Rifle Scopes New Razor????

[Mormegil87]

Glad they updated it and more competition is a good thing.

That being said, it has none of the features I was hoping for. Unfortunately I'll have to pass.

 

[Rob01]

That being said, it has none of the features I was hoping for. Unfortunately I'll have to pass.

What were you hoping for?

 

[LibertyOptics]

What were you hoping for?

+1....I'd like to know too

 

[Rob01]

I am honestly curious as a 6-36x scope with 36 mils of travel, parallax to 10 yards, great reticle and glass pretty much checks a lot of boxes. If anyone was hoping this would be 25 ounces you were living in a dream world to begin with. LOL

 

[Mormegil87]

.25 mil reticle

Toolless zero

 

[Jrb572]

Are the turrets tooless rezero?

 

[Rob01]

.25 mil reticle? You mean instead of the .2?

What sub $3000 scopes have tooless knobs?

 

[DangerRanger]

Lht kinda does.

I guess depending on if adding the collar is considered a tool or not.

 

[CK1.0]

Are the turrets tool less rezero?

Doesn't look like it (watched the Europtic video).

But yeah, with the price increase, if I didn't already have a Gen2, I'd pony up the difference and go for the Gen3 for sure. Looks like a winner. I'll probably end up with one sooner or later.

 

[srt-4_uk]

What sub $3000 scopes have tooless knobs?

Meopta Optika6 has tool less elevation.It's an $800 scope.

 

[Chickentoast]

^Trijicon tenmile as well

 

[Rob01]

Meopta Optika6 has tool less elevation.It's an $800 scope.
Weaver Super Slam (Nitrex TR2)

Was talking more of a comparable scope in specs but guess they would count. Don;t think someone would take them over a Gen III though. LOL

 

[DangerRanger]

Does this scope have Japanese ED glass like the Ep5?

 

[Rob01]

Ok I see we will be dying on the tooless knobs hill. LOL Ok guys you win. New scope sucks because it doesn't have tooless knobs. LOL

 

[Jrb572]

Ok I see we will be dying on the tooless knobs hill. LOL Ok guys you win. New scope sucks because it doesn't have tooless knobs. LOL

I never said that I just asked if it had them

 

[BLKWLFK9]

I think its going to be a hit and sell a ton. Well done, Vortex. I just wish it wasn't shitty dick brown again. Black goes with everything.

 

[Rob01]

I never said that I just asked if it had them

Wasn't towards your post. No problem asking.

 

[newguy2k3v2]

My biggest question about it is how well does it cut through mirage compared to the rest of the field

 

[Mormegil87]

.25 mil reticle? You mean instead of the .2?

What sub $3000 scopes have tooless knobs?

Yes. PR2 reticle is my favorite reticle far and away.

None. But it's a feature that may have gotten me to switch to a G3 from Leupold. Leupold mk5 has 1 out of 2 features. G3 has none. I have no brand loyalty, it either has as many as possible or it doesn't.

 

[Winny94]

How many of yall actually use/would use a tooless knob? Im struggling to find a realistic use case, but maybe im missing out.

 

[Rob01]

Yes. PR2 reticle is my favorite reticle far and away.

None. But it's a feature that may have gotten me to switch to a G3 from Leupold. Leupold mk5 has 1 out of 2 features. G3 has none. I have no brand loyalty, it either has as many as possible or it doesn't.

Hmm I would hate .25 mils as every bit of data is in .1 mil and it would be more of a brain screw to have to think "oh those are .25. I hate that on the Arken too. Guess everyone has their favorites.

Your money and choice. Was just wondering.

 

[Jrb572]

How many of yall actually use/would use a tooless knob? Im struggling to find a realistic use case, but maybe im missing out.

I would use it because it would go on my AXMC. It’s not a deal breaker for me. But I switch barrels often on it.

 

[Eric32]

How many of yall actually use/would use a tooless knob? Im struggling to find a realistic use case, but maybe im missing out.

I guess for multi cal rifles would be the way to go. But you could also input that into a kestrel off set.

 

[newguy2k3v2]

How many of yall actually use/would use a tooless knob? Im struggling to find a realistic use case, but maybe im missing out.

It’s really nice if you’ve got a gun that can switch barrels easily and you actually do swap them. Mrad, desert tech, axmc, asr, all the newer AI’s really. I worry about creating a divot with set screws when switching back and forth between zeros. I’ve got a Revic on my srs now and the tooless zero system is very handy.

