turned down to 15
61.5 H1000
CCI-BR2 primers
COAL 2.870

My ave 4 shot 100 yard groups


But when i move out to 200 yards group open way up. The ave 200 yard group looks like the top group of this 100 yard target at best.


Thanks for the help. Its frustrating. I want to try the Berger 140 Hybrid once I can find them. Maybe the gun just does not like the 130's

Cory

Should have got a GAP



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[Skyking]

My first two custom guns are GAP's. I guess there is bad blood between you too? So I guess no help here then. Sometimes you have to go with the guy that you can call his cell phone I hope I can figure this out but it really has me stumped. Stuff bolt with not pressure signs and slow speeds.

 

[KYS]

The molded camo option adds weight as the shell is different. Check with manners as to the difference but I think it is about a pound or so.

If you go with the Elite Tactical layup then you lose about a pound from the standard stocks. The molded in camo's do not add a pound of weight simply for being molded in color.
They may add a few ounces because of the gel coat being used.

 

[KYS]

My first two custom guns are GAP's. I guess there is bad blood between you too? So I guess no help here then. Sometimes you have to go with the guy that you can call his cell phone I hope I can figure this out but it really has me stumped. Stuff bolt with not pressure signs and slow speeds.

You are reading into that to much. He is just ribbing you a bit. I go with the guy that I can call his cell phone too…… GAP.

 

[chevy327]

If solid copper was decided to be thrown down range in 6.5saum. Does it take higher pressures to make these ttsx perform? I hear pros and cons from both hunting Bergs and ttsx.
TTSX
-If you hit bone the ttsx performs well at all ranges
-If you hit flesh and organs only - beyond avg. 400 yards you will most likely be sending a 2nd round
-BC is lower but that just takes a few extra clicks when dialing right ?
-if your over the age of 50 most dont like copper , LOL

I have no personal experience with ttsx. I have shot a 340 class bull with 2 180tsx 300bee at 475yards. Both complete pass troughs no bone hit. Elk walked 30-40 yards. I also shot an 3x5 bull in eastern Oregon at 325 yards same bullets but with a 300bee . 1st shot dropped him . I let him sit 25 mins . When I got about 20ft he jumped and starred right at me . I wasn't sure if he was gonna charge me or run . I about shit my pants and got instant itchy to throw one from the hip. He ran away and I got one in his neck at 50 yards. dead elk. My other elk was shot with a 165 ballistic tip with 300wm at 50 yards. High shoulder shot ( 900lb 5x7 Rosie in the Oregon Coast range good idea) DRT no exit. yes I said no exit at 50 yards . I recovered the bullet in opposite shoulder hide.

many deer taken at ranges 325 and under with 300bee tsx 7mm sierra bthp and .243 sierra bthp always destructive always DRT some pass troughs but most just grenades

Bergs
-perform great at close ranges at whatever u hit
-if you hit bone at long ranges avg 400yrds penetration becomes minimal and a 2nd shot will be needed
-better BC
-bench rest loves them

I like the feed back of both bullets . If the pressures are high to use the ttsx in the 6.5saum it will make an easier option for me when reloading because lower pressures are best in this awesome little package.

do the hunting Bergs perform similar to the sierra bthp ?

 

[tigerfan_9]

If you go with the Elite Tactical layup then you lose about a pound from the standard stocks. The molded in camo's do not add a pound of weight simply for being molded in color.
They may add a few ounces because of the gel coat being used.

From Tom....the Elite hunters weight in at 24-25oz and the Elite Tactical (non-adj) are about 34-35. So 10oz and not a full pound. Just pointing out to him that the molded options will add some weight which many are looking to do the opposite for a hunting rig.

 

[chevy327]

If you go with the Elite Tactical layup then you lose about a pound from the standard stocks. The molded in camo's do not add a pound of weight simply for being molded in color.
They may add a few ounces because of the gel coat being used.

I read on manners site and GAP site that the molding in camo is a utility grade quality but is extremely durable. They also remind you that's its not a fancy perfected process either and there will be most likely be minor flaws.

Manners site also said that they don't do custom paint anymore.

I read that this rifle is 9 lbs even with equipment. That's and good combo of carry and balance weight. This rifle is sweet looking. I would like to know if its custom paint or molded in and what pattern and colors were used. It looks like molded in to me.Manners site didn't have it. One of the guys they have referenced has a similar pattern but different colors and hes in Kansas also. I'm excited to order my first GAP rifle and first custom build. I just want to make sure I get it all straight before I drop a ton of coin in a rifle.

 

[KYS]

From Tom....the Elite hunters weight in at 24-25oz and the Elite Tactical (non-adj) are about 34-35. So 10oz and not a full pound. Just pointing out to him that the molded options will add some weight which many are looking to do the opposite for a hunting rig.

Yes, but you are talking about a Hunting stock vs a Tactical style stock. Of course they are going to weight different, the shells are completely different. But I am merely putting it into perspective that molded in color vs paint is minuscule differences. And that came directly from Tom.

 

[KYS]

I read on manners site and GAP site that the molding in camo is a utility grade quality but is extremely durable. They also remind you that's its not a fancy perfected process either and there will be most likely be minor flaws.

Manners site also said that they don't do custom paint anymore.

I read that this rifle is 9 lbs even with equipment. That's and good combo of carry and balance weight. This rifle is sweet looking. I would like to know if its custom paint or molded in and what pattern and colors were used. It looks like molded in to me.Manners site didn't have it. One of the guys they have referenced has a similar pattern but different colors and hes in Kansas also. I'm excited to order my first GAP rifle and first custom build. I just want to make sure I get it all straight before I drop a ton of coin in a rifle. View attachment 24695

That is GAP camo in a flectarn pattern. The metal is done in black. There are several guys that can do that for you but I would use Custom Gun Coatings. Branden is the owner and he is on this site [MENTION=16310]Short-bus[/MENTION] is his username. He is in Kansas City and can take care of the camo part.
Mino flaws are not going to be noticed in the molded in camo, I have several and they all look great. The rifle pictured is PAINTED.

 

[tigerfan_9]

Yes, but you are talking about a Hunting stock vs a Tactical style stock. Of course they are going to weight different, the shells are completely different. But I am merely putting it into perspective that molded in color vs paint is minuscule differences. And that came directly from Tom.

true, i have not seen the EH available with a molded camo option though as the website says paint only so if he is wanting a molded camo it will come in a heavier stock. my wording that the camo caused the extra weight was bad as i meant to get the molded camo you have (as far as i have seen on the site) to get the heavier stock selections.

 

[chevy327]

That is GAP camo in a flectarn pattern. The metal is done in black. There are several guys that can do that for you but I would use Custom Gun Coatings. Branden is the owner and he is on this site [MENTION=16310]Short-bus[/MENTION] is his username. He is in Kansas City and can take care of the camo part.
Mino flaws are not going to be noticed in the molded in camo, I have several and they all look great. The rifle pictured is PAINTED.

thank you. I believe his site is what I looked at. I saw this pattern but with different colors. The flectarn pattern is pretty sweet. The molded Gap camo is sweet also.The hydro dipps are sharp looking to. I'm not sure what the cost difference is but after you brake 4k does it really matter LOL .

 

[tho98027]

What's the base color of this painted stock? If one was ordering the mcs sl stock from manners to try and duplicate this color scheme, what color should be ordered from manners? Earth brown? Coyote tan? Then send it to short bus to paint just the flectarn pattern? Does it even matter what base color is ordered, does Brandon just repaibt the whole thing ?

 

[diverdon]

My first two custom guns are GAP's. I guess there is bad blood between you too? So I guess no help here then. Sometimes you have to go with the guy that you can call his cell phone I hope I can figure this out but it really has me stumped. Stuff bolt with not pressure signs and slow speeds.

Skyking, have you had any luck solving your 200 yard problem? I wonder how did you come by your brass? Did you get it from CC or did you size your own? Have you chronographed your load, and were the speeds what consistent with what was published earlier in the thread?

 

[XTREM HTR16]

What's the base color of this painted stock? If one was ordering the mcs sl stock from manners to try and duplicate this color scheme, what color should be ordered from manners? Earth brown? Coyote tan? Then send it to short bus to paint just the flectarn pattern? Does it even matter what base color is ordered, does Brandon just repaibt the whole thing ?

And here I thought it was hydrodipped!

 

[A10XRIFLE]

My first two custom guns are GAP's. I guess there is bad blood between you too? So I guess no help here then. Sometimes you have to go with the guy that you can call his cell phone I hope I can figure this out but it really has me stumped. Stuff bolt with not pressure signs and slow speeds.

No bad blood. But if I had to take a guess Moon used a tight bore. He was into those and uses them a lot. Check the Bore Size. Everything we have built and tested is SAMI bore size.


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[KYS]

What's the base color of this painted stock? If one was ordering the mcs sl stock from manners to try and duplicate this color scheme, what color should be ordered from manners? Earth brown? Coyote tan? Then send it to short bus to paint just the flectarn pattern? Does it even matter what base color is ordered, does Brandon just repaibt the whole thing ?

OD Green. Then stencils are laid over it to do the FDE and black…… I'm kind of guessing but that is how I would do it.

 

[tho98027]

Thanks KYS!

 

[chevy327]

Chevy327... Hydro dip might be a great option for you as well. very durable. Georges X-hunter rifle is dipped (the one on the website)

I have been running a dipped GAP rifle for coyote hunting for over three years and it is tough as nails !

is this the Arid/Urban color selection you pick for hydro dipped ? I saw 3 selections currently with GAP.