New Larue upper 4th July Special

[call_me_ski]

Few things can get people as divided as Larue. I believe pretending that Larues can’t shoot is part of the terms of service on this site.

I have owned a few Larues over the years and they have all shot incredibly well. All have since been sold. I will likely pick up another PredatOBR if he starts selling them with the new handguard he is showing off.

People claim that they have become irrelevant due to stagnation yet they are one of two down selects for MRGG.

It is an issue that the predatOBR doesn’t have MLok, but JP is recommended.

It is an issue that the lower may wobble, but it is okay that JP tells people to put quarters in the bottom of receiver extensions.

Neither of those is meant as a particular jab at JP but can highlight the bias that exists. I have a couple JPs on order myself.

Larue’s largest problem is the man’s Internet personality, and with that a lot of the goodwill people will extend toward a company evaporate. The products themselves are top notch from my experience.

 

[Triple D]

I will likely pick up another PredatOBR if he starts selling them with the new handguard he is showing off.

Larue’s largest problem is the man’s Internet personality, and with that a lot of the goodwill people will extend toward a company evaporate.

Is it actually a new handguard, or is he offering an ARCA rail now?

Most of the larue parts are good, but the barrels aren’t nearly as wonderful as Mark likes to make them out to be. So yes, that may lead to some resentment from ppl who purchase a rifle or barrel from LT that doesn’t hold up to 3/4moa groups with regularity. Are all bad? Certainly not, but there are far more mediocre barrels than good to great that come out of Leander. Perhaps the OBR barrels are hand selected, but you don’t have to spend 3k to get a great shooting AR15/AR10.

And to further your point, it’s hard for those of us that have been burned by LT barrels in the past to buy into anything Mark post, especially after his recent debacle of claiming that his aborted bolt gun won a PRS match. Even when confronted with the inaccuracies of his statement, he continued to feed lies to anyone gullible enough to believe it. Just like those 3 shot groups he posts…..

 

[call_me_ski]

The handguard has Mlok at the 3 and 9 o’clock near the front and 6 o’clock for the entire length.

When you say burned by Larue barrels you mean barrels that failed to meet the 1 MOA guarantee that he wouldn’t replace or …?

 

[Triple D]

The handguard has Mlok at the 3 and 9 o’clock near the front and 6 o’clock for the entire length.

When you say burned by Larue barrels you mean barrels that failed to meet the 1 MOA guarantee that he wouldn’t replace or …?

Yes, the barrels would not shoot consistently. I reached out to LT and they said that it would likely be several weeks/months before they could evaluate the barrel. I sold them and replaced with other barrels in the same price range. It was faster, and less of a chance of getting the same barrel back that “produced” 1 or 2 decent 3 shot groups.

I’ve had 4-5 LT barrels, but only ended up keeping 1 due to performance. Maybe I’ve just had bad luck.

 

[bigjake83]

Few things can get people as divided as Larue. I believe pretending that Larues can’t shoot is part of the terms of service on this site.

I have owned a few Larues over the years and they have all shot incredibly well. All have since been sold. I will likely pick up another PredatOBR if he starts selling them with the new handguard he is showing off.

People claim that they have become irrelevant due to stagnation yet they are one of two down selects for MRGG.

It is an issue that the predatOBR doesn’t have MLok, but JP is recommended.

It is an issue that the lower may wobble, but it is okay that JP tells people to put quarters in the bottom of receiver extensions.

Neither of those is meant as a particular jab at JP but can highlight the bias that exists. I have a couple JPs on order myself.

Larue’s largest problem is the man’s Internet personality, and with that a lot of the goodwill people will extend toward a company evaporate. The products themselves are top notch from my experience.

I know you're not trying to put JP down so I just wanted to tell you when you get your new JP rifles you'll see that there is no spacers required. The problem isn't with the JP SCS, the need for spacers is because there is a huge amount of inconsistencies with buffers between manufacturers and that's ok because they don't need to be because the buffer systems that majority of the world uses utilize a traditional spring and weighted buffer system which is always under tension hence why you need a buffer retaining pin. The JP SCS doesn't work that way, they're a self-contained system that is fixed to a specific length.

and I 100% agree that both JP and Larue need to make the switch to M-lok, nobody likes paying $50 for a proprietary picatinny mount.

I said that the LT flagship rifles are irrelevant and dated because they are. The MRGG-s is based off of the Ultimate Upper which incorporates M-lok BTW, and if you know more about the MRGG program Id love to hear about last I heard anything was 2019.

There's easily about a half dozen changes that could be made to his flagship rifles that could put him back on top, but they sit unchanged and definitely don't represent what a $3500 rifle should by today's standards IMO.

And lastly the reasons why everyone is willing to look past whatever minor shortcomings JP has is because they know with 100% certainty that if anything goes wrong with their JP rifles they're going to receive some of the best customer service in the industry and be treated with respect.

 

[Molon]

When you say burned by Larue barrels you mean barrels that failed to meet the 1 MOA guarantee that he wouldn’t replace or …?

For a piss-ant, cherry-picked, statistically insignificant 3-shot group.

I hereby guarantee that my chrome-lined, NATO chambered Colt barrels shoot SUB 1/2 MOA using steel case, bi-metal jacket Wolf ammunition.

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[RUTGERS95]

For a piss-ant, cherry-picked, statistically insignificant 3-shot group.

I hereby guarantee that my chrome-lined, NATO chambered Colt barrels shoot SUB 1/2 MOA using steel case, bi-metal jacket Wolf ammunition.

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lol well played and that should be game, set, match!!!!!!

I will say however, those colt socom barrels are pretty accurate!

 

[JimmyT]

Anyone actually shot their upper yet?

 

[Monstershot]

Anyone actually shot their upper yet?

I’m going today, but I don’t have match ammo for it. I’ll see if I can best Molon’s 3 shot wolf group with some IMI 55 Fmj

 

[JimmyT]

Just shot today with some get to know you rounds… got one good group with a flyer and others that show plenty of promise. Upper was well assembled and was a tight fit to my LaRue lower. So far I’m very happy with the upper.

 

[bfoosh006]

Just shot today with some get to know you rounds… got one good group with a flyer and others that show plenty of promise. Upper was well assembled and was a tight fit to my LaRue lower. So far I’m very happy with the upper.

Is the ammo you used, some of the Swedish made Winchester ? I can't tell from the pic.

And thanks for posting !

 

[JimmyT]

Is the ammo you used, some of the Swedish made Winchester ? I can't tell from the pic.

And thanks for posting !

Yep. Bought a crap ton of it 3 years ago. No way it’s match ammo… but good practice rounds.

 

[hlee]

Just for those that are saying "going from 1 MOA to 1/2 MOA isn't a big deal" please remember that 1MOA circumscribes a circle 4 times larger (area) than 1/2 MOA.

 

[Monstershot]

Just for those that are saying "going from 1 MOA to 1/2 MOA isn't a big deal" please remember that 1MOA circumscribes a circle 4 times larger (area) than 1/2 MOA.

I don’t think anyone said that.

 

[JimmyT]

Just finished shooting more today. Shot different “match grade” ammo with 1.25”-1.5” results. Nothing spectacular until I started with my 77 grain HPBT hand loads over 23.4 grains of 8208 XBR. Getting close to 150 rounds total shot down the upper with zero malfunctions. Think I’ll keep it!

 

[Triple D]

Just finished shooting more today. Shot different “match grade” ammo with 1.25”-1.5” results. Nothing spectacular until I started with my 77 grain HPBT hand loads over 23.4 grains of 8208 XBR. Getting close to 150 rounds total shot down the upper with zero malfunctions. Think I’ll keep it!

Did you shoot more than 1 group with the handloads? Nice group, but I’m curious how it does at reproducibility for 3+ groups.

 

[JimmyT]

Did you shoot more than 1 group with the handloads? Nice group, but I’m curious how it does at reproducibility for 3+ groups.

I’m working on it… as the barrel breaks in I will get more data… and groups

 

[RUTGERS95]

Just finished shooting more today. Shot different “match grade” ammo with 1.25”-1.5” results. Nothing spectacular until I started with my 77 grain HPBT hand loads over 23.4 grains of 8208 XBR. Getting close to 150 rounds total shot down the upper with zero malfunctions. Think I’ll keep it!

that is pretty sad given less than 10% of shooting community reloads so most are stuck with commercial match loads. 1.25 to 1.5 is not good with 'match' ammo.

 

[hlee]

Could be the Indian. Just sayin...

 

[RUTGERS95]

Could be the Indian. Just sayin...

sure but then he went on to say that with a particular load he was doing well so don't think it was plus

 

[JimmyT]

Could be the Indian. Just sayin...

I admit I’m not the best marks man… just showing potential…..you results may vary!

 

[Triple D]

I admit I’m not the best marks man… just showing potential…..you results may vary!

Yeah, that’s why I was curious if you fired any other groups of handloads. A single group doesn’t really tell too much, especially if you aren’t very confident in your ability as a marksman. If you shot other groups, I’d be interested in seeing those.

 

[Molon]

sure but then he went on to say that with a particular load he was doing well so don't think it was plus posted one cherry-picked, statistically insifnificant group.

 

[Monstershot]

Hey all,
Went to the range on Saturday with this new upper. Lower is a LaRue billet with MBT, and a Magpul UBR stock. Standard buffer/spring. I said I’d post results good or bad.

The results: mixed, not happy yet.
I’m hoping some of you more experienced gents can help me interpret some of this stuff.
I fired about 70 rounds (two types of ammo) and had one failure. Live around went ‘click’ in the chamber and was stuck. Removed it with a significant multi try pull with both hands on the charging handle, stock wedged in my shoulder. The 20 round Pmag I was using would no longer seat in the magwell after that. My other pmags had no issues, that was the only malfunction of the day.
I was shooting off a bipod with small rear bag using Nosler match grade 77 gr .223 HPBT. I was moving the dials on my Bushnell LRTSi 3-12 between 5 shot groups. I had a recent move and can’t find my calipers but these are LaRue grid targets. You can see that most groups are 1 - 1.5 moa or so. Anyone who wants to use fancy software to correct that estimate is welcome.
Brass is ejecting at 2 O’clock. I’m going to put in an H2 buffer to see if that helps.
I’m hoping to see the groups tighten with a few more rounds through the barrel. Match ammo is still scarce so I don’t have the luxury of finding something it ‘likes’ yet.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Hey all,
Went to the range on Saturday with this new upper. Lower is a LaRue billet with MBT, and a Magpul UBR stock. Standard buffer/spring. I said I’d post results good or bad.

The results: mixed, not happy yet.
I’m hoping some of you more experienced gents can help me interpret some of this stuff.
I fired about 70 rounds (two types of ammo) and had one failure. Live around went ‘click’ in the chamber and was stuck. Removed it with a significant multi try pull with both hands on the charging handle, stock wedged in my shoulder. The 20 round Pmag I was using would no longer seat in the magwell after that. My other pmags had no issues, that was the only malfunction of the day.
I was shooting off a bipod with small rear bag using Nosler match grade 77 gr .223 HPBT. I was moving the dials on my Bushnell LRTSi 3-12 between 5 shot groups. I had a recent move and can’t find my calipers but these are LaRue grid targets. You can see that most groups are 1 - 1.5 moa or so. Anyone who wants to use fancy software to correct that estimate is welcome.
Brass is ejecting at 2 O’clock. I’m going to put in an H2 buffer to see if that helps.
I’m hoping to see the groups tighten with a few more rounds through the barrel. Match ammo is still scarce so I don’t have the luxury of finding something it ‘likes’ yet.
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that is pretty bad, sorry as that is not what you want from a new purchase

 

[BCP]

I see potential in those groups you just need to figure out a type of ammunition or handload that it likes. Not sure how you do it but if I'm testing for group size I'll use a lead sled to eliminate the biggest variable (me).

 

[Molon]

I was shooting off a bipod with small rear bag using Nosler match grade 77 gr .223 HPBT. I was moving the dials on my Bushnell LRTSi 3-12 between 5 shot groups. I had a recent move and can’t find my calipers but these are LaRue grid targets. You can see that most groups are 1 - 1.5 moa or so. Anyone who wants to use fancy software to correct that estimate is welcome.

This is a 10-group of hand-loads fired from one of my precision AR-15s . . .

This is a 10-shot group of the factory loaded Nosler 77 grain OTM fired from one of my precision AR-15s . . .

These are your 5-shot groups with the Nosler 77 grain OTM . . .

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[houndog]

Monstershot - your groups look pretty similar to what I was getting from my 12.5" LaRue upper and 77gr. IMI Razorcore. Averaging about 1.25 MOA, which is not horrible - but also not great.

Also shot an older LaRue upper a couple of weeks ago and that was averaging about .75 MOA with same ammo. What I notice about both your groups and mine is that dispersion looks fairly even, rather than 4 shots in a cloverleaf and the fifth wide. This leads me to believe that at least some of it is the gun/barrel, rather than the shooter. Whereas when I get 4 shots together and one wide, my inclination is to blame myself, rather than the gun, particularly if I'm able to get a couple of very good groups. Of course, I could be completely wrong on this.

 

[BCP]

Monstershot - your groups look pretty similar to what I was getting from my 12.5" LaRue upper and 77gr. IMI Razorcore. Averaging about 1.25 MOA, which is not horrible - but also not great.

I'm a pretty firm believer that with handloads you can get almost all of them to MOA or better with the right bullet and powder choice. If you are beholden to factory ammunition that's when it can become disappointing especially right now when ammo is expensive and somewhat hard to find.

 

[JimmyT]

The good, bad, and ugly. I fired 8 5 round groups with 4 being my reloads and the rest being commercially available match ammo. FGMM 73 grain Berger, FGMM 77 grain SMK, IWI 69 grain razorcore, and Prime 75 grain HPBT. Might be able to get better when I increase the round count of the rifle.

 

[Shoots 700's]

I would say thats what to expect

 

[BCP]

If its a known good scope/mount and you shoot lots of AR15s then I'd send it back to larue with those targets.

 

[Molon]

Originally posted by JimmyT:

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My chrome-lined, NATO chambered, Bravo Company Enhanced Light Weight barrel that only weighs 1 pound, 5 ounces does better than that.

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[bigjake83]

Well I'm sure all the guys over on AR-15.com are all shooting Sub Half MOA with their uppers.

 

[Molon]

Well I'm sure all the guys over on AR-15.com are all shooting Sub Half MOA with their uppers.

But Bro, I saw a post on Instagram that said these rifles all "averaged just over 0.400 moa".

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[Shoots 700's]

its a rack grade gun, dont expect magical groups. Also, gas guns do shoot differently than a bolt gun.

 

[JimmyT]

If its a known good scope/mount and you shoot lots of AR15s then I'd send it back to larue with those targets.

I would like to get the round count above 300 before/if going that route. Worst case, re-barrel with a Noveske/Bartlein/Douglass 16” with CLE chamber and enjoy my “$600” upper….lol.

 

[BCP]

I would like to get the round count above 300 before/if going that route. Worst case, re-barrel with a Noveske/Bartlein/Douglass 16” with CLE chamber and enjoy my “$600” upper….lol.

I wouldn't waste any more ammo you are just sending dollar bills downrange. Either back to larue or yank the barrel off and sell it on arfcom for like 200 bucks.

 

[bfoosh006]

Well I'm sure all the guys over on AR-15.com are all shooting Sub Half MOA with their uppers.

Lol... Not yet.

No shooting results yet.

 

[JimmyT]

Lol... Not yet.

No shooting results yet.

And a bunch of fit/finish reviews on LaRue’s! Only one shooting review.

 

[JimmyT]

Originally posted by JimmyT:

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My chrome-lined, NATO chambered, Bravo Company Enhanced Light Weight barrel that only weighs 1 pound, 5 ounces does better than that.

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Molon, nothing but respect for you. I am amazed at your methodology about ammo repeatability and what you have shown you can do with your rifles and ammo. I’m a bit upset with my upper and want to eliminate the Indian before I blame the arrow. Heck, you might pick up my rifle and put me to shame.

 

[houndog]

JimmyT - maybe wait and see if things settle down a little after a couple of hundred rounds.

But yeah, with match ammo those groups are nothing to write home about. I'd expect even a cheap PSA/no name upper to produce similar results using match ammo.

 

[JimmyT]

JimmyT - maybe wait and see if things settle down a little after a couple of hundred rounds.

But yeah, with match ammo those groups are nothing to write home about. I'd expect even a cheap PSA/no name upper to produce similar results using match ammo.

Totally agree. I’ll power through some “buyers remorse” and get down to business.

 

[BCP]

Moron, nothing but respect for you.

Hahaha

 

[JimmyT]

spell check is killing me….

 

[sid]

i recieved mine, havent shot it yet.

the fitup between my radian lower is perfect, i have no other upper that fits any of my lowers better

 

[bfoosh006]

Got the e-mail today... it is waiting to be picked up by UPS for delivery to me.

Order # 9741-- for those waiting in cue.

 

[Eli17L]

I got my shipping confirmation today but Molon has tempered my excitement....

 

[BCP]

Molon has tempered my excitement....

lol who cares, enjoy your upper. I'd have bought one if they were 14.5" and pinned.