 

[Rob01]

Or just use the simple one screw tool. LOL

 

[koshkin]

Cat's finally out of the bag, so here they are fellas - should have some to ship out any day!

RAZOR GEN III 6-36x56 MOA

RAZOR GEN III 6-36x56 MRAD

I have been shooting it for a bit - I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you get behind one

My biggest question about it is how well does it cut through mirage compared to the rest of the field

I won't know until it warms up enough here to have significant mirage. I do get a little bit here during the day and it looks to be doing quite well with weird air, but the real confirmation will come toward summer.

ILya

 

[koshkin]

It’s really nice if you’ve got a gun that can switch barrels easily and you actually do swap them. Mrad, desert tech, axmc, asr, all the newer AI’s really. I worry about creating a divot with set screws when switching back and forth between zeros. I’ve got a Revic on my srs now and the tooless zero system is very handy.

The way this turret works, there is no way t create a divot. There is a single screw you need to tighten slightly after zeroing and it is not digging into the stem or anything like that. It is a rather new design that has an internal clamp of sorts. That is what the screw is tightening.

ILya

 

[Jrb572]

The way this turret works, there is no way t create a divot. There is a single screw you need to tighten slightly after zeroing and it is not digging into the stem or anything like that. It is a rather new design that has an internal clamp of sorts. That is what the screw is tightening.

ILya

Thank you for the explanation. I like how that seems to work.

I’ll have to watch the videos on it when I’m home later

 

[newguy2k3v2]

The way this turret works, there is no way t create a divot. There is a single screw you need to tighten slightly after zeroing and it is not digging into the stem or anything like that. It is a rather new design that has an internal clamp of sorts. That is what the screw is tightening.

ILya

Very good to know! Thank you

 

[R_Swanson]

IMO, so far, the biggest news is our Gen2's are now worth $500 more than they were yesterday.

MSRP looks the same, did MAP increase?

Cost =/= worth

 

[koshkin]

Thank you for the explanation. I like how that seems to work.

I’ll have to watch the videos on it when I’m home later

It is an intelligent way of making a turret. With the internal/external turret design, it is an evolution of their original L-tec idea, but the internal clamp is a very useful improvement.

ILya

 

[Safety_3rd]

Yeah, I saw that after the fact. Already nicer than the ATACR because the whole ocular doesn't rotate

I HATE that about the atacr...

 

[Smokin7s]

Quick release to pull the turret off mid stage?

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve wanted that

 

[jb1000br]

Are the turrets tooless rezero?

Next best thing to tooless....tool provided...1 screw...ability to zero between clicks - for sure one of the best turret designs out there:

 

[Jrb572]

Next best thing to tooless....tool provided...1 screw...ability to zero between clicks - for sure one of the best turret designs out there:

Thank you for the video

 

[Abbotm2]

My biggest question about it is how well does it cut through mirage compared to the rest of the field

I believe that would depth of field. Allowing more detail to be seen, therefore, differentiating between the mirage and what's behind it.

 

[Smokin7s]

Ok I see we will be dying on the tooless knobs hill. LOL Ok guys you win. New scope sucks because it doesn't have tooless knobs. LOL

Tooless is cool in theory but are you ever really in a situation where you’re zeroing but don’t have time to grab an Allen wrench from your pack? I would like to have it but imo definitely not a deal breaker.

 

[CSTactical]

We are definitely a fan...

 

[jb1000br]

put the provided turret tool on on of these and figure out how to attach it to your kit then you can't lose it

 

[5RWill]

Great looking optic honestly. Parallax adjustment is going to sell a ton in that regard alone. I hope it gets a 3.5-21x50 little brother. Less I'm missing the trend to 35x/36x optics and the mid range magnification and FOV on the design is just absolutely leaps and bounds above the competing 5x erector designs, I'm just not sure when or where I'd use the rest of the mag range. Though it's never an issue to have it and not need it I suppose.

 

[Chickentoast]

Ok I see we will be dying on the tooless knobs hill. LOL Ok guys you win. New scope sucks because it doesn't have tooless knobs. LOL

No, just asking simple questions about the value proposition, and are met with either misdirection or sarcastic beratement... look over there, look how pretty it is, or, you're a Cretan for not recognizing the awesomeness.

I do not care about tooless knobs, but someone asked, and it is a fact that the Tenmile has them. I care about IQ, FOV and price, and my comments and questions are only about trying to get a handle on that.

 

[Rob01]

No, just asking simple questions about the value proposition, and are met with either misdirection or sarcastic beratement... look over there, look how pretty it is, or, you're a Cretan for not recognizing the awesomeness.

I do not care about tooless knobs, but someone asked, and it is a fact that the Tenmile has them. I care about IQ, FOV and price, and my comments and questions are only about trying to get a handle on that.

Lol not a Cretan at all but this scope comes out with a lot of great features many ask for and want and huge power range and it seems to boil down to tooless knobs. A feature used by some but rarely used by most. It’s got one screw and a simple design. Close but not tooless unfortunately for some.

 

[Rob01]

Great looking optic honestly. Parallax adjustment is going to sell a ton in that regard alone. I hope it gets a 3.5-21x50 little brother. Less I'm missing the trend to 35x/36x optics and the mid range magnification and FOV on the design is just absolutely leaps and bounds above the competing 5x erector designs, I'm just not sure when or where I'd use the rest of the mag range. Though it's never an issue to have it and not need it I suppose.

The have it and not need it is nice but this scope is going to be a killer .22 scope with the parallax and elevation available and in that game having more power helps at times. It can help in centerfire too at times and good to have it and not need it than vise versa as you mentioned.

 

[5RWill]

Another video

The have it and not need it is nice but this scope is going to be a killer .22 scope with the parallax and elevation available and in that game having more power helps at times. It can help in centerfire too at times and good to have it and not need it than vise versa as you mentioned.

Agreed, the 22lr game is going to eat it up. I haven't jumped into that yet. I'm not shooting like I used to, if I can ever get out of school I plan to start again regularly. I still feel like I'd prefer a 223 trainer to a 22lr simply for the similarities in dope and wind holds comparable to 6mm but I can certainly see how economical it is to run a 22lr. I want to get behind one either way, see what I'm missing, if it's offering tier 1 glass, which I suspect it will when you consider how long it's been since Vortex has fielded a flagship high power optic it's going to sell very very well.

 

[lead ƒarmer]

Tooless is cool in theory but are you ever really in a situation where you’re zeroing but don’t have time to grab an Allen wrench from your pack? I would like to have it but imo definitely not a deal breaker.

Yes, frequently. More than once I've hit the range and don't have the tools with me that I thought I did. OR being at a match to discover zero is off a little bit. I LOVE this feature on my Leica scope and my Kahles (not tooless - but the tool is hidden in the illumination cap) Its just nice to be able to adjust turrets without needing tools/extra stuff. BUT this gen 3 definitely looks good. If I was in the market for something with this high of mag I would probably buy it. But I rarely go into the 20x range so I'll just stick with the typical 5-25 stuff.

 

[Mormegil87]

Hmm I would hate .25 mils as every bit of data is in .1 mil and it would be more of a brain screw to have to think "oh those are .25. I hate that on the Arken too. Guess everyone has their favorites.

Your money and choice. Was just wondering.

Don't get me wrong, if I was short an optic or was new, it'd probably look at this closely. But I'm not in either of those categories.

I'm actually at the point of wanting 0.5s in the reticle vs 0.2s. Too easy to get lost on 0.2s on 75s and 90s stages. I was worried about 0.25mils in the reticle but it has turned out to be a very nice compromise.

 

[beetroot]

Tooless is cool in theory but are you ever really in a situation where you’re zeroing but don’t have time to grab an Allen wrench from your pack? I would like to have it but imo definitely not a deal breaker.

Yes....
As others have said works great on switch barrel rifles or if you play musical scopes, which I do both of.

Not a deal breaker but is definitely a great feature.

 

[Krazy_jim]

Yes, frequently. More than once I've hit the range and don't have the tools with me that I thought I did. OR being at a match to discover zero is off a little bit. I LOVE this feature on my Leica scope and my Kahles (not tooless - but the tool is hidden in the illumination cap) Its just nice to be able to adjust turrets without needing tools/extra stuff. BUT this gen 3 definitely looks good. If I was in the market for something with this high of mag I would probably buy it. But I rarely go into the 20x range so I'll just stick with the typical 5-25 stuff.

You don’t have a set pack for the range? Separate set of tools for the range bag?

 

[BoilerUP]

They're listed (but out of stock) on ExpertVoice.

 

[rothgyr]

.25 mil reticle? You mean instead of the .2?

What sub $3000 scopes have tooless knobs?

Leica PRS

Maven RS.4

Delta Stryker, I think.

It's almost a standard LOW package by now. Not a big deal for me though. Cool feature, but if done wrong... Never forget the USO B-Series